RAL INN said..

Kamikuza said...
One single red thumb each,moor the last three posts

Mass is a factor in overcoming inertia, but it's just not that simple...

Simply put but maybe we need moor

Urgh, the autocorrect gets screwed up on this site sonething chronic.

Askma science teacher, I have no idea where to start. Points of equilibrium maybe...

This pretty much explains why you don't see many if any manufacturers producing race or speed Alloy foils. Just Freeride.

And while freeride Foiling may have it's moments of trying for a 30kt run. It is more about Free riding and having fun, having a go in the waves.
going for some air time etc.

a Good Alloy foil allows that, and allows a lot more kiters to be able to afford to do that.
I have been mulling over which of the Notus Air hydrofoil dedicated kites I want to get for myself. The 8m or 12m.
after my last session it looks like the 8m will be plenty as around here wind is either 11-12kts + or 5kts and variable(crap)
so i get overpowered on foil on 8m then it's onto something else.
If I want speed I'll get the speed board out and windsurf.
maybe I'm the only one that thinks buying a foil and board or foil and kite for my style of foiling(ugly) is way better than just using that money to get a foil that I can race, but probably won't(I also shudder at having to read a racing rulebook again. and buy a racing foilboard, and god knows how many Diablos).

I have a Zeeko Alloy foil and pocket board..
very happy, high attention to detail and quality and the dedicated board is very light ( the whole package is not too heavy).
It is also very photogenic, unlike me :)

less than the turbo I now need in my BT50

Fly on da wall said...

Pauloz said...
I have a Zeeko Alloy foil and pocket board..
very happy, high attention to detail and quality and the dedicated board is very light ( the whole package is not too heavy).
It is also very photogenic, unlike me :)

What do they cost?

Just from info earlier in this thread but the cost would be pretty much half that of something twice as expensive but 3 times the price of something one third the cost

Gorgo said..


I have no interest in spending $2800 on just a foil. As a complete beginner I could not demo anything because I had no skills. My skills have developed to a point where I could demo a foil and make some sensible decisions but demo gear is not readily available. When I upgrade I don't want to be people's reject foils.

When I buy a new foil kit I want a quality product that can be broken down and set up quickly and easily.

I agree. Who cares if the carbon foils are way better. I would say the same thing about my carbon mountain bike. Its waaaaaaaay better than a cheap aluminium bike. But should a beginner punt $10k on a push bike? NO! I'm in the same boat as Gorgo. Want a cheap ****ter to start with. Then buy/build a better one if i get really addicted.

PS I'll wait for the ****ty $1450 until to come on the second hand market for $700 in a couple of years time. When I see foils around that price then ill be cooking with gas!

Maybe. Maybe not.

Hey RAL IIN,
have you had any water time on the on the zeeko Carbon?

Have to say no to trying the carbon. Just the alloy and at my level I probably couldn't tell the difference enough to give an opinion. Although Nico has given a good comparison that has been quoted elsewhere.
And those prices justinstuart has mentioned are about spot on for our delivered prices.

justinstuart said...
I'm getting really pulled into the foiling hype and thinking to commit in the next day or two!! The Zeeko white and blue looks and by all acounts sounds awesome! I reckon combine it with the Shinn "EL Stubbo" to have a light, super strong foil board, that apparently will work really nice off the foil for waves, flat water strapless and lightwind!! I'm over in Europe at moment and the zeeko is about €900/$1400, the full kit something around €1847/$2800.

The shinnster foil is another option,
Unsure here of pricing

cauncy said..

justinstuart said...
I'm getting really pulled into the foiling hype and thinking to commit in the next day or two!! The Zeeko white and blue looks and by all acounts sounds awesome! I reckon combine it with the Shinn "EL Stubbo" to have a light, super strong foil board, that apparently will work really nice off the foil for waves, flat water strapless and lightwind!! I'm over in Europe at moment and the zeeko is about €900/$1400, the full kit something around €1847/$2800.

The shinnster foil is another option,
Unsure here of pricing

$2698 for stubbo complete with foil pack and foil www.kitepower.com.au/collections/kitesurfing/products/shinn-el-stubbo-complete-135x50cm?variant=22549041540

$2548 for shinnster with same setup www.kitepower.com.au/shinnster-2016.html

Should have our shipment very soon :) Unfortunate that our season is well and truly over though.

HI, I´m way over on other side of the world in N Europe and just ordered a foil. Did a lot of shopping, reading and comparing.
Probably not relevant to you guys over there but this is what i found out shopping over here.

In europe, you can get the Zeeko with the Shinn set up or the Zeeko board for about 1400-1500 Euro.
Then there are a bunch of French, Italian, Euro companies - Moses, Levitaz, Sroka, Alpine, Spotz, Ketos etc.
here is a good list: kitehydrofoil.com/equipment.html

Most carbon foils are going for 1500 -1900 euros , then you have to add a board.

I finally settled on a Moses Fluente in full carbon with interchangeble wings and a T40 glass foil board. Got it with bag and shipping for 1600 euros. Hope to get it next week or so. the kit weighs much less than a aluminum set-up and there are already higher performance wings available at 250-350 euros from Moses.

One thing i was worried about is the galvanic reaction between stainless and aluminum and know from my windsurfing days that the hardware can totally seize. Some manufacturers are saying you have to dismantle and apply teflon regularly....i can imagine that it´s really serious problem in salty waters.

I have not ever ridden a foil so i dont know ****e about it but read the few review and corresponded with Frank Rosin at Famous Frank - he sells Moses, Levitaz and Zeeko-

The new Zeeko board add fins straps or foil it takes them all.

Brohan said..
If you go for a Zeeko buy from the Zeeko guys overseas, works out cheaper to ship it over then what the people sell them here for. Pretty sure they just put an order through them anyway and get it sent to your house. Mine took around 4-5 days to come from France.

OR!

Talk to those people here who sell them, maybe they can sharpen their pencil a little..

From my calculations, the white/blue edition alloy foil sells for 749EUR ex VAT which converts to approx $1280AUD including GST, not sure if they charge freight or not but this is only $170 less than they sell for here but you get local service, support and warranty plus a little discount if you ask nicely

We will have some stock here soon, so will only be 1-2 working days for delivery to most places.

Kamikuza said..

KPSS Used said..


OR!

Talk to those people here who sell them, maybe they can sharpen their pencil a little..

These are the same guys who state how tough it is to make a living in the biz...? Are you suggesting we go out haggle the price down, cutting into their already slim margins, or are you saying that the gear is marked up too much?

It certainly isn't easy, margin is what keeps our doors open 7days. However it's no use if people are going overseas to purchase, if you think the price is too high let us know. As the old saying goes "There's no harm in asking"

I think once you factor in the lower exchange rate your credit card gives you, shipping (if applicable) and GST (over $1000 for the time being) and duty (5% on most products) there is very little saving to be made when local delivery, service and warranty is taken into account.
I understand things may be very different for you over in Japan though.