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wdric

NSW

1625 posts

wdric

NSW, 1625 posts

7 Sep 2011 8:05pm

Well if I get taken by a shark when I am in his back yard I sure as hell wouldnt want anyone to go a hunt the thing down, just have more respect for them

But if I am on my way to my local kiting spot and get taken out by a drunk driver running a red light I would like the death penalty bought back in

diginoz

317 posts

diginoz

WA, 317 posts

7 Sep 2011 6:06pm

ezza said...

Plummet said...

Well I am completly blase' about kiting in the ocean. I don't give it a second thought.

When people ask me " aren't you afraid of being eaten by a shark"
I say "I have more chance of being killed by a vending machine"

Last time I bought a coke the vending machine didn't bite my legs off. I was formerly in the no killing camp... But I work in safety risk management, and if there is an identifiable risk, i.e an increasing number of attacks over the years and as Darren mentioned a measured increase in sightings of a species known to be human killers in a given area, I am pro culling.

Between 1985 and 1995 2.18 people were killed by vending machines in the USA compared to 0.6 people per year from shark deaths. google it and c 4 urself.

au_rick

752 posts

au_rick

WA, 752 posts

7 Sep 2011 8:06pm

AKSonline said...

I kinda agree with coreyb,

Since joining our spearfishing club 4 years ago there were only 3 or 4 of the older guys who had ever seen a GWS and I was told it was such a rarity that it was an amazing gift to actually see one.

Nowadays, just 4 years later, they are being spotted fairly regularly by club members and it is now not such a rarity. Knocking off a few of the ones who stray close to the coast wouldn't hurt.

Since their protection, their numbers have swelled quite dramatically. The problem with protecting a top of the food chain predator is that we are wiping out their normal food source for human consumption. This messes up the eco balance.

Just wiping out a species isn't the answer, careful management of the entire marine ecosystem is the key. Seeing as the government couldn
t organize a root in a brothel with a skin full of piss and a $50 note in their hand, what hope have we got of success in this area?

Til then, we lose a human or two every year. Survival tip! Don't ride a shark biscuit.

Condolences to the family and friends of the boy taken.

DM

The reason we have sharks so close to the coast is two fold:

1) they are nigratory and have been tracked from S.A. across the bight, around the capes, and up to the north west and beyond.

2) We don't hunt whales anymore.
This, over successive migration seasons since the 80's has seen the whale migration getting closer and closer to the coast of Australia (east and west).
The big sharks hunt and prey on the whales (as well as seals, etc...)

Last year my dive buddy and I swam so close to humpbacks and southern right whales that we had to back away for fear of being "flippered".

If we want whales, we have to take what comes with them

stabber

NSW

1114 posts

stabber

NSW, 1114 posts

8 Sep 2011 8:26pm

now 3 pages...and yes I'll say "now 4 pages" if It gets to that.

Radman

629 posts

Radman

WA, 629 posts

8 Sep 2011 7:31pm

its un australain to let your your brothers die with no remorse, i bet you dont mind killing cows, sheep, pigs,chooks, snapper ,oh and sharks for a feed down your local fish and chip shop, hipocrites get real get your red thumb out your arse[}:)][}:)][}:)]

djdojo

VIC

1614 posts

djdojo

VIC, 1614 posts

8 Sep 2011 9:41pm

^^^ remorse means that you're sorry for something that you did. i can't feel remorse for the sharks actions (because i was not involved), but i can be very sorry that the guy was killed. this can be the case without me then feeling i have to kill the shark.

your attitude seems more like vengefulness than remorse, which means you want to hurt/punish someone because they hurt you or one of yours.

is the eye-for-an-eye policy "australian" or "un-australian," and what exactly do you mean by these terms?

Radman

629 posts

Radman

WA, 629 posts

8 Sep 2011 8:18pm

to hard ,seems to me yous dont mind killing things for human benifit,ie full tummy,i dont see the difference kill roag shark to prevent future attacks close to shore ie for human benifit ,is that simple enough

dave......

2119 posts

dave......

WA, 2119 posts

8 Sep 2011 8:29pm

Radman said...

to hard ,seems to me yous dont mind killing things for human benifit,ie full tummy,i dont see the difference kill roag shark to prevent future attacks close to shore ie for human benifit ,is that simple enough

So does this one shark have a taste for human flesh? Can you find the exact shark? Is it rogue? Dude, getting attacked by a shark is very rare as already stated.

Nah "just Kill 'em all"...?

Radman

629 posts

Radman

WA, 629 posts

8 Sep 2011 9:05pm

sharks dont have a taste for humans its just instict, ever been fishing for tailer with a popper, tailer see a shadow of a popper being dragged across the water a t high speed and there natural instinct to feed says go and they strike a peice of wood whitch has no scent and no taste, imagine your a booger with a pair of flippers ,what shadow do you think that send s down to a shark ,there is no scent there is no taste, instinct tells the shark heres a feed strike, most whites dont venture into shallow waters but when they do there appears to be a problem,im over this post call me what u want im going kiting and paddling and hoping im not next on the 1 per year average we have be en loosing to gw here in west oz ,sounds selfish hey, most of yous il be rite sitting at home pulling your selfs in frount of the computer .......................... rant over

DaylightDebt

296 posts

DaylightDebt

WA, 296 posts

8 Sep 2011 9:36pm

Sorry if this point has been made before, however i feel its a valid disscusion point.

If an intruder finds them self in "my back yard" and my domesticated beast attacks and kills said intruder, our family animal will be disposed off at the request of local shire/court and local comunity.

This will be done without taken in to acount the feeding habits of the dog ie: the dogs biscuits or tins of food where in the back yard at the time of the event.
If the dog was hungry would this justify an attack or if the dog was sick would this be taken into consideration.

I think not.

It would be justified on the basis by the authorities to be to great a risk to futher uninvited visitors "to my backyard"

It is dificult to think of a solution maybe Japan could help save the whales, target the GW for a while.

Murf1

256 posts

Murf1

WA, 256 posts

8 Sep 2011 10:05pm

au_rick said...

Yes, very migratory, not only SA - South Australia but also SA - South Africa - believe it or not one amazing beast has been tagged in South Africa and pinged (acoustically!) back here on the North West Cape !!!

TurtleHunter

1675 posts

TurtleHunter

WA, 1675 posts

9 Sep 2011 10:16am

DaylightDebt said...

Sorry if this point has been made before, however i feel its a valid disscusion point.

If an intruder finds them self in "my back yard" and my domesticated beast attacks and kills said intruder, our family animal will be disposed off at the request of local shire/court and local comunity.

This will be done without taken in to acount the feeding habits of the dog ie: the dogs biscuits or tins of food where in the back yard at the time of the event.
If the dog was hungry would this justify an attack or if the dog was sick would this be taken into consideration.

I think not.

It would be justified on the basis by the authorities to be to great a risk to futher uninvited visitors "to my backyard"

It is dificult to think of a solution maybe Japan could help save the whales, target the GW for a while.

the difference is your dog will attack again if given the chance. A GW can't survive on low calorie humans(scientifically proven) so the way I see it the one that has tried a human it will probably learn we are junk food and leave us alone in future.
Obviously more study is needed before we jump to any conclusions though.
Maybe we can use the serial killers on death row to do a study[}:)]

dusta

2940 posts

dusta

WA, 2940 posts

9 Sep 2011 10:35am

Radman said...

its un australain to let your your brothers die with no remorse, i bet you dont mind killing cows, sheep, pigs,chooks, snapper ,oh and sharks for a feed down your local fish and chip shop, hipocrites get real get your red thumb out your arse[}:)][}:)][}:)]

use a spell checker next time thanks

blueprint

321 posts

blueprint

WA, 321 posts

9 Sep 2011 11:08am

pomE said...

Do these Shark Shields work? I'm led to believe the evidence is a bit sketchy, but if they were proven to work, would it really cost too much to have stronger, submarine versions of these placed 100-200m or so off some of the more popular beaches to try and deter the sharkies from venturing into the surf/ swim zones?

Sounds like fairly simple technology to me (the non-expert in marine acoustics)

There are a bunch of guys I work with that do the channel swim every year, this year it was done with a Shark sheild (and yes it was tested), their experience is that the sheild is very effective if the shark is very close (within a metre or two, so too bad if you are the person sitting next to the person with the shark shield) but they also suspect that the sheild actually attracts them (curiousity) up to the point where the shark gets too close and backs out. Not science but a set of experiences, I'm also not sure how this would help with a bigger shark which rather than being curious has already committed to the strike.

Abesy

266 posts

Abesy

WA, 266 posts

9 Sep 2011 12:38pm

If you swim in the sea, then you should always go swimming with a fat girl because sharks will go for her first!

Trant

NSW

601 posts

Trant

NSW, 601 posts

9 Sep 2011 3:28pm

The equivalent case here is that if someone gets attacked by a dog, we don't go out and kill ALL the dogs.
That is what the OP is effectively suggesting. Kill all of them.

Dogs kill far more people than sharks every year. If you want to start culling GWs, you might want to look at Fido in your back yard first.

www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/shark-attacks/odds/compare-risk/dog-attack/

harrysurfer

254 posts

harrysurfer

WA, 254 posts

9 Sep 2011 2:15pm

Is there any proof that one shark has been responsible for multiple attacks on humans?
Do you honestly believe that this shark will attack a human again? Im not having a go just would be interested to know whether there is any data that can prove this. I think its very sad for kyle and i am sad and a little shocked. i ve always being scared of sharks and often think about them when in the water but i dont agree with killing the shark. i suppose if 1 shark was to continually be attacking people then maybe i would agree for it to be hunted but i fear that it would almost be impossible to kill the right shark. RIP kyle

pueter66

QLD

205 posts

pueter66

QLD, 205 posts

9 Sep 2011 8:06pm

Sorry to hear about this young mans death I hate hearing about stuff like that .But i agree If I run over a shark while he is jay walking down the street that was the risk it was taking in my enviroment.
I love water sports but I am jay walking down his highway.
Awareness of sharks and understanding there behaviours are a good start and I agree that in some industries like hand feeding sharks from cages is a stupid interaction. I have crocodiles and sharks where I windsurk and kite and the one thing I love about sharks over crocodile is if the water stops so does the shark.
With a crock I hope I still have enough cardio left to get away.
Cheers Pete

Radman

629 posts

Radman

WA, 629 posts

9 Sep 2011 9:14pm

harrysurfer said...

wouldnt mind betting its the same one that took the dude out at leftys in 20o9 ,southpoint in 2010 and the farm in 2011 they are creatures of habit and will return to the same places year after year time for a bounty people. you arnt even safe on the beach ,just before the 2009 attack at leftys a fisherman was fishing for tailer and one (probly the same one} launched it self up the beach and tried chewing the pore old fisher chap.. tru storie .. ther arnt that many that venture close to shore u think ,i thik not ,you would be reading about it weekly otherwise, spell chekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk gw dont have to worrie about that

kitingtopher

313 posts

kitingtopher

SA, 313 posts

9 Sep 2011 10:56pm

sad to hear of crew passing thru. welcome to the food chain,makes you very humble to be sitting in the ocean , need to appreciate it,cut the crap.

hitch_hiker

492 posts

hitch_hiker

WA, 492 posts

9 Sep 2011 9:51pm

I agree with not killing an animal for human convenience (safety may be a different matter)... But kite Down. In the water. See the fin. Be it a second or seconds before. I'd be thinking FK the GW!

dusta

2940 posts

dusta

WA, 2940 posts

10 Sep 2011 8:22am

Radman said...

wouldnt mind betting its the same one that took the dude out at leftys in 20o9 ,southpoint in 2010 and the farm in 2011 they are creatures of habit and will return to the same places year after year time for a bounty people.

and you got your phd in shark science where ?

stabber

NSW

1114 posts

stabber

NSW, 1114 posts

10 Sep 2011 10:33am

dusta said...

and you got your phd in shark science where ?

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