bazl said...
Eligibility. This is an ALSA event and for insurance reasons membership is required of one of the ALSA affiliated Clubs, ie Adelaide Land Yacht Club, Lake Lefroy Land Sailing Club or Sandgropers. Contact a Club Secretary for appropriate membership options.

Its good to see that Lake Lefroy Land Sailing Club is back with ALSA,
and I will assume that blokarts & blokarters will be welcome. (this time)

Will Blokarts be allowed?

perhaps its a great opportunity for PBC and sandgropers to sit down and come up with a workable solution.(serious reply)
(less serious reply) maybe there could be a rule where any minis built by me be required to have both thier rear tyre pressures reduced to 10psi.
In one race I sailed 2 laps with only 1 flat tyre and you guys still couldnt catch me

landyacht said...

perhaps its a great opportunity for PBC and sandgropers to sit down and come up with a workable solution.(serious reply)

Its not just PBC and Sandgropers. This is a national event run under the auspices of ALSA. Bear in mind this will be the first time for many years that mini yachts have been involved in national competition and that can only be a good thing; onward and upward comes to mind. If there is an issue it needs to be dealt with at National level with consideration to due process, although this is groundbreaking stuff and probably won't get sorted right the first time. PBC members are ALSA members by virtue of their Sandgropers membership (at least until the AGM in a few weeks time) and have the right to raise any concerns through the appropriate channels if they so choose. Maybe we should consider calling them Sandgropers Blokart Division to save confusion.

Personally I believe the photo above says it all showing the disadvantages (ie sit up attitude and smaller wheels) which are inherent design qualities of blokart. Nothing in the ALSA rules says you can't modify a blokart to a potentially more competitive level, and this may have already been researched by the manufacturer. Bear in mind also that said manufacturer probably never intended for blokart to be pitched against any other form of mini yacht in a racing sense, the intent is for fun. Isn't that what we are all about?

Hmmm... original post edited - apologies for any confusion , and thanks for the info posted below.

Hey Barry there is a caravan park on Dixon Road that would be closer - sorry not sure of the name.

Any news to say if camping is allowed at the lake?

Why cant there be mini races (for mini+Blokart) and dedicated Blokart races? As has been said a Blokart is a miniyacht , but a Lefroy mini(eg) is not a Blokart. Maybe this can't happen for 2010 but afterwards....

port said...

lachlan3556 said...

Why cant there be mini races (for mini+Blokart) and dedicated Blokart races? As has been said a Blokart is a miniyacht , but a Lefroy mini(eg) is not a Blokart. Maybe this can't happen for 2010 but afterwards....

If there is enough minis give them there own start and if there is enough Blokarts give them their own start.
IMHO i will not race in the handicap thing against other minis thats why i choose to race a Blokart.Make the event to include these and you will get a lot more entries.

with three days and you will be lucky if there is sailing on half of the first day then there will be about the same on last day ,so with class 5,minis plus blowkarts there wont be to many race to find a national champ,then yoy have to find people to do all the work and as it is a long weekend .

niaychi said...

port said...

lachlan3556 said...

Why cant there be mini races (for mini+Blokart) and dedicated Blokart races? As has been said a Blokart is a miniyacht , but a Lefroy mini(eg) is not a Blokart. Maybe this can't happen for 2010 but afterwards....

If there is enough minis give them there own start and if there is enough Blokarts give them their own start.
IMHO i will not race in the handicap thing against other minis thats why i choose to race a Blokart.Make the event to include these and you will get a lot more entries.

with three days and you will be lucky if there is sailing on half of the first day then there will be about the same on last day ,so with class 5,minis plus blowkarts there wont be to many race to find a national champ,then yoy have to find people to do all the work and as it is a long weekend .

Maybe a little association-association cooperation (ALSA and Blokart assn) would help the situation, the Blokarts seem to have an efficient racing system and one would hope they would like to race at a national landsailing event with other classes.

Do different classes get sailed at the same time at present (even if on different circuit layouts)?

the circuit and wind strength at that time of year fit the racing program quite well. the gravelly surface makes a Blokart type dial up quite difficult , certainly too dangerous for class 5's
increasingly we are racing in 2 classes each ,5 and mini
with a program of 3 races cl5, then 3 of mini , a pilot can get in 6 races per class per day, and thats on a day when the breeze doesnt kick in till 11.30 or 12.
add a nice little marathon on the next day and you will be stuffed.

on a personal note
Im stuffed if i know why the blowies are so scared of racing with minis. given all the speed gear they have on tap there must be a few keen sailors who want to get out on a slippery , technical course and rip around for a few days.
maybe its because we arn't racing at a crumbling exotic resort

landyacht said...

the circuit and wind strength at that time of year fit the racing program quite well. the gravelly surface makes a Blokart type dial up quite difficult , certainly too dangerous for class 5's
increasingly we are racing in 2 classes each ,5 and mini
with a program of 3 races cl5, then 3 of mini , a pilot can get in 6 races per class per day, and thats on a day when the breeze doesnt kick in till 11.30 or 12.
add a nice little marathon on the next day and you will be stuffed.

on a personal note
Im stuffed if i know why the blowies are so scared of racing with minis. given all the speed gear they have on tap there must be a few keen sailors who want to get out on a slippery , technical course and rip around for a few days.
maybe its because we arn't racing at a crumbling exotic resort

Come on landyacht you state that the surface is difficult to set up a blokart and certainly too dangerous for class 5 ,well well what about your minis if that is the case nobody should be racing for safety reasons

Sorry i didnt realize i was lining up to get bagged.
I thought I was clear on how many days races. last event ( WA champs) we had 2, and a nice marathon to boot. Perhaps they have more planned. Give yourself a day beforehand to practice and socialize, and a day after to hit the beach, or fish and youve got yourself a grand adventure
I was sure I said that i didnt feel that the surface suited a Blokart style dial up start, as opposed to a blokart .
Being mid summer near the WA west coast the mornig wind is a messy gusty easterly, which is best waited out patiently, as it will be replaced by a good steady SW seabreeze by lunchtime.
The Sandgropers have learnt how to maximize the effective racing time from this delightful occurance, so how about slapping on a carbon mast and giving it a go, The lake theres a great challenge and it would be great to have a few more experienced landsailors to chase. Im certainly looking forward to seeing how Vics " baby beast" performs on the day.
i suspect the performance difference between the blowies and the minis has been exagerated by my 30 years landsailing experience, the rest of the fleet having probably 30 years between the lot. only one way to find out
look forward to getting there, started the new mini 2 days ago.
does anybody need any cold drawn tube bringing down , Ive already put some aside for Graeme

landyacht said...

the circuit and wind strength at that time of year fit the racing program quite well. the gravelly surface makes a Blokart type dial up quite difficult , certainly too dangerous for class 5's
increasingly we are racing in 2 classes each ,5 and mini
with a program of 3 races cl5, then 3 of mini , a pilot can get in 6 races per class per day, and thats on a day when the breeze doesnt kick in till 11.30 or 12.
add a nice little marathon on the next day and you will be stuffed.

on a personal note
Im stuffed if i know why the blowies are so scared of racing with minis. given all the speed gear they have on tap there must be a few keen sailors who want to get out on a slippery , technical course and rip around for a few days.
maybe its because we arn't racing at a crumbling exotic resort

certainly too dangerous for class 5,question why what is the reason for this comment or just blowing in the wind

hills said...

I beleive he's saying its too dangerous for class 5 to do a blokart syle dial up start.

I assume that's a rolling start, is that correct?

you would have to be joking,as you claim to be a class 5 sailor i would assume that you would know the rules ,class 5 is is standing start only no rolling start