Looking good! So how much is "half the cost" here in Oz? :-)

Just a straight up price please, no BS.

Delivery is another story.

Not being a seabreeze sponsor it's uncool for me to give prices here.
But they are on our Facebook page at
3Inlets Windsports
Or pm me

As a rule I know nothing about facebook but managed to get on to the page, buggered if I can find pricing without having to waste 10 minutes of my life scrolling and reading through all the posts.

thefacts said..
As a rule I know nothing about facebook but managed to get on to the page, buggered if I can find pricing without having to waste 10 minutes of my life scrolling and reading through all the posts.

Same here - not interested in Facebook, but had a look and can't really see anything worthwhile about the product or price.

Nah, just get an actual website for your business - heaps of options to do that very cheaply and have clearly labeled menus. It would be more convenient for prospective customers and a more professional look than facebook page by itself. Keep the facebook and link them to each other though. My 2c.

I have been going to set up a website for a while now. Each time I sit at computer to start the stupid wind blows.

good to start off with but once you ridden a carbon foil you will never go back

INTHELOOP said..
good to start off with but once you ridden a carbon foil you will never go back

Hey Marv I've ridden both but the carbon one were high aspect race setup while the alloy were low aspect freeride so apple to oranges.
But real question: if I had the exact same designs of mast and wings, but one made of carbon while the other of aluminium, what sort of noticeable difference (apart from the weight) could I expect to feel when riding?

Think back to senior school.... lets science the S#it out of this

;Like a moving car, the heavier the car and the faster its going the harder it is to slow down and the less it wants to change direction, (basicly heavy car = bad cornering, or light car going very damn fast = bar cornering)

This is due to its calculated kilogram-force or foot-pound force in old English.

www.1728.org/energy.htm + www.convertworld.com/en/torque/foot-pound-force.html


2kg foil traveling @ 45km/h = 15 Kilogram-force metre (147 NM touque)
4kg foil traveling @ 45km/h = 31 Kilogram-force metre (304 NM touque)

Only 2 kg difference in foil makes 15kg difference at higher speed in what you are ACTUALLY trying to control.
Trying to control/change direction/pitch/angle,(with your feet) something that is 15kg vs 31kg makes a big difference to the feel. Yes you can control both but one is much easier, more responsive and less effort.

The same counts for the whole setup.
Our race setups are light, my foil & board setup is around 4.5kg total (i think)

4.5kg foil & board traveling @ 55km/h = 53 Kilogram-force metre

If i were to take a heavy setup likes of a older TKF foil & board setup at over 7kg,

7.5kg foil & board traveling @ 55km/h = 89 Kilogram-force metre (874,5 NM touque)

Lighter foil & board = more responsive
Heavier foil & boar = less responsive ( which can be a good thing in the first few days of learning)

A heavy board for the same reason is much much harder to to learn to tack as the weight + speed + swing weight is damn hard to control.

It just means a heavier setup is harder control as you build up speed, so if cursing along and the foil kicks up or bucks out, the heavier it is the more effort and harder it is to correct.Think of the difference of a small wave SUP VS one of those massive barge SUP... which is easier to mover around and control......
I cant comment on foils as i've only ever really tried 2 or 3 and were all about the same weight same material, very race focused foils.

Recently tho, i changed to a super light board, around half the weight of my previous board. My original board id even asked them to build it extra tough and accepted the the added weight as a result.
Before that i didn't believe that weight was in any way as issue, i weigh 97kg, so i figured what difference does the weight of the foil & board make. How wrong i was.!! I did one try somebody else setup, same foil with an even heavier board than my original, and the extra weight had me thinking "its unridble...(by comparison)"

The difference even the weight saving of a lighter board unbelievable!!! .... same foil, just different board. felt completely different!!! it made transitions much easier as it takes far less effort to make small corrections.
A good value Ali foil will get you foiling and as you bought it cheap can sell it cheap, and sell it quick when you want to upgrade.
Even for the non racer or Horque style tricky type foiling i think all can agree the more responsive a foil is the more control you have and the better it'll feel under foot. Just be very weary of very heavy foil+board setups, that would be my advise.

This must be a carbon fibre stone block...



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You're using the equation wrong. You're calculating the kinetic energy (1/2mv^2) of the "body" due to it's motion...that's all. Why convert that to torque, which describes the force necessary to rotate something around a point? It doesn't mean anything in this case. You need to consider the inertia of the system and the impulse force required to change the board's trim, direction etc.

Given that it's balancing on top of a foil, it's rather complex, I bet...and not as hard work as your figures make out. Like the guy with the block.

Glad to see you guys using common sense and not a formula in isolation.
Maneuvuring a board at speed is about steering it not moving it 90 180 or whatever degrees.
My setup with a 2000 model 195cm directional kiteboard with a few repairs is probably as heavy as a board as you could get.
Under way the only remotely thing you feel is the swing weight of the long nose.
Which besides being noticeable, is relatively insignificant. Far outweighed by the benefits of the extra nose rocker and length for the nose dive stage.
Zeeko as we know have their Carbon foils and with 3 choices of front wings. But these Alloy foils are a great entry foil that actually out performs quite a few of the Carbon foils on the market.
But at a price that will get many more Kiters into foiling than if the only choice were Carbon.

Kamikuza said...
One single red thumb each,moor the last three posts

Mass is a factor in overcoming inertia, but it's just not that simple...

Simply put but maybe we need moor

I have hefted all the carbon foils I can get my hands on and none of them are light at all. Most are heavier than the Liquid Force and Zeeko aluminium foils.

I have no interest in spending $2800 on just a foil. As a complete beginner I could not demo anything because I had no skills. My skills have developed to a point where I could demo a foil and make some sensible decisions but demo gear is not readily available. When I upgrade I don't want to be people's reject foils.

When I buy a new foil kit I want a quality product that can be broken down and set up quickly and easily.

There's already a sport where you need mega-expensive gear and a van to carry it round in. It's called windsurfing.