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kiter2007
kiter2007
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4 Apr 2013 3:13pm
Anyone got any idea on where to get a crease fixed in Perth? maybe add something into the board to try and strengthen it up? 4 sessions into my new board, dropped off the top of a wave as a back wash wave rolled through and bang. Such a shame it was a great board to ride.



gmd
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4 Apr 2013 4:36pm
Back to the Water - Jason
in Wangara 12 Buckingham Drive
0401 588 744 - 9409 1910

am not affiliated with them .. have one of my boards for repair right now
regards
gmd
swinginginthewind
swinginginthewind
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4 Apr 2013 5:25pm
Dave at Katana in Osborne Park

Also not affiliated with them but he has repaired a couple of boards for me and did a good job.
heyjoe
heyjoe
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4 Apr 2013 6:23pm
Is that a north whip x-surf?
kiter2007
kiter2007
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4 Apr 2013 6:55pm
Thanks guys will give them a shout tomorrow! Yes it is a 2013 north x surf 5 10! Shame it broke only after a few weeks and 4 sessions! it's a great board to ride just doesnt seem to have the same durability as a normal whip! Got some lovely heal dents in it too! Must have a lighter glass job then the other north boards! Weighs a hell of a lot less then a 5 6 whip
heyjoe
heyjoe
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4 Apr 2013 7:12pm
cool, thanks. Good luck with the repair job.
I am definitely interested in getting one. However my last board withstood a beating in the beach breaks over several seasons...i'm now not so sure this would?!
clay
clay
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4 Apr 2013 8:28pm
Holy ****, isn't that second x-surf this month?? I thought the guys at AKS guaranteed this one for aerials and all? why dont you just get it warrantied?
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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4 Apr 2013 8:47pm
Is it epoxy? If so, forget the surf manufacturers and go to a windsurf board repairer like Steve Stratfold at Sails and Windsurfing Centre in O'connor, or P.M Hoop or Rider5 on here.

Or learn to do it yourself, it would be $50 materials.

I have NO PERSONAL experience of him, but Katana got a very bad rep on a couple of jobs which became whole threads in the WS forum.

Heel dents in a few sessions??!!! Bloody hell sounds like you guys are getting ripped.... I'd like to repair it so I could see what construction (or lack thereof??) they are. Can't be hard to do a surfboard and add a couple of patches, or 3mm divinycell sandwich under the feet or even recessed dual density foam under the heels.
cauncy
cauncy
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4 Apr 2013 9:00pm
had a cabrinah with an identical injury, i reversed the board marked a line from both sides of break, cut off the nose at break and dowel,ed the 2, bonding them together, filled the crack to get the original shape back, then wrapped the nose with a 4 and 6 ounce glass with a couple of layers down the rails approx 400mm past , then gelcoated and sanded back, a mates on it now hammering it with no signs of damage ,imo its stronger now than when it was new,
kiter2007
kiter2007
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4 Apr 2013 9:23pm
well after this feedback i might give the repair ago myself. Not sure about fixing my last x-surf tho, board snapped trying to land a punt that didn't go to plan half way between city and trigg. Didn't want to walk back and the board started to delaminate. this is why i bought the 2013 model because it was ment to be stronger construction and was told in shop that would be covered under warranty. **** happens i guess.




kiter2007
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4 Apr 2013 9:30pm
also had a laugh about this post i found when searching heel dents. Maybe i should lay off the pies

hilly
hilly
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4 Apr 2013 9:54pm
kiter2007 said...
well after this feedback i might give the repair ago myself.


If you want resale do not

kiter2007 said...
told in shop that would be covered under warranty.


Have they said no??

Wade Freeman works out of Colin Earle best repairs around 0408 472 730 runs on Lancelin time so may take a bit if time. Great guy.
kiter2007
kiter2007
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4 Apr 2013 10:14pm

kiter2007 said...
told in shop that would be covered under warranty.


Have they said no??

Wade Freeman works out of Colin Earle best repairs around 0408 472 730 runs on Lancelin time so may take a bit if time. Great guy.


cheers mate, i would prob make a total balls up of it. Yelp a big fat NO. It was denied due to apparent frontal impact. This wasnt the case but what can you do. Dont know how you explain the heel dents then.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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4 Apr 2013 10:34pm
Wade F knows his sh!t - unlike many of the surf crew who are still in total denial that anything other than PU / styrene resin/ glass exists.

K2007 if you want to give it a go yourslef I will give you a hand, it is easy and in a non load bearing area so it is almost the ideal 1st repair to try .
kiter2007
kiter2007
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4 Apr 2013 10:44pm
cheers mark i will give wade a call. might give my old board a go and leave him with the new one. Is it hard to re laminate the bottom of my older bamboo core board?
clay
clay
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4 Apr 2013 11:25pm
This seems wierd to me, you've broken two x-surfs and neither are covered by warranty?? what are the guys at AKS basing this frontal inpact on?? lets see the bottom of the board. Is there a big ding or somthing that would show this impact?? seems dodgy to me I would expect North to stand behind their product and for AKS to advocate for you.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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4 Apr 2013 11:29pm
Kiter2007 It is and it isn't.

If in a non-load bearing area, and you're not all excited about a 100% grain match so the repair is invisible, well no.

If it is in the first 1/3rd of teh board, and you don't care abou aesthetics it is really not so hard - you can repair it and paint. The repair can be bamboo, or glass + pine laminate, or unidirectioal carbon.. as long as it is similar strength and blended in well so as to not create an area whish has a "seam" between really strong and really weak (where it will just break again).

I am sure Wade will give u some help especially if he is to fix the new one and you want to fix the old on urself, if he is not around and/or u are in lano give me a bell and I'll show u some stuff.

kiter2007
kiter2007
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5 Apr 2013 12:02am
clay said...
This seems wierd to me, you've broken two x-surfs and neither are covered by warranty?? what are the guys at AKS basing this frontal inpact on?? lets see the bottom of the board. Is there a big ding or somthing that would show this impact?? seems dodgy to me I would expect North to stand behind their product and for AKS to advocate for you.


no impact on the base what so ever. just a few grubby finger prints. last board was broken jumping and apparently they are not designed for that. But the new one is an arial board as per the product webpage.
jackforbes
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5 Apr 2013 11:51am
I got an Underground Pohutu 5'10 repaired by Katana, i had cracked the tip extending down the rail. Have used it solidly and no issues, and you can't pick the repair unless you know it is there. Price seemed pretty reasonable for the work involved. I would use them again.
AKSonline
AKSonline
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5 Apr 2013 12:33pm
Hi Tristan,

Sorry to see you are disatisfied with the arrangements we were making to have your board sorted. I think it is a little unfair to come on here and tell half the story. We were a little confused as to why you had your dad come in and pick up the board before we had a resolution.

First things first. We never sold you the initial board, it was purchased from another retailer whom you were dissatisfied with in handling the problem. We did step in and tried to sort it out for you. North rejected the warrany claim as it wasn't a defect of manufacture, materials or workmanship. We spoke to the Aussie North Rep on your behalf who out of his own pocket offered you a new board at a very healthy discount as a gesture of goodwill. You took this offer.

Secondly, Warranty of a board is against defects in manufacture, materials or workmanship which lead to a failure of some type. They are not sold as indestructible, no board is. The manufacturer has the right to fix or replace a board at it's discretion.

You brought back the latest board after folding the nose on a wave that as you stated had a serious backwash that smacked the nose on your way down the face. We took photos of the board which went to Germany and again, this was found to not be a defect of manufacture. North rejected your claim.

We went in to bat for you again with the North Aussie Rep whom was overseas at the time and due to arrive back the night of the last day we spoke. We were going to ask him if there was anything he could do ...... again! We were prepared to repair the board and hit him up for half the cost.

Your dad came in to the shop that day after I explained to you on the phone that we were trying to sort it out at the time but needed to hear back from the Rep.
We were expecting an answer for you the following morning. We have an excellent repairer in Osborne Park (Katana Surf) who does all our repair work.

North have been amazing with their warranty this year and each year we have had dealings with them, and any board which looked remotely like a warranty was warranted.

We work hard for our customers and warranty hasn't been an issue, but you need to remember that a warranty is not against breakage, it is against a defect which leads to breakage or failure. If you want a board which is indestructible, it will weight a tonne and be very expensive. The X-Surf is a paddle surf board as well as a kite board, they are light weight and tough, but are by no means indestructible.

If you still want us to have the board repaired, bring the board back in and I'll sort it out for you and take it up with the Aussie Rep for re-imbursement later.

Just thought it might be a good idea to paint the whole picture.

DM


swinginginthewind
swinginginthewind
WA
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5 Apr 2013 1:31pm
Mark _australia said...
Is it epoxy? If so, forget the surf manufacturers and go to a windsurf board repairer like Steve Stratfold at Sails and Windsurfing Centre in O'connor, or P.M Hoop or Rider5 on here.


Hi Mark, FYI Dave at Katana does repair epoxy boards - he also makes them.

The repairs he did for me were on epoxy boards that had similar issues to the OP's, as the nose hit the beach.


Mark _australia
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5 Apr 2013 1:53pm
^^^ Like I said I don't have any personal experience but the thread here about a year ago showed a VERY amateur repair. Maybe it was a once off so I am not bagging him, just trying to make the O.P fully informed cos he already has had some bad luck
kiter2007
kiter2007
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5 Apr 2013 2:24pm
AKSonline said...
Hi Tristan,

Sorry to see you are disatisfied with the arrangements we were making to have your board sorted. I think it is a little unfair to come on here and tell half the story. We were a little confused as to why you had your dad come in and pick up the board before we had a resolution.


He was sent into the shop to pick up my board after the rude and aggressive response you provided me with when asking what was going on with my board. Not once did you guys call me/return a call. I felt it was in the best interest of both parties to do this!


First things first. We never sold you the initial board, it was purchased from another retailer whom you were dissatisfied with in handling the problem. We did step in and tried to sort it out for you. North rejected the warrany claim as it wasn't a defect of manufacture, materials or workmanship. We spoke to the Aussie North Rep on your behalf who out of his own pocket offered you a new board at a very healthy discount as a gesture of goodwill. You took this offer.


Not once have I mentioned your shop or who supplied the board on this forum. I had spoken with people at my local with regards to what happened with my old board and why I got a new one. Your sales guy Todd told both myself and my dad that we would have no issues with the new board due to a new construction method. He also stated that strapless punts would be covered under warranty. We also spoke about heel dents in my last board and it was stated he had NEVER seen a north board with them and it must have delaminated due to water ingestion. Also for the record I (MYSELF) called your shop asking for the north Australia reps phone number. I chased up the replacement board. You had the board in stock and this is why I purchased it. We also purchased another whip at full price.


Secondly, Warranty of a board is against defects in manufacture, materials or workmanship which lead to a failure of some type. They are not sold as indestructible, no board is. The manufacturer has the right to fix or replace a board at it's discretion.


Why is the board stated it has warranty against defects in manufacture when you clearly state in a post taken from another thread above that

” Yep, not sure why we should celebrate heel dents, they are a sign of inadequate re-inforcements in a surfboard” yet you're not standing by the product you supply or that is was defect in production. Why does my board have decent heel dents after just 4 sessions?


You brought back the latest board after folding the nose on a wave that as you stated had a serious backwash that smacked the nose on your way down the face. We took photos of the board which went to Germany and again, this was found to not be a defect of manufacture. North rejected your claim.


Yes the board hit a backwash wave while dropping down the face of wave. It has not hit a solid object like yourself/north is claiming. This is apparently why the claim was rejected.


We went in to bat for you again with the North Aussie Rep whom was overseas at the time and due to arrive back the night of the last day we spoke. We were going to ask him if there was anything he could do ...... again! We were prepared to repair the board and hit him up for half the cost.

Your dad came in to the shop that day after I explained to you on the phone that we were trying to sort it out at the time but needed to hear back from the Rep.
We were expecting an answer for you the following morning. We have an excellent repairer in Osborne Park (Katana Surf) who does all our repair work.


So why havnt you phoned me with a resolution? The board was picked up on Wednesday? I failed to receive a call yesterday before posting this thread?


North have been amazing with their warranty this year and each year we have had dealings with them, and any board which looked remotely like a warranty was warranted.

We work hard for our customers and warranty hasn't been an issue, but you need to remember that a warranty is not against breakage, it is against a defect which leads to breakage or failure. If you want a board which is indestructible, it will weight a tonne and be very expensive. The X-Surf is a paddle surf board as well as a kite board, they are light weight and tough, but are by no means indestructible.


I understand this but I fail to see the justification in providing something twice the price as a PU board with little to no more durability. It is quite clear that the board has had issues with production yet this was not been sorted. I clearly asked if the two boards whip and whip x-surf are diffrent only to be told its just a size/volume diffrence. If this is true why isnt the whip 5.6 iv been riding heel dented like my xsurf?


If you still want us to have the board repaired, bring the board back in and I'll sort it out for you and take it up with the Aussie Rep for re-imbursement later.

Just thought it might be a good idea to paint the whole picture.

DM



I know there is always two sides to every story. I know the true one! I am not happy with the board been repaired and expect that North should replace this.
Chris6791
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5 Apr 2013 3:14pm
"I know there is always two sides to every story. I know the true one! I am not happy with the board been repaired and expect that North should replace this."

Actually in my extensive experience when there is a problem or dispute there are three sides to the story. Yours and theres, and the truth somewhere in the middle.

What I got out of this thread is North have looked at the board and deemed it not a warranty issue, that should be the end of the story, get your board fixed and moved on. Yet after not getting the response you expected from the first shop you go to another and of their own goodwill they try and help but you still don't get the response you want.

Nowhere in your original post have you suggested or implied it was a dud board, you got smashed and so did your board.

You take the board back and come on here looking for somewhere to fix it, people have given you good advice, so get it fixed, easy. I'm sure Darren and Todd did their best to get it resolved and only came on here to defend their shop and brand after they were dragged into the debate. It's a shame really, they are getting dragged into your issue simply because they tried to help.

doggie
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5 Apr 2013 3:23pm
Mark _australia said...
Wade F knows his sh!t - unlike many of the surf crew who are still in total denial that anything other than PU / styrene resin/ glass exists.

K2007 if you want to give it a go yourslef I will give you a hand, it is easy and in a non load bearing area so it is almost the ideal 1st repair to try .


Whats epoxy
kiter2007
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5 Apr 2013 3:37pm
thanks for your input chris6791. I dont understand why you are bring up anything about other shops? We bought 2 boards from AKS 3 weeks ago? Yes i bought my orignal x-surf (2012) board from another retailer over a year ago. I snapped this board jumping it and north suggested contacting AKS as they had a new xsurf in stock? i was told the 2013 board was of diffrent constuction and i wouldnt have any issues with it. I dont understand how AKS is that helping me out of there on good will.... the boards have been purchased from them!
Chris6791
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5 Apr 2013 3:54pm
My bad. When you put it all together it sounded like you bought this board elsewhere but ended up at AKS trying to get the problem resolved.
Kip
Kip
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5 Apr 2013 5:43pm
Mental note to myself - Do Not buy a North kite board from kiter2007 posted on sea breeze !
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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5 Apr 2013 6:23pm
Kiter2007 cut ya losses.

I'll give you a carton for it (Emu Draft, nothing flash)


cauncy
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5 Apr 2013 8:02pm
pretty simple one this to me, replace the board with a new one = happy customer and the few hundred people reading this and considering buying a north board still might?, what would this cost north? next to nothing, good customer care keeps punters coming back time and time again, some brands and people need to take the blinkers off and look at the bigger picture, i wouldnt cut my losses id be all over them like a rash 2 boards costing approx 2 grand for a handfull of sessions, doesnt seem like value to me
Livit
Livit
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5 Apr 2013 8:56pm
cauncy said...
pretty simple one this to me, replace the board with a new one = happy customer and the few hundred people reading this and considering buying a north board still might?, what would this cost north? next to nothing, good customer care keeps punters coming back time and time again, some brands and people need to take the blinkers off and look at the bigger picture, i wouldnt cut my losses id be all over them like a rash 2 boards costing approx 2 grand for a handfull of sessions, doesnt seem like value to me



If the manufacturers would start to replace the boards of all snivelers using forums to complain about the quality of their product they would go straight to the wall.

Some riders are rather brutal on their landing, some go hard on the metro dumpers. The other day I cracked my board losing it on a dumper, and that's why I buy cheaper surfboards.... Don't think that because you spent $1200 on a board it is gonna be unbreakable. Take your expensive Cruiser off road, roll it over then ask for a warranty!
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