Anchoring on weed over sand

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scruzin
scruzin
SA
562 posts
SA, 562 posts
3 Nov 2012 12:22pm
This article (www.sail-world.com/cruising/usa/Weedy-seabed-could-have-caused-boat-disaster/93636) makes one wary of anchoring over weed.

I too have experienced cases where I held fine over weed on sand for a couple of days, then suddenly lost grip. Obviously changing wind/swell conditions contributed, but I'm wondering if my anchoring technique or type of anchor also need improvement. I have a plow anchor, which is supposed to be good in weed and sand, which is typically what I encounter.

Short of diving down each and every time and visually inspecting one's anchor, what else would help (apart from finding another more protected spot)?



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scruzin
scruzin
SA
562 posts
SA, 562 posts
3 Nov 2012 5:55pm
I think I need an anchor that can cope better with changes in wind direction. Fishermans and plows (ploughs) don't seem to re-grab well from what I've read.

How are you finding the Manson Supreme? It looks like a very nice anchor...
southace
southace
SA
4798 posts
SA, 4798 posts
3 Nov 2012 7:04pm
scruzin said...
I think I need an anchor that can cope better with changes in wind direction. Fishermans and plows (ploughs) don't seem to re-grab well from what I've read.

How are you finding the Manson Supreme? It looks like a very nice anchor...


It's bullet proof but i doubt it will pull out off bommies and rocks had some trouble finding sand in a few places along the outer Great Barrier Reef.

But really the best is the S.A made marsh anchor I posted the link before. That will hold in the sand,weed,mud etc even when the tide changes. The fisherman and locals in South oz recommend them highly and I used mine all around tassie and up until central Qld. I cried when I lost mine due to gear failure.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7754 posts
NSW, 7754 posts
3 Nov 2012 8:02pm
Nice picture, I'm guessing Adelaide.

Best anchor for holding and resetting would be a Spade, unfortunately not sold here. Ultra's are but very expensive. Modern anchors like Spades, Ultra's , Rocna's, Manson's are far superior to CQRs [plough]. The secret is sharp leading edges and a weighted tip in the case of the Spade. The geometry is much the same.
I use a copy of the Spade I fabricated out of stainless steel. I even have a small one on my catamaran yacht tender.
Ribbon weed in SA is no problem with a modern anchor and enough chain.
southace
southace
SA
4798 posts
SA, 4798 posts
3 Nov 2012 9:47pm
Yes I would say down south of glenelg maybe just near Brighton looking towards seacliff maybe.
scruzin
scruzin
SA
562 posts
SA, 562 posts
4 Nov 2012 1:05am
Yes, I'm anchored about 1km north of the Brighton Jetty.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7754 posts
NSW, 7754 posts
4 Nov 2012 8:49am
There are plenty of articles and videos available on anchoring. This is one of the better.

www.alberg37.org/Project%20DB/2006AnchorTest/2006%20IndependentAnchorTest.pdf

There are also patterns and dimensions for making "wooden" mock ups of the best anchors to ensure they fit your yacht!

Ultra's are available in Australia but are a little past the expensive side.
http://www.ultraanchors.com/ultra_anchors.html


Remember, modern anchors are the most common item stolen off boats!
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
4 Nov 2012 12:33pm
Thanks for that article Ramona. It is really quite excellent.

The Rocna and the Manson Supreme seem to have the best overall performance and though not cheap are reasonably priced.

Was on a friend's Bristol 40 on which he fitted a 35 lb Manson Supreme. He was at the bow setting the anchor in Pancake Creek and I was at the throttle.

When he had locked the chain off I was to give it a good squirt in astern. The anchor set instantly with the slack out of the chain and I nearly fell backwards with the sudden stop. I was surprised the chain did not break or rip the cleat out.

A 3 or 4 metre snotter would be better when doing that.
southace
southace
SA
4798 posts
SA, 4798 posts
4 Nov 2012 1:44pm
The only problem with the Manson I find is the flat plate which the main body is constructed. It creates two problems. One it seams to wear out nylon anchor rollers on the bow. The other is when it reaches the roller it tends to jam before the final retrieval over the roller. The good thing about the old marsh anchor was that the main body was made from solid shaft and there was no up and down position for the anchor so I could retrieve the anchor from the cockpit and never have to go forward to help it over the rollers.

In all my years of sailing and cruising I have never set the anchor with reverse gear, I have only dragged once or twice in 45knts due to a undersized CQR imitation which was my spare after loosing my primary. The only time I may go astern is if I was in a hurry to get ashore for some reason..
I prefer to lay the chain out on the sea floor and then let the boat weight,wind and tide slowly dig the pick in. I have seen boaties ploughing up the sea floor using the reverse method often finding them selfs not in the position they intended to be in the first place.
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2707 posts
NSW, 2707 posts
4 Nov 2012 2:19pm
A good article.
Anchors are always good talking points amongst sailors. I carry a 30lb CQR and a 30lb Manson with the CQR my main anchor. The CQR is on 20 metres of chain and 100 metres of nylon, the Manson on 12 metres of chain and 100 metres of polyprop.
I have used the CQR in strong and gusty winds off Balmoral Beach in sand and it has held very well indeed. There wasn't much wave action but we were trying to set a stubborn main and were veering wildly. I have also used a CQR in weedy sand and it dragged fair way before setting.
I think with all anchors it best to avoid anchoring on a lee shore.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
4 Nov 2012 10:53pm
MorningBird said...
I think with all anchors it best to avoid anchoring on a lee shore.


Well that is an understatement of the obvious for most of us here John, but thanks for mentioning it.

I'll keep it in mind for when I eventually unlock myself from land.

I envy you your forthcoming voyage to Lord Howe Island. Cheers.

cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
4 Nov 2012 11:08pm
southace said...
In all my years of sailing and cruising I have never set the anchor with reverse gear,

The only time I may go astern is if I was in a hurry to get ashore for some reason..

Yeah, like cold beer or hot women or both ashore.


I use reversing engine gently only to straighten the chain out and get a set on the anchor. Also to get an idea of the holding. The above example I quoted was on orders from the owner of the vessel.

I have sailed to anchorages and moorings when I was younger, sharper and fitter than I am now.

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