Why death-leashes are sh1t.

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hamburglar
hamburglar
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25 Apr 2013 11:24pm
stabber said...
This is an emotive topic(very unlike wavey to do).....shame it is gonna die a horrible death.

How very true stabbs, and your no stranger to controversy yourself ..... you old sheep skin shagger you
polykarb
polykarb
VIC
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25 Apr 2013 11:25pm
This topic is stupid.....

If you're progressing your riding, unhooking, taking slams etc you might/would have a greater understanding. And see how vital leash is, riding without is just crazy talk.

I snapped a leash this year,
It sucks chasing kites down when they take off.

There is soooo many different ways to attach you leash and different lengths etc. I guess it really depends on what sort of kiting your doing.

Ride without a leash, what a joke.
Good luck.
hamburglar
hamburglar
ACT
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25 Apr 2013 11:34pm
stabber said...
see how I used the term of endearment ..."wavey"... in the last post. It kinda gives the reader the idea we may be friends of some kind....

Perfect example of how the internet and forums can be confusing.


Yer yer your right and the more i say "stabbs" "stab" or "sheep skin shagger "
the easier and more comfortable it becomes

No wonder confusing internet forums are a perfect example of how ummm......



puppetonastring
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25 Apr 2013 10:12pm
My old mate Slavey has been on about 'death leashes' since day dot... AND ITS AS CRAP TODAY AS IT EVER WAS.
In days gone by EVERYONE slammed Slave for these views - with very good reason.
There are heaps of kiters reading this now wondering who they should listen to.
Dont get tangled up in the forum banter of the role of 'SAFETY leashes' in these days of far safer kites.
Until you are at an extremely high skill level & have experience based knowledge to make a choice bw leash or no leash AND REMEMBERING THAT EVEN THEN IT IS STILL A TOTALLY NARCISSISTIC CHOICE TO NOT USE A LEASH just stick with your leash.
Dont listen to garbled messages on public "Im a Hero" forums about how twisted lines may reduce their effectiveness etc etc. Follow the common sense rules of untwisting your lines - its a piece o p**s these days - and keep yourself, those around you & (last but not least) your gear safe by using the leash the way it was designed & provided for you by EVERY manufacturer with every new kite.

If safety leashes werent worth using the manufacturers would be the first to drop this additional cost item from the compulsory purchase package of their product.
NONE - NOT EVEN ONE - TAKE THAT OPTION. inc. all the backyard, on-line & fly-by-night kite manufacturers.
Dont listen to dumb forum crap - safety leashes are ESSENTIAL.

let the fun & theoretical forum rhetoric cont........
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
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25 Apr 2013 10:38pm
ps.
I lived & kited right at Woodies for 5 yrs.
During that time I met & kited with just about every world champ & a heap of world champ contenders & hopefuls training in the norths off season.
These are the cream of the cream of kiters in the world & I NEVER EVER saw one of them kiting without a kite leash. Not ONE not ONCE.

Why would you even think of listening to random off-the-planet forum posters with that sort of endorsement on their usefulness.
Along with EVERY kite co. supplying them without option with every new kite.
Jonopark
Jonopark
WA
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26 Apr 2013 1:21am
Same dickheads same bull****. Thanks for reminding me why I hardly ever come back here. The only good thing that waveslave could do with a leash is hang himself. Anyone else think these topics bought up by the same people over and over get redundant?
Old prick must be senile.
NSW, 4382 posts
26 Apr 2013 10:14am
JJB said...
The more this thread goes on the more confused I get.

I cant decide whether wave slave is trolling us or is stupid.



Don't be confused, the answer is both.

Aaron18
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26 Apr 2013 10:32am

i found this of Aaron not using his leash to make a good photo on the slider i think maybe to help it look abit more like wakeboarding



Jedibrad
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26 Apr 2013 12:14pm
When the surf is really big i launch then unhook the leash, kite, then rehook when coming in off my last wave

Also if i do a big trip out to sea to get way upwind ill hook the leash up for that
zarb
zarb
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703 posts
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26 Apr 2013 12:22pm
What about when riding unhooked (chicken loop, not safety leash) on a wave?
Livit
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WA
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26 Apr 2013 11:45am
MDSXR6T said...
Livit said...Core has 2 leashes in their range, a freestyle one for those who unhook and a freeride/wave one for the rest of the crew, the 2nd one is much shorter and I believe the other brands should follow and let the customer choose.


From a noobs perspective the core short leash is great.

At first it was a bit ackward so i bought a longer one but i've reverted back after it annoying the crap out of me when body dragging.

After my kitemare early on i think having a leash thats short and in front of you is handy. I dont know, hower it could be hard to hit the leash safety when your being dragged backwards.




This leash is NOT a handle pass leash, therefore it should be connected to your D ring on one side of your harness and NOT on the back handle.
MDSXR6T
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WA
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26 Apr 2013 1:59pm
Im a bit confused??

Short leash hooks on to the spreader bar (reinforced bit where it meets the harness) doesnt it? I dont think my harness (ion) has strong d rings on the side.

Im not skinny enough for the short leash to reach the back handle lol
Jedibrad
Jedibrad
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26 Apr 2013 8:33pm
zarb said...
What about when riding unhooked (chicken loop, not safety leash) on a wave?


i don't.... neither do, in my opinion the best kitesurfers
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3509 posts
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27 Apr 2013 1:14am
Jedibrad said...
zarb said...
What about when riding unhooked (chicken loop, not safety leash) on a wave?


i don't.... neither do, in my opinion the best kitesurfers


Underoath
Underoath
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27 Apr 2013 3:36am
I see what you did there tightlines...

clever!
Jedibrad
Jedibrad
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27 Apr 2013 9:45am
Whilst I appreciate not only the skill required and the integrity of the 'unhookers' rotator cuff muscles I don't think it is as functional as most 'unhookers' think.

I think it makes for a higher pivot point body wise, bad thing, and leads to an over stiffness and one dimension to surfing down the line.

That said, Ben Wilson makes it look good, but slow down one of his good bottom turns and look at the angle of his shoulder joint...mmm not for me.

Now you've shown Felix P there.... I dare you to compare any of his videos to Ian A or Patrick R....

tightlines
tightlines
WA
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27 Apr 2013 9:31am
Yeah I hear you there Jedibrad and despite posting that photo above (whilst in a drunken state last night) I definitely recommend wearing a leash.

Guys like Felix that have been flying kites with fixed bars and unhooked for years using relatively small C kites maybe able to get away without a leash but there is not many people in the world with that sort of experience.

As far as hooked or unhooked goes well that's up to the individual, Ben W and Ian A for example both rip, yes they both have different styles but that is what I like about kiting you can take it wherever you want.
I can see advantages and disadvantages of both styles.

I personally usually kite hooked in, because the kites that I fly are easier to control that way, when I fly my C kite I unhook more because it handles it better.

As someone suggested earlier, I use a short leash that is attached to the end of my spreader bar so the release is always handy.
bene313
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27 Apr 2013 11:19am
Top hat is always unhooked and never runs a leash.

-ZTthRY9-1biOH1nOA
dogfish
dogfish
NT
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27 Apr 2013 6:34pm
its
Wanga F One
Wanga F One
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28 Apr 2013 4:51pm
When I first saw this post I thought no Slave you can't pull this one off again, but I under estimate your fishing skills. I applaud you.
waveslave
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28 Apr 2013 7:44pm



Death-leashes are like tow-ropes.

They drag you up trees, over powerlines and into buildings and cars.

Tether yourself to a power kite at your peril.

lol.
JJB
JJB
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28 Apr 2013 9:52pm
is there any way to block from seeing certain peoples threads or posts?
yendor
yendor
NSW
262 posts
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28 Apr 2013 10:03pm
Leaches protect other beach goers.How many kites would we have blowing away when there is a need to pull your safety.I don't understand why you would not have a leash.
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
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28 Apr 2013 8:32pm
waveslave said...



Death-leashes are like tow-ropes.

They drag you up trees, over powerlines and into buildings and cars.

Tether yourself to a power kite at your peril.

lol.


so ban the harness so you can't connect yourself to the kite
Lambie
Lambie
QLD
742 posts
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28 Apr 2013 11:04pm
^^^^ Is that a Toyota Cluger under the tree ?? Ban them and the leash issue will go away also !! ( Ok yep yep - this comment has as much merrit as the original post!!) LOL
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3509 posts
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28 Apr 2013 9:58pm
You sound scared, you don't have very good kite control do you Slave?

Could I suggest you take some lessons?

WallZie
WallZie
WA
87 posts
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28 Apr 2013 11:02pm
Here you go Slave I fixed your picture for ya... It looked like he was still hooked in


tightlines
tightlines
WA
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28 Apr 2013 11:07pm
Nice work KiwiWill.
polykarb
polykarb
VIC
284 posts
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1 May 2013 4:52pm
Aaron weir said...

i found this of Aaron not using his leash to make a good photo on the slider i think maybe to help it look abit more like wakeboarding






Perfect example of when not to use leash, check out the background..

If you were to catch an edge or come off upwind side of rail you can let go, rather than get dragged along rail and/or possibly get second hiding on the rocks.

Plus he gets his kites for free, you think he cares if his kite gets trashed.
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
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1 May 2013 3:57pm
I've thought about this leash thing a bit lately.

If **** hits the fan, I'd rather ditch the kite in one move. If I really needed to pull the pin, damaging the kite would be the least of my worries.

I know someone who needed to use the kite quick release, during a tangle with someone else. That worked, but he was then getting dragged upside down underwater and couldn't get the leash release. He thought he was going to drown. Lucky for him his harness had a quick release system where the whole lot goes(harness,bar,kite).

On my kite all the leash does is put the bar out of reach but (hopefully) depowered.

I still have the leash, for landing and launching where I move it so it flags the kite if needed, and to keep other kiters happy...

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