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Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
13 Jul 2012 5:52pm
Gdog said...

Sweet looking board Plummet. I also love the work you put into your jig. This board project was obviously in your head for a while before you started. I would love to hear a bit more about how you constructed the board, resin types and materials if you have the time. The pualownia boards I made taught me heaps of lessons and I am sure others would like to learn from your experience as well. I had a crack at a paulownia TT a while ago and lost all the rocker when I took it out of the jig. I agree with you that layers may produce a more consistent result. Cheerz


yep been thinking about a board for a long time. Faded onto thing about a mutant around march.

The hardest thing about building a kiteboard is deciding on the size shape and amount of rocker and concave.


construction is 5mm vertically laminated bamboo core. 1 x 600 grm triaxle glass top and bottom. 1 x 150mm of 450gram carbon uni stringer on the bottom. I have the inserts indulgently waterjet cut out of 5mm 316 stainless.

The graphic is printed on rice paper an placed underneith the glass during layup.

resin is west system with 206 slow hardener.

I built my press and board using a skillsaw, jigsaw, drill and sander. no big industrial tools were used. Oh i used a tap to tap the inserts.

Rad man. Yeah the katana rides real small for its size too. thats why i widened the TT end by 2cm and which made it wider through the center too. I think thats part of why this board has better light wind performance.



eppo
eppo
WA
9790 posts
WA, 9790 posts
13 Jul 2012 6:23pm
radman4 said...

Hey mate went out on the Decay Cutlass today,similar to what you experienced i think,was 12-20 went fairly well on the thruster setup but was a bit squirrely on the nose(tt side) its 142x 42 but felt like i was riding my 128 x 29 had to keep a ton of weight on the nose when riding switch,theres not a lot of rocker on the tail so if you eased off the thrusters would grab real easy,that said in 25+ it should rock and roll,totally different than the wave,you can be lazy as on the wave and it rides backwards as good if not better than forwards wind should be stronger with bigger surf tomorrow so will be a better test,had a ripper ride on my 5'8 surfie though








Like the word squirrelly. Yeh like to here how plums board goes with a little less find age as you are right radman the wave rides awesome the other way, infect it rockets upwind. I wonder what design feature allows this on the wave? (know stuff all about boards as opposed to guys it seems ) whatever it is, build it into the next board as this is crucial for making a decent mutant and the only reason I went back to one from the old days. The buttery feel of plums hey that sounds like a real mako feature.
radman4
radman4
678 posts
678 posts
13 Jul 2012 8:13pm
Ive got a new build in mind,have just been drawing up plans for a surfboard mutant,i want the float of the sb and the versatility of the wave,thinking along the lines of a thruster one end and a quad the other,prob in the 4'8-4'10 range 19'-20'wide
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
14 Jul 2012 4:15am
i've been thinking about the squirellyness. and i think it may also be because of more toe in on the side fins of the surf end. Today hopefully i'll get tro try different fin options.

Radman. do it and find out!.

heres another wack idea. what about a triple thruster set up both ends?
radman4
radman4
678 posts
678 posts
14 Jul 2012 6:11am
Don't think the triple thruster will work ,on the cardboards to get the max out of the board you ride the thruster set flatter and the nose cranked like a tt with the extra length on the tt side I would doubt it would track as well ,I used to have a 5'2 surfboard that was blunt both ends like the wave that I modified and put nose fins on it was awesome rode backwards like the wave ,wish I'd never sold it.
If you were gonna do another build I would widen the tips more and put a bit more rocker in right at the tip,downside on the cutlass is the lack of tip volume and lack of tip rocker so you have to be well powered for it to rock.
Gdog
Gdog
QLD
83 posts
QLD, 83 posts
14 Jul 2012 10:49am
Thanks for the info Plummet, do I have it right that you layered up the board between 2 bits of thin MDF then put it in your jig? You are on the money about the "squirillyness" of your board relating to the toe in of the fins. The first paulownia G-board I made did this so I bogged the holes and straitened up the fins, the board locked in then and tracked true. Cheerz
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
14 Jul 2012 11:36am
ok TEST 2.

cross on 14-20 knots. 13m edge.

wind was northerly which is crap for waves. it chops them up and makes them messy. Its also not my normal direction.


anyway. started with the bindings on the widest setting. This made the board squirrelly and also slowish to turn on the wave face.

so i set the bindings on the furtherest back setting. This gace the board a real surf feel in the wave face. Very nice. But oing back out backwards I have to weight the rear to stop nose diving. It also made the board. more squirelly.

So i set the bindings to full foward. (ps I have 3 settings 40, 60, 80mm offset.
In the full foward position the board became more solid and the squirellyness almost disappeared.

The wind then pulled up to 20 knots and a boosting session ensued. boosting in this setting was sweet backwards or fowards.

So in summary. If i want to really ride waves hard and just survive going out backwards i'll set the bindings back. If i want to boost to the moon on the way out and have ok wave performance on the way in i'll set it further foward.

I may end up re-drilling the thruster end side fins to straighter. But i think that will sacrifice wave perfomance.

Lastly the weird undulating i am feeling i think is due to the center of the board being too flexible.

so for the next build I'll add some thickness to the center. and i like radmans idea or more rocker at the tips. so i will do that too.

But for now i think theres several months of testing before i embark on the second build.

ps grins are still very big. Now i can't wait until i get a westerly and clean waves to a real wave trial.

Radman. Can you get a photo of the wave and teh cutlass side by side so i can see the difference?
radman4
radman4
678 posts
678 posts
14 Jul 2012 2:27pm
Mate i can send it up and you can give it a try if you want
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
15 Jul 2012 9:50am
YEeeeeeeeeha!
Just finished an insane 30 to 40knot 6m reo storm session. dodging trees and logs in the water and me to double me dumpers.

squirellyness id all gone. i just needed to adapt my technique a bit.

man this board likes to be ride HARD! the harder the stupider the better.

i almost got into a barrel ! got slapped on the back by the white wash as i popped out!


yeah!

can you tell important pleased?

eppo
eppo
WA
9790 posts
WA, 9790 posts
15 Jul 2012 10:16am
Plummet said...

YEeeeeeeeeha!
Just finished an insane 30 to 40knot 6m reo storm session. dodging trees and logs in the water and me to double me dumpers.

squirellyness id all gone. i just needed to adapt my technique a bit.

man this board likes to be ride HARD! the harder the stupider the better.

i almost got into a barrel ! got slapped on the back by the white wash as i popped out!


yeah!









Awesome plummet. Yeh same with the wave you have to slightly alter technique but only slightly. I have the straps almost in the middle tt style setting, gives enough in waves and you can boost and do all the tt stuff.

can you tell important pleased?




radman4
radman4
678 posts
678 posts
15 Jul 2012 1:17pm
Glad youve got it dialled in plummet,today would of been good to try the Cutlass again,but wind was cross off 20-35 standing the waves up from a k+ out all the way in so the 5'8 SB was the call ,unreal ride am shattered.
eppo
eppo
WA
9790 posts
WA, 9790 posts
15 Jul 2012 6:02pm
Can you tell important please?

Farq me spent one day too many in the bali sun trying to fend off the damn beach hawkers.
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
15 Jul 2012 6:26pm
eppo said...

Can you tell important please?

Farq me spent one day too many in the bali sun trying to fend off the damn beach hawkers.


hehehe

Can you tell i'm pleased.

posted that from me smart phone and it autocorrected me!!..
Skid
Skid
QLD
1499 posts
QLD, 1499 posts
15 Jul 2012 11:02pm
Plummet, good to hear you are so stoked with the board.
Thanks for sharing your work (and learnings).


Laurie,
About that board building thread?
This type of post is gold for those interested; seems a shame if it gets lost in the rest of the rabble over time.

Anyway, thumbs up for seabreeze and threads like this.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
16 Jul 2012 10:03am
Welcome Plummet, to the world of mutants. I can't ride anything else these days!

I agree when riding the thing backwards you should not expect too much - just get out the back. I spend a lot of time riding mine toeside, so that now I'm as competent either way. Do you have a sliding spreader bar? It makes a huge difference on a mutant by allowing you to comfortably get the pull over onto your hip when toeside.
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
16 Jul 2012 10:15am
no sliding spreader bar yet. but i have an old spreader bar so i plan to adapt it.!!
Plummet
Plummet
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4862 posts
4 Sep 2012 4:37pm
Ahhhhhh!. the first spring westerly and the first real cranking westerly on the mutant. The last couple of months have pretty much been northerly and sloppy waves.

Today saw 20-37 knots of peeling head high plus waves with cross cross on wind up at the point. I was running a 60mm surf dog on the middle and the TT fins on the side. Its a little slidier than the full on surf fin but suits my style sweetly.

I could slam and warp factor 9 on the way of punch over and off waves the the slash up something fiece on the way back in.

Very very please. excellento!!!.... oh yeah. yeha...
dbabicwa
dbabicwa
WA
808 posts
WA, 808 posts
4 Sep 2012 4:47pm
Hey, Plummmet

forgotten to ask, how is your mutant and torsional flex? Since you've been using a triax fiberglass?
Still no luck with sourcing this thing in here...

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Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
4 Sep 2012 5:24pm
i don't notice any torsional flex. did you try nuplex ?
dbabicwa
dbabicwa
WA
808 posts
WA, 808 posts
4 Sep 2012 5:42pm
Plummet said...

i don't notice any torsional flex. did you try nuplex ?


Yes, and only available product in Au is 1200g which is double what you've got in NZ:(

Gee, if no t. flex that's really good!
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
4 Sep 2012 7:06pm
stink!.

if you cant get triaxle then try for unidirectional and double bias.

you could use uni on the bottom and double bias on the top!
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