benchy said...

How does it compare to the north rebel??

totally different league.

Paul1 your missing the point, all educated opinions are valid

If you didnt like it thats fine, explain why, use comparisons to other brands, so we can understand otherwise your comment is pointless

Maybe this will help a little. I am an very competent intermediate kiter with 9 years constant kiting. I like nearly all types of kiting, strong wind, light wind, surf, jumping and even just cruising. I changed to BWS over 6 months ago after demoing a few new kites. FYI I was coming from Octanes 2010 and have had Takoon Furia's 2008, Helix, Bow kite 06, Fuels 05, Airush 03 and Ozone before. I should say I nearly bought REOs but they didn't have the new bar then.
Thanks to this post (Ryland) I now know that my BWS kites (6M and 10M) are version 2! What I wanted was a totally reliable and predictable kite that never falls from the sky (even if you charge towards it) and also stays where it should in the window. Further, it has to turn in a nice arc with power for good carving. That's what I like about these kites. They are very stable and give me great confidence and feel/feedback. They are slower than my Octanes and especially the Takoon Furias but I don't mind that at all because they are well fast enough with a good bit of bar movement. They are sized wrong but again it's not an issue as you just buy 1 size smaller than you need. The de-power cleat is tougher to adjust than it should be and the excellent bar should have line holders but I don't care because the most important thing is how it flies and how it feels. I love it. You may not, but they are still good kites either way.

I can't understand how they can be honestly described as terrible.

So does version 3 turn faster, have a better cleat or fly better somehow? Oh and seriously - Relaunch is not an issue. Is it on any modern kite?

Thanks AdfreeTV, that is good sound info and great to hear the kites you have used in the past. I would like an answer to this years model as well.

Hey I usedto fly the Airush lift in 03 - which one did you have? Big boost but pulled like a mac truck!

eppo said...



Hey I usedto fly the Airush lift in 03 - which one did you have? Big boost but pulled like a mac truck!

I had the Flow 12(04) and 9(03) and my mate had Lifts 12 and 16. We were forever repairing bladders. Have not done that for years!

suniboy21 said...

A mate just picked up a new 2011 BWS 10m, and he loves it to death!

I havent ridden it yet but only when I do take it for a spin will I be commenting on it!

Hey not being rude, but we want to know about the 2012 not the 2011....did you mean the 2012?

I have to laugh sometimes about the ridiculous comments that get bandied about. It should be simple...ride a kite, like it or dont, what did you like or dislike...end of story. But on here it goes like this " I saw a picture of the new one, it looks way slower with too much bar pressure" I swear some people comment for the sake of commenting. I have been reading posts on here for only 2-3 years, rarely comment. But I think its getting out of hand with the junk that gets posted. Including this one, it has nothing to do with the original post....See my point.

Leelo said...

I have to laugh sometimes about the ridiculous comments that get bandied about. It should be simple...ride a kite, like it or dont, what did you like or dislike...end of story. But on here it goes like this " I saw a picture of the new one, it looks way slower with too much bar pressure" I swear some people comment for the sake of commenting. I have been reading posts on here for only 2-3 years, rarely comment. But I think its getting out of hand with the junk that gets posted. Including this one, it has nothing to do with the original post....See my point.

Come on Seabreeze loves this kind of s.h.i.t talk, it attracts people to the site, which in return generates profit.

puppetonastring said...

Ryland said...
they arent even landed in oz yet

Yes they are
All sizes on demo as of today at Hammi Hill & Scarbs.

PS - Along with the new Drifter - now that is one board I want to see reviewed by some serious surf kiters.

Was my review not serious enough for you

(quote Eppo
Posted 21/03/2012, 9:34 am              
Is there such a thing as unbiased. Read the reviews - lots of them, compare notes find similarities. Then PM the actual riders and get more detail. Compare these repsonses as well. An open question like this will only generate Bias. end quote)


Perhaps Eppo you can heed your own advice

My guerilla marketing radar has malfunctioned.

ctb003 said...

Best wave kite= Cabrinha drifter

f yes...I love my drifters...

55 posts ,$16 bucks a head, (i will cover the freight and have my own bar pump)deposited into my account for a new 8 (or is that a 10)and we can settle this debate with a unbiased review !

@ Waveslave.

How is any business "dumb" when they discount a kite, then attempt to claw back a bit of cash on the extras? It gives the customer some options yet enables BWS to make extra $$ when the customer demands it. When the business is a price leader they have to make profits from somewhere.

Demanding $1800 a kite and throwing in every extra would be one option, whereas this way would be another.

That's fair play, capitalism and if you compare to most other kite brands good value.

waveslave said...

bjw said...

@ Waveslave.

How is any business "dumb" when they discount a kite, then attempt to claw back a bit of cash on the extras?

A pump is not an 'extra'. ^^^
It's a necessity.
A kitebag is an extra.
If you like, you can carry your kite around in a plastic shopping bag.
If BWS wants to charge money for their cheap-arse pumps, they should start making better quality pumps.
BWS is trying to save $3.
Shows they don't care about their customers.
What's the next 'extra' going to be ... the bridle perhaps ?

Exactly.......
Dont worry about the pump quality! Why people pay good hard earned money
for this poorly designed, poor quality, poor everything Kite....is a mystery to me.
he should be giving away extras to make up for it, not taking things away and charging extra.

i dont think a bag isnt an extra either. Kite, bag and pump have always and will always be the way new kites are sold. Secondhand even, unless its been lost or something.

To be honest doesnt look like much changed much at all.....Big woop shortened bridles and a few extra bits of dacron, fancy scuff guards Pffft!
So no design changes apart from shorter bridles.....
and as far as were all aware the quality probably hasnt improved, its really sad
when your mate cant kite cause hes had to send back kite 3 times in 6 weeks, for numerous reasons.

And As for a Honest review dont think you'll find one, cause the only ones saying good stuff about them are the people selling them, the people riding them for free, or the people promoting them.

IMO/review.......absolute garbage.