Why I will not join WAKSA (AKSA) at this time.

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GreenPat
GreenPat
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7 Jan 2011 1:05pm
Mask said...

WAKSA must be devo!


gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
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7 Jan 2011 11:11am
RSC, my suggestion to you: buy a wood chipper, aim the spout at a cesspool, turn it on and kn jump in........




Coose
Coose
VIC
229 posts
VIC, 229 posts
7 Jan 2011 2:13pm
wow just wow...... gay as aids, just stfu and kite

This is why skateboarding is a better alternative, dont have to deal with douche bags on the beach and on the internet.

how about we move on up?

poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
7 Jan 2011 11:21am
rsc said...

I will not join WAKSA (AKSA) at this time.



djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
7 Jan 2011 2:21pm
Your world falls down around you,
You build up walls around you,
You wear disgust like a crown ...

Coose
Coose
VIC
229 posts
VIC, 229 posts
7 Jan 2011 2:26pm
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
7 Jan 2011 11:29am
More Curtis - less Hank the yank w@nk.






getfunkynow
kitegirl21
kitegirl21
NSW
439 posts
NSW, 439 posts
7 Jan 2011 2:36pm
rsc said...

These comments are made after attempts to raise broader issues of risk in regard to the inappropriate behaviour of some kitesurfing individuals at public beaches in another thread "Show Pony Alert @ Brighton WA" ( see www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Show-Pony-Alert-Brighton-WA/ ).

The thread was closed on the evening 6th Jan 2011 after 303 postings and 9,700 viewings (approx.) over 10 days.

In spite of a number of hints, comments and warnings (including by the moderator) about repeated inappropriate behaviour by some individuals I was forced eventually, through concerns about my personal safety, to issue 'warnings' to two individuals. (see rsckitesurfing.blogspot.com )

Clearly -- like harassment and intimidation on public beaches -- this abusive behaviour reflects badly on kitesurfing and those responsible and mature people who seek their recreational fun (and in some cases living and employment) within it.

There is a clearly a link between the type of behaviour, comments and attitudes listed in the 'Show Pony' thread and the issue of primary focus implied in the title: bad behaviour on the public beaches and its risks.

I have come to the conclusion that the organisations representing this recreational activity and sport (kitersurfing) are not yet ready to provide professional support and services for new members like myself who are not in the standard demographic profile.

I have also come to the conclusion that, apart from public liability insurance coverage (which can be obtained elsewhere), the effectiveness of these governance associations is below what I consider to be viable and sustainable.
Clearly these types of attitudes and behaviours in a public web forum demonstrate that there is a culture problem within this kitesurfing domain -- at least in Australia.

Calls from within the fraternity by more mature, aware and concerned voices for self-governance and self regulation are Utopian.

Unless there is swift and radical change in the culture then only one outcome can be possible: more oversight, regulation, fees, monitoring and fines by government authorities.

All beaches are public commons. If a group of individuals wish to use it to the risk and endangerment of others then they must be governed effectively - either through self control or control by others. This is the tragedy of the commons.

When self-governance is not possible, through various systemic and cultural factors, then higher authorities must and will step in.

Some in the kitesurfing domain seem to be aware of this. But it seems they are incapable for various reasons of achieving their aims. Calls go unheeded. Positive suggestions are not offered. Debate is stifled. Dissent is threatened.

Public authorities should and will take note. This is what they are dealing with on the beaches.

The Show Pony Express ended in a train wreck -- and is well captured in the final post before shut down.

I suggest this is but a micro-scenario of what will happen in the next 12-18 month for the kitesurfing activity as a whole in the real world. I put the probability at 0.75 and rising.

While this is the case -- and while the WAKSA/AKSA joining conditions indemnify members and serving committee members (see www.aksa.com.au/Indemnity ) -- I cannot join.

I wish to distance myself from risk of association.

It does not meet my values or standards.

It protects Show Ponies @ Brighton Beach!

Risk evaluation strongly suggests walking away and watching the show from the sidelines as it develops into whole-of-community outrage at a new and dynamic but dangerous and out-of-control sport.

However, in my short time within it, I have met some good and intelligent young people and that gives me hope. I have heard some sensible and responsible 'voices' on the 'Show Pony' express thread. But there is along way to go in my opinion.

The way forward?

Open discussion.
Effective dialogue.
Mutual respect.
Good governance.
Risk reduction.
Strategic thinking.
Mature adults.
Effective Associations.



r u fkn serious rsc? u have been kiting for what it seems like all of 2 seconds and you can make a comment like this? I dont even live in WA but can tell you WAKSA pushes for kiting places to remain open through attending council meetings and educating kitesurfers with the laws of the land in respect of beach rules/launch/land areas etc etc
u r a moron mate
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
7 Jan 2011 2:06pm
@ rsc



In response to previous thread where you estimate your 60% in the wrong and the distractor 40%, I think hey why not share the blame more. At least 10% of the blame must be attributed to the school/shop who "taught" a such a toss pot to kite.

Also INB4 LOCK.
toddws
toddws
WA
469 posts
WA, 469 posts
7 Jan 2011 11:41am
rsc said...

These comments are made after attempts to raise broader issues of risk in regard to the inappropriate behaviour of some kitesurfing individuals at public beaches in another thread "Show Pony Alert @ Brighton WA" ( see www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Show-Pony-Alert-Brighton-WA/ ).

The thread was closed on the evening 6th Jan 2011 after 303 postings and 9,700 viewings (approx.) over 10 days.

In spite of a number of hints, comments and warnings (including by the moderator) about repeated inappropriate behaviour by some individuals I was forced eventually, through concerns about my personal safety, to issue 'warnings' to two individuals. (see rsckitesurfing.blogspot.com )

Clearly -- like harassment and intimidation on public beaches -- this abusive behaviour reflects badly on kitesurfing and those responsible and mature people who seek their recreational fun (and in some cases living and employment) within it.

There is a clearly a link between the type of behaviour, comments and attitudes listed in the 'Show Pony' thread and the issue of primary focus implied in the title: bad behaviour on the public beaches and its risks.

I have come to the conclusion that the organisations representing this recreational activity and sport (kitersurfing) are not yet ready to provide professional support and services for new members like myself who are not in the standard demographic profile.

I have also come to the conclusion that, apart from public liability insurance coverage (which can be obtained elsewhere), the effectiveness of these governance associations is below what I consider to be viable and sustainable.

Clearly these types of attitudes and behaviours in a public web forum demonstrate that there is a culture problem within this kitesurfing domain -- at least in Australia.

Calls from within the fraternity by more mature, aware and concerned voices for self-governance and self regulation are Utopian.

Unless there is swift and radical change in the culture then only one outcome can be possible: more oversight, regulation, fees, monitoring and fines by government authorities.

All beaches are public commons. If a group of individuals wish to use it to the risk and endangerment of others then they must be governed effectively - either through self control or control by others. This is the tragedy of the commons.

When self-governance is not possible, through various systemic and cultural factors, then higher authorities must and will step in.

Some in the kitesurfing domain seem to be aware of this. But it seems they are incapable for various reasons of achieving their aims. Calls go unheeded. Positive suggestions are not offered. Debate is stifled. Dissent is threatened.

Public authorities should and will take note. This is what they are dealing with on the beaches.

The Show Pony Express ended in a train wreck -- and is well captured in the final post before shut down.

I suggest this is but a micro-scenario of what will happen in the next 12-18 month for the kitesurfing activity as a whole in the real world. I put the probability at 0.75 and rising.

While this is the case -- and while the WAKSA/AKSA joining conditions indemnify members and serving committee members (see www.aksa.com.au/Indemnity ) -- I cannot join.

I wish to distance myself from risk of association.

It does not meet my values or standards.

It protects Show Ponies @ Brighton Beach!

Risk evaluation strongly suggests walking away and watching the show from the sidelines as it develops into whole-of-community outrage at a new and dynamic but dangerous and out-of-control sport.

However, in my short time within it, I have met some good and intelligent young people and that gives me hope. I have heard some sensible and responsible 'voices' on the 'Show Pony' express thread. But there is along way to go in my opinion.

The way forward?

Open discussion.
Effective dialogue.
Mutual respect.
Good governance.
Risk reduction.
Strategic thinking.
Mature adults.
Effective Associations.


tool!
fozzy
fozzy
SA
501 posts
SA, 501 posts
7 Jan 2011 2:11pm
I haven't bothered reading the other thread but you don't need to in order to get the vibe. Thing that gets me here is everyone is slamming this guy to shutup and bugger off and you all do this for 10 pages and now you all start doing the same thing again.

If you don't want to hear from him then STOP REPLYING to his thread for christ's sake.

The reason I rarely post here anymore is because of this very dribble. Take a leaf out of my book and you will magically see this thread disappear into the bowels of page 2 and beyond.

I know though right, you can't help yourselves.
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4103 posts
QLD, 4103 posts
7 Jan 2011 1:44pm
fozzy said...

I haven't bothered reading the other thread but you don't need to in order to get the vibe. Thing that gets me here is everyone is slamming this guy to shutup and bugger off and you all do this for 10 pages and now you all start doing the same thing again.

If you don't want to hear from him then STOP REPLYING to his thread for christ's sake.

The reason I rarely post here anymore is because of this very dribble. Take a leaf out of my book and you will magically see this thread disappear into the bowels of page 2 and beyond.

I know though right, you can't help yourselves.


Bit of a catch 22 isn't it? You have to post to tell people not to post...

Dammit, I'm posting too.
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
7 Jan 2011 2:48pm
Dear Seabreezers, your fine selection of words, images and clips are helping me get through an otherwise tedious day of book-keeping (no Getfunky, not book-making).

Thanks and keep 'em coming.

And RSC, you are indeed having a disproportionate influence here, but perhaps not in the direction you wanted eh? Now, really and truly, take your sorry arse to the beach and learn to kite, you just might like it.
wave knave
wave knave
306 posts
306 posts
7 Jan 2011 11:50am

ya.. just stop it!
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
7 Jan 2011 2:50pm
Can one of the mods please change the name of thread to "why I want to be the most hated kiter (or wannabe kiter) in WA"
wave knave
wave knave
306 posts
306 posts
7 Jan 2011 11:52am
lets see how fast we can take it to 10 pages...
go!!!
kyteryder
kyteryder
NSW
692 posts
NSW, 692 posts
7 Jan 2011 2:57pm
Mr RSC
I have read the entire show pony blog, and yet still can't understand your point of view. I can understand most of your posts refer to defending arguments and accusations and verbal disrespect your way. Your original point of only accepting 60% of responsibility (which you later altered in terms of negotiation), or to me peer pressure. Seems to be lost in commonsense. I don't understand if the person yelled out at you was an instructor carrying on a business or just a standard beach goer, that your argument would stand on it's own merits. If it was a 6 year old child yelling out to you or a dog that barked at the beach, or a siren from the lifeguard, or a car horn. It was your distraction coupled with setting up the kite incorrectly that led to the accident.

I am a member of AKSA, and believe self regulation will always have flaws, but is far better that a regulatory one, for beach access for kiters. I read that you don't classify yourself kiter but a citizen that owns kitesurfing equipment. I own lots of different types of sporting equipment, but don't call myself a soccer player, tennis player, footballer, surfer, wakeboarder etc. But i do call my self a kitesurfer as I am very passionate about the sport, and enjoy the freedom and surfing aspects of the sport. As you seem to be a relative newcomer to the sport, i can understand it Is very daunting to start a new sport / hobby and fully comprehend the community that exists. The community, and yourself seem to want the same thing, and that is to enjoy the sport in a safe environment. Your hijacking another thread to post your own experience, demonstrated the passion other parties have for their chosen sport. We all want to see the success and freedom of the sport. In NSW I have seen the successful ban of jet skiers to certain waterways, which almost destroyed the industry overnight, due to a lot of show ponies. I don't jet ski, or ever have, but find it disappointing that commonsense, and a common voice (like an organization that speaks as one), could negotiate with a governing body, to preventing a ban to specific waterways.

Your experience with WAKSA or AKSA, seems to be only to be a new one with your opinions based upon the last weeks of posts, this certainly seems to be skewed with the emotional roller coaster ride.Safe kiting and responsibility is the underlining theme from the organizations, which seems like a sensible approach to me.

In your "peer reviewed"paper, it would be beneficial to have "experts" some of which have been posting In these pages to contribute rather than be left out. Poorly recognized experts within reviewing your papers will place greater scrutiny on the author, and contents, and will not be recognized as a credible source in the future.

I hope you do enjoy kiting, and the thrills of kiting surpass the negative feelings you a receiving on the page of these forums. We all love the sport, and hope you can embrace the same drive and passion in a way to assist in protecting the sport.

KR
laurie
laurie
WA
3889 posts
WA, 3889 posts
7 Jan 2011 11:59am
ok ok ok ok ... steady on folks!

He's different, thinks different, and has written to me saying he will not post anymore.

GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4103 posts
QLD, 4103 posts
7 Jan 2011 2:56pm
If I get it up to 5 pages on my own can I still claim getfunky's money?

No point asking a question here though, as no-one will be able to answer it.
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