Yeah i think i'm gonna have to agree with you on this one. Great angles on some nice riding, but damn the pose shots ruin it. I get they're trying to promote their riders and product but let the team riders ride instead of acting like Fabio.

F.One - All we do is stand around.

wish I could stand around like a tosser somewhere thats WINDY

reckon I'd end up with an assault charge if people started carrying on like that at my local

is one dude actually hugging himself in the end??? what were these guys thinking of...

yeah wow - wtf was up with all the euro style posing? Oh wait...

Shame really that looked like a kick ass spot with and some cool scenery.

Loved the dolphins though.

For the camera junkies out there -

That red one cam is very nice - but total overkill for a webcam movie - something well shot on HDV or DVCPROHD will look the same.


the only benefit is the 120 fps - which you can easily get to in post if you with shoot something that overcranks 50 fps (Sony Ex 1 ,Panasonic HVX 200, HPX 170 ) and then make it slower again in post. Its nice to have slo mo without having to use Twixtor though..

those red cams are a total PITA to work with - you have to bolt on so much extra stuff (lenses , mics etc) to have a complete video solution. They breakdown , run out of batteries in record time and the post production workflow is still a beta. I can guarantee there would have been alot of missed shots on that shoot due to camera down time and long set ups - possibly why the action is so basic.

BUT

each frame is like a beautiful SLR full frame sensor Digital camera Picture - great for the big screen - and doing tricky post production compositing- but a complete waste for a web movie.

Looks like the makers of this movie got carried away with style over substance... Give a Red to Andy Gordon with some crane action, cool lense variety , awesome post production and his great concepts and he would smash that effort out of the water.

In fact i think he could make something twice as interesting with a $600 one chip camera.. because its the ideas and concepts that count - not having a fancy camera and same lame posing (blame the director / brand manager for that one - i am sure the riders were hating it!) by unknown riders. This effort is an embarrassing slap in the face for kiting culture .

premiere should be able to understand how to import the footage

- i work on apple which interprets DVCPROHD 50 fps footage no problem.

The cameras that do this sort of overcranking arent cheap - HPX 171 from Panasonic and Sony Ex 1 run to $10 000 and $12 000 respectively... housings for these cameras are alot of money as the cameras are reasonably large.

But to get a red one useable and up and running you are quickly into a $25 000 and more expenditure.

Some sony camcorders offer a quick burst slo mo effect but it really doesnt work - blurry and you only get 3 seconds at a time.

Sony make a housing for their smaller cameras- and its only $350 - i have been using one for 3 years with a small sony HC3 (doesnt shoot slo mo) and it works well - especially after some coor correction.

look at some of their def hdv / avchd range - but beware you need a grunty computer to edit avchd natively (and HDV for that matter it sucks as i codec due to interframe compression - i would transcode using something like cineform on a pc - i transcode all hdv to pro res on my apple - the files are much larger but it edits well) - pretty much anything coming off a memory stick / hard drive is a pain in the ass to edit.

cheers man, i was looking at getting a full HD camera that records on mini dv..... I have imported that before onto uncompressed avi and it does take up a lot of room. I recently had to upgrade my computer for work - (3d visulisations) so hopefully it will do, maybe just more hard drive space.

Do you have an example of the type of footage you get from your camera with underwater houseing?

Does it fit the .3 or .6 multiplier fish eyes or wide angles under the cover?

Puetz said...

hey Benrama, you'd fit right in dude!!! hehehe

just joking!!!

Hedges, you out there, didn't mean to up set you.

im curious as to how u got the effect at 1:12 matt
was it a plug in or just a play with contrast and colour levels
its similar to gordons flick and looks sweet.....

cheers for the reply man. those vids look good
I had a loot at the twixtor site.............. **** - look amazing, I imagine you can get it pritty slow before you get too much noise and deteriation.

When you say, a lot can be done with white and black point adjustments - do you mean, working the levels, setting black and whites max and in values and whitebalance?

If so im sure I will be able to transfere what i know from RAW photo editing into video.

thanks for you help

ps - maybe we should start a video/photography thread

My big camera purchase choice was between the Panasonic HVx shooting to p2 cards and the The Sony Ex1 shooting to their flash cards

The Ex1 is VERY nice - except for 2 major problems:

1. It shoots a highly compressed format - i was looking at one before i purchased my HVX
BUT the performance of the codec with action (in my situation) lets it down.

The camera is VERY sharp on a tripod and with slow pans- but add some quick movement and that sharpness disappears very quickly due to the interframe compression - as i shoot alot from helicopters hand held (usually quite wide but getting in as tight as possible) this was a deal breaker for me

2. If you arent on the latest GRUNTY computer the codec is HIDEOUS to edit - due to its high compression the cpu on your computer has to work SUPER hard to decompress every single frame.

This means massive render times - and because editing can be a very trial and error process - this means a productivity and creative hit - especially when you have a project due in a deadline.

And for sure real time editing will be out of question unless you are running the latest intel Mac pros (or PC equivalent) - whereas transcoded HDV (apple pro res / cineform) and DVCPRO HD (its fine natively) edit in real time like butter on the timeline. Even on my 3 year old Power mac g5 . . So if you have awesome post gear and good camera stabilisation set ups ( Cineflex on a heli..) then the EX1 can be a good choice.

AS for color correction - photo experience wills serve you well - the concepts are the same.

Yes - this probably should be a separate thread!

Sorry still OT:

Another aspect to consider when looking at overly exy camera purchases right now is the looming Digital SLR revolution that's going to transpire quite soon.

Full of limitations right now, but the D90 and 5dmk2 at $2k and $5k respectively are pretty damn amazing for budget amateur stuff.

600mm zoom on a full frame sensor video camera! - sweet

Low light is supposed to be insane on this one. Thanks to the massive sensor - the iso rating on the 5d mk II is off the scale!

Alot of the time lapses you see done on quality TV docos are actually done on digi SLR cameras and the frames are brought into a video editing program

shame its only 30 fps and a crappy codec - but transcoding is your friend...

maybe time to change thread title to "Digi Cam nerd Tossers"[}:)]