ChrisClarke said...

I suppose people would probably prefer that the Fisly Mini Yacht specification doesn't turn into an arms race pushing costs through the roof........................but I can't help wondering what might be possible within this loose definition.

For example, you could go super-aerodynamic with none of the restrictions on fairing present in other classes. (Yes) Or, given the relatively narrow width, do you need a conventional chassis at all? (No) Could the hull be a full-width monocoque with the wheels mounted directly on the sides? (Yes or even underneath) Could you gain more stability and speed by making two seats side by side and shuffling your bum from one to the other on different tacks? (Possibly)etc. etc. etc.

As explained in my other thread I have basically zero practical landyachting experience (which will probably be obvious from the above!) but seem to be addicted after one quick spin in a Manta and have been browsing this forum for technical gems ever since. Thanks everyone for building such a great resource.

Nikrum said...

Cisco,
You are right Rools is rools, sure and I don't think anyone is trying to undermine SAID Rools. Anyway Rools is meant to control Competition and ensure Fair Play.
That is where Race martial's and inspectors enter the Game. It seems to me that we are talking about trying to take the LLM to the Extreme/as far as they can be taken. I would suggest that this discussion and any experimentation is a "Bl*&@y Good thing and would encourage those interested to go further with their sport. Are there any Rules that say I can't own a couple or 100 LY's? Keep the whole thing in perspective Are there any reasons we can't have a LLSM Class (Super Mini)?. Surely most venues, especially over in the Western Half, that are able to Run more than 1 race at a time. There are Short Course Races, Long Distances Races, Out and Out Races, Purely to achieve absolute Maximum Speed, Competition for Most efficient Land Yacht Design. Shoot! I could keep this up all day. CONTROL That which races in a specific class; YES! But never try to control that which people try to achieve. More and more I am inclined to dodge Club life and think towards just sailing on my ownsome away from control freaks. FUN FUN FUN Learn that the UTMOST important rule is for all Sailors to ENJOY Their Sport. Anyway Just as a Point, a Novice has no business in being put up against a Landyacht, a TP1, And others of that experience. It is their right to Challenge the more experienced Pilot to a race but a NO CONTEST the other way about.

WHAT is a FISLEY?? It ain't the Be All and End All of Classifications! Just another way to regulate People, along with Christianity, Islam etc People need to be regulated, sure. Do they need regulating out of existence. Look what over regulation and Blind Faith along with Fanaticism bought "The Knights of the Temple" (There own destruction).
Ron

Nikrum said...
WHAT is a FISLEY?? It ain't the Be All and End All of Classifications! Just another way to regulate People, along with Christianity, Islam etc People need to be regulated, sure. Do they need regulating out of existence. Look what over regulation and Blind Faith along with Fanaticism bought "The Knights of the Temple" (There own destruction).
Ron

Gizmo said...

I think people are missing the point of why the Mini class was introduced....

The reason for Mini Class is the perfect introduction to land sailing, where as Class 5 is regarded as the "International Race Class”
Mini Yachts are a class to encourage newcomers to the sport and ideal for women and children.
The yacht that is simple to build with no restrictions on construction materials or methods,
looks good and can be sailed in shopping centre car parks with lots of public exposure which in turn feeds the Class 5 with competitive sailors.

How would you feel if you were a newcomer and built or purchased a class spec Mini only to find some other person blatantly ignored the rules and beats you in a race you would be rightfully P### off.
Or even perhaps someone who has invested considerable time, effort and $$$ to manufacture yachts commercially.
The Mini rules are NOT hard to understand for goodness sake......

If you want to build a mini yacht in different configurations than the class allows, that's fine do it but DO NOT call it a Mini class.
If you use 20"wheels, wing masts etc ..... it is NOT a Mini class yacht !!!! Simple...

Just like a Class5 built with carbon fibre tubes or a 6m sail..... is NOT a class5....

If someone wanted to push FISLY for changes to a class wouldn't it be better to change Promo5 to Carbon / Glass fibre mast.

Gizmo said...

How would you feel ....doh!...FAT!!! ...... If that's a problem go on a diet!!!! Or get a bigger sail, there is NO restriction on sail size is there? Reality is there are strong wind days and light wind days... can't change that.
But at least you are all working under the same set of class rules.