RIP to the young lad who dided on our southcoast yesterday, seems to me that this annual carnage of human life should be preventable, i hate to say it but surelly these creatures of the deep should be allowed tobe harvested and used for cat food or something,game fishing ect even if it only saves one life a year it would be worth it

yeah sure, let's kill those f...ing sharks, kill all the snakes, all the crocs, the stingrays, etc...

shark fatalities are indeed sad, but we are entering their territory and know they are here, so we need to show a bit more respect for the natural elements and their creatures.

I also totally disagree with your point Radman.

If someone gets attacked by a crock or a snake, it is usually killed or at least removed. If someone gets killed by a dog in its own territory it is put down.

I dont think all whites should be killed, but there should be a way of keeping them out in the deep and not attracting them in close and getting them used to human contact.

Corey in this latest attack and the one at Gracetown both areas are by seal colonies which are known to attract sharks. There were also migrating whales in the area yesteday another known naturally occurring shark attractant. Another natural factor was murky water conditions and overcast skies which lead to poor visibility in the water.

schmik said...
How come vegetarians carry leather wallets? Weird

because their not vegans

Of the 1000s of kilometres of coastline and high rate of water sports/surfing in this country, the fact we have 2-3 fatalities every 12 months isn't too bad. I was in Reunion Island in July and they were getting a Great White attack once a WEEK. This is on an island that takes you about 5 hours to drive around. Everyone there just knew you didn't go out in the water after rainfall or around sunset as that was when your chance of being taken were the highest.

I'm not saying this young bloke had it coming or it was his fault. What happens is sad and will be especially hard on his family and those who know him.

But if you are going to engage in a water sport that puts you at an elevated risk of shark attack, maybe it's worth taking the time to understand how you can mitigate the risk. If that means staying out of the water after rain or at dusk then that's what you have to do. It's all part of being the art of being a waterman, how to read the weather and the sea conditions so you can go out there and rip it but still be standing to do it another day. (Not saying that I'm a gun at these things, but I try)

In a lot of ways I would rather die doing something awesome rather than of a heart attack sitting at my desk. That seems like more of a tragedy to me.

www.seabreeze.com.au/

Same argument in surfing forum.

in answer to the topic yes we do NEED them as such, we also need to not rape and pillage the oceans for a tuna sandwich
Apex predators are an important part of the environment and it was just doing what it has to do to survive

There's a lot of things we probably don't "need".

We should probably kill off all the bees first, 2-3 Australians die every year from bee stings compared to 1 from shark attack. (Not sure how 1 death per year is "carnage")

Bicycles kill lots of people. Do we "need" them?
Killing off all the dolphins probably wouldn't increase the price of bread, we don't "need" them either and they're just eating our fish stocks.

Sympathies to the family of the lad who died, but I don't think wiping out a species is the answer.

Human numbers are swelling too, maybe we should cull them too. Would solve a lot of problems with 1/4 of the population.

My condolences to the friends and family of this lad.
Nothing can detract from the trauma & sadness for those close to him.

The sensationalism (as mentioned above) adds to the hype behind knee-jerk solutions to a deeply sad but unfortunately true event.

There may be solutions which help alleviate the incidence of attack but sadly I don't think you can prevent it totally.

Wiping out the sharks of the ocean is not a sound path.

If some statistics can be used to temper the hype then you could look no further than the road toll, quite often comprising to some degree, of those in the same age range as the person involved in the shark attack.


In Australia, as of August 2011, over 1,200 people were killed on our roads over the past year and around 32,000 people were hospitalised as a result of crashes.


In WA, (quoted only because the shark topic started here) over 110 deaths and over 150 Critical injuries in the year to date for 2011 attributed to road crashes. Similar, per capita for the other states & territories.

If you believe that only croc and shark attacks are the most horrifying, then I suggest that you have a serious chat with your local ambulance & rescue crews regarding the disturbing horror behind road trauma.

Under the same umbrella of thought that started this topic, i.e. culling a species, it would be more beneficial to Australia to remove all car drivers.

Fine in fantasy but truly unrealistic!

Some acute focus should be given to where the greatest danger lies, not just sensationalism to get a headline.

Fossil

Jonopark said...

We kill every other species in the ocean except For the strongest and most dangerous one. And people here scream protect the Eco system??? Go eat a ****ing carrot, as I guess your vegans too?? Last summer there was heaps spotted locally in Perth.(they don't look for them north and south) and I was in the water most of these days.
If they are spotted or caught within a certain distance in shore it should be a free for all. Bans on fishing for these things and craypots that do not have hooks strung all over them have allowed numbers increase dramatically. And while we rape the rest of the ocean these things are growing and getting hungry. Monitor them and cull them until there is a safe number spotted each year swimming past your beaches. Crayfish squid tuna etc are good enough to kill why not aggressive (increasing in numbers) sharks? What happens when they run out of food??

If you put as much effort into saving lives from drink driving as you have devoted to being a ****ing retard then the amount of people saved each year would be astronomical

Can't be definite about GWS rising numbers due to over fishing their food source. Is there any decent science to back this up? Hence won't comment on this. IS there anyone in possession of such information? (Although it is probably a fairly sound theory).

Human life is precious, just ask the family that just lost their loved one.

We can be callous about the value of human live versus other species, especially if one has not experienced the pain of losing a loved one to that species.

Remember a real life, a real person has been lost. If the science backs the theory of rising numbers due to our destuction of their normal excosystem and if science can prove a significant increase in risk to humans, then measures should be put in place to reduce this risk.

If that surmounts to culling then so be it.

And before you rise to arms concerning the ethical absurdity of killing another species to save more humans... what if it was your son, daughter or loved one?

Would you think the same? If you say yes I say Bullshyte, you are talking out your fat ass and I neeed no science to back that up!

eppo said...


Remember a real life, a real person has been lost.

what about fish and other animals. they have feelings too .

It is sad when a life is taken..when it comes to shark related deaths..Fact is more people die from bee stings or chocking on xmas ornaments..Worse things to be worried about like driving on the freeway in perth or the fact that 50% of us will develop some form of cancer in this lifetime.Coco pops or beer are far more dangerous than we know. We are the major killers when it all boils down. Its a shame we all live in the Jaws Movie in our brain. Sharks are the number one predator in the largest oxygen producing ecosystem on the planet...we keep killing them at 50,000 per day then we stop living at some point. I found this doco put it in perspective for me well worth a watch.

windangoesoff said...

Wipe out a species to save one life ? Who said humans have more right to be here than any other animal? Great Whites are beautiful creatures.

Totally disagree.

i didnt say wipe out the species i sugested harvesting to cull the no 's down a bit . seems to me all the do gooders in the world arnt helping ,whale numbers are up so are the great whites let the japs eat whales , let the game fishers catch great whites .... enough said dont want to rub karma the wrong way