Where is Ozone from, country wise?

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Puetz
Puetz
NT
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11 Sep 2013 10:23am
G'day all,

I was asked the other day where ozone kites are from and I wasn't sure, I know they are manufactured in Vietnam but are they a euro company? Ozone website contact details it looks like the phone number referrs to UK so does that mean they are English compay.

So, just wondering, where is Ozone from, country wise?

cheers,

Robbie
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
11 Sep 2013 10:56am
Give Steve at Kitepower a call. He is the Oz distributor and can give you everything you need to know Ozone wise
INTHELOOP
INTHELOOP
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1855 posts
QLD, 1855 posts
11 Sep 2013 11:03am
Ozone headquarters is in Raglan New Zealand. Ozone own their own factory in Vietnam where they manufacture Just in Time.
Puetz
Puetz
NT
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NT, 2186 posts
11 Sep 2013 10:39am
... cool as, thanks!! or should I have said cool as bro??
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
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VIC, 5124 posts
11 Sep 2013 1:15pm
Ozone as a corporation is kind of multi-national. They're originally from the UK and the managing director is still there. The paragliding arm is in France. The kiting arm is in NZ and the manufacturing base for everything is in Vietnam.
NSW, 4382 posts
11 Sep 2013 2:19pm
Ozone Kites Ltd is owned by 3 Brits, one lives in the UK, one in Vietnam, and one in NZ. Company Head office is in France, but there is an office in the UK, and the Company is UK registered and based. I'm the company rep in Australia. Kite Division founder and owner lives in NZ. Product is manufactured in and shipped from 100% Ozone owned facility located in Vietnam.
Why? Is there something I can help you with?
Puetz
Puetz
NT
2186 posts
NT, 2186 posts
11 Sep 2013 2:48pm
... nah nothing, I was asked the question by a newbie the other day and was just making sure i wasn't bullsh!ting is all!

Thanks!!

cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
11 Sep 2013 3:22pm
Another planet
FromSAtoAus
FromSAtoAus
WA
43 posts
WA, 43 posts
11 Sep 2013 3:39pm
Actually, i found that quite interesting. Can anyone indulge me by telling me about North - who owns them, where are they made etc. I looked it up on the website but didn't find anything.
NSQ
NSQ
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NSQ NSQ
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11 Sep 2013 3:54pm
North Kiteboarding is owned by german company Boards & More, who also own Fanatic (windsurf, SUP), ION and North Sails.
Their Kites are manufactured in their own factory in Sri Lanka, the boards in Austria.
Big eeeZeee
Big eeeZeee
NSW
1100 posts
NSW, 1100 posts
11 Sep 2013 6:10pm
so one tell me why ozone release all their gear much later than the competition? Wouldn't they be missing out on sales to some extent?!
eppo
eppo
WA
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WA, 9790 posts
11 Sep 2013 4:57pm
Steve said he does have a theory on it but won't say until it is confirmed. Yeh that puzzles me somewhat. I had two kites on sea breeze that sat there for a while but have both moved now things are ramping up. I know five guys including myself who are set for the season. Scratching my head on that one too big eeeze. Even some demos flying around would have been very useful. Then crew might wait until they actually come out.
toppleover
toppleover
QLD
2070 posts
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11 Sep 2013 8:07pm
eppo said..

Steve said he does have a theory on it but won't say until it is confirmed. Yeh that puzzles me somewhat. I had two kites on sea breeze that sat there for a while but have both moved now things are ramping up. I know five guys including myself who are set for the season. Scratching my head on that one too big eeeze. Even some demos flying around would have been very useful. Then crew might wait until they actually come out.



Same here, I've been searching the net for any info on the new Reo but found sweet FA. So now have ordered new kites and set for the season (will be keeping my trusty Reo,s until satisfied with the new editions).

I,m thinking Ozone are just not ready yet?
Big eeeZeee
Big eeeZeee
NSW
1100 posts
NSW, 1100 posts
11 Sep 2013 8:50pm
nah, I believe it's in their "grand" plan. Something to do with helping out the dealerships
NSW, 4382 posts
11 Sep 2013 9:25pm
There is a plan, and its not to fill forums with trivial marketing spin and subsequently put unwanted pressure on the Ozone design, R&D and manufacturing divisions.
Ozone are just different to any other brand out there. As far as I know, no other brands own their own manufacturing plants, that manufacture exclusively for that brand. Some use parts of a multi brand (OEM) plant, but thats a completely different set-up. The second thing that sets Ozone apart, is that they manufacture to individual order, based on the Just In Time (JIT) business model. Ozone do not manufacture and stockpile large amounts of stock, 6-12 months in advance of release dates, this is how other brands get to leak news of new models, the stock was planned 12 months earlier and are sitting in warehouses already.
Finally, Ozone only manufacture kites and paragliders, they do not manufacture boards, windsurf gear, SUP's, harnesses, etc, etc. They just don't have the same marketing budget, and prefer to spend on good team and great web content.
Due to the JIT manufacturing system, Ozone can release only 1 model at a time, starting with the Reo this year. This will be followed by the Cat, then C4, etc.
There are some distinct advantages to the JIT model and of course some downsides, like the one some of you have mentioned above. One of the big plusses is that Ozone can fine tune their construction and designs, always improving, every part of the design and manufacturing process. This is not possible with the traditional model most brands use, these brands make 1-5/10 thousand kites at a time, if there is a fault or weakness in the design, nothing can be changed until the next season or production run. I think we can all remember kites/brands that have had problems that affected an entire seasons product?

Ozone is a unique brand within the industry, unique in that it uses a manufacturing system that is entirely different to the rest of the industry, a design team that has a unique heritage and world champion (dual world champ) designer status in a related design field (paragliding wing design), exclusively manufacture in their own facility, etc, etc.
WA Surf & Foil
WA Surf & Foil
WA
250 posts
WA, 250 posts
11 Sep 2013 7:43pm
Well pointed out Steve.

PS: season hasn't even started yet Eppo, what was the rush???
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
11 Sep 2013 7:48pm
Big eeeZeee said..

so one tell me why ozone release all their gear much later than the competition? Wouldn't they be missing out on sales to some extent?!


In what sense would they be missing out??? I mean, why do people necessarily want or need to buy equipment as soon as "brand A" releases what they believe to be "2014" equipment... as far as I'm aware, 2014 equipment would mean gear released in 2014, not half way through 2013. Every year it seems to get earlier and it's just stupid really. Not to mention the season hasn't even begun yet, so what's the rush? Especially so in the rest of the world.
Also as Steve points out, everything Ozone does is ready just in time, including all R&D that is done up to the last moments. Where as other brands are finishing a whole equipment line almost a year in advance, this means that the "2014" gear and developments they are delivering you is at least half a year (if not a year) old before it even hits the shelves (2012).

You can make your own mind up on this, but personally I would rather wait another month or so to get a better product from Ozone. We have all done it before, bought something because it's the newest thing out and then been totally shattered when a month or two later a competitior comes out with a far superior product, I wouldn't want that happening .
Big eeeZeee
Big eeeZeee
NSW
1100 posts
NSW, 1100 posts
11 Sep 2013 10:04pm
sir ROWDY said..

Big eeeZeee said..

so one tell me why ozone release all their gear much later than the competition? Wouldn't they be missing out on sales to some extent?!


In what sense would they be missing out??? I mean, why do people necessarily want or need to buy equipment as soon as "brand A" releases what they believe to be "2014" equipment... as far as I'm aware, 2014 equipment would mean gear released in 2014, not half way through 2013. Every year it seems to get earlier and it's just stupid really. Not to mention the season hasn't even begun yet, so what's the rush? Especially so in the rest of the world.
Also as Steve points out, everything Ozone does is ready just in time, including all R&D that is done up to the last moments. Where as other brands are finishing a whole equipment line almost a year in advance, this means that the "2014" gear and developments they are delivering you is at least half a year (if not a year) old before it even hits the shelves (2012).

You can make your own mind up on this, but personally I would rather wait another month or so to get a better product from Ozone. We have all done it before, bought something because it's the newest thing out and then been totally shattered when a month or two later a competitior comes out with a far superior product, I wouldn't want that happening .


Hey, i ride ozone for performance and QUALITY, so you don't need to tell me Rowdy.

I'm sure they would miss out on sales (toppleover being a prime example) because people love the "LATEST & GREATEST" even if it means a new paint job. You can't deny that tweak.
eppo
eppo
WA
9790 posts
WA, 9790 posts
11 Sep 2013 8:07pm
Hey well explained Steve, that makes sense now.
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
11 Sep 2013 8:13pm
toppleover said..

eppo said..

Steve said he does have a theory on it but won't say until it is confirmed. Yeh that puzzles me somewhat. I had two kites on sea breeze that sat there for a while but have both moved now things are ramping up. I know five guys including myself who are set for the season. Scratching my head on that one too big eeeze. Even some demos flying around would have been very useful. Then crew might wait until they actually come out.



Same here, I've been searching the net for any info on the new Reo but found sweet FA. So now have ordered new kites and set for the season (will be keeping my trusty Reo,s until satisfied with the new editions).

I,m thinking Ozone are just not ready yet?

I got a 2014 reo delivered yesterday but probably won't be able to fly it till the weekend. I haven't laid it over a 2013 but it looks big, has a bit more reinforcing mainly between the struts and canopy and of coarse different one pump connectors. Biggest surprise was small soft batterns along the trailing edge
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
11 Sep 2013 8:17pm
They do love the latest and greatest, but lets be honest most people always wait to see all options before making a purchase. As I mentioned, who wants to buy one new thing only to be laughed at a month or so later when a better product emerges.

This whole "2014" launch brands do is just stupid anyway, as I said it gets earlier and earlier every year, soon they will be releasing 2016 before 2015 has even started... Where do you draw the line? The focus shouldn't be on the year model number anyway, it should be on the performance it delivers. People get hyped over the stupidest ****.

Makes me think maybe Ozone should just quit making 2014 gear and instead label it "2015 LTD ED PRO" pre-release only .
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
11 Sep 2013 9:01pm
whats the point in buying something 2014 when you havnt scratched the surface of a say a 2012s capabilities,, i personally dont get wrapped up in all this bull****, but if it makes you feel a better rider and you look better in all the latest gear go for it, imho i carnt see the point
Underoath
Underoath
QLD
2434 posts
QLD, 2434 posts
11 Sep 2013 11:57pm
cauncy said..

whats the point in buying something 2014 when you havnt scratched the surface of a say a 2012s capabilities,, i personally dont get wrapped up in all this bull****, but if it makes you feel a better rider and you look better in all the latest gear go for it, imho i carnt see the point


It's awesome buying last years kites for 500 bucks.


:)
Puetz
Puetz
NT
2186 posts
NT, 2186 posts
12 Sep 2013 8:59am
TurtleHunter said..
toppleover said..



eppo said..



Steve said he does have a theory on it but won't say until it is confirmed. Yeh that puzzles me somewhat. I had two kites on sea breeze that sat there for a while but have both moved now things are ramping up. I know five guys including myself who are set for the season. Scratching my head on that one too big eeeze. Even some demos flying around would have been very useful. Then crew might wait until they actually come out.






Same here, I've been searching the net for any info on the new Reo but found sweet FA. So now have ordered new kites and set for the season (will be keeping my trusty Reo,s until satisfied with the new editions).



I,m thinking Ozone are just not ready yet?


I got a 2014 reo delivered yesterday but probably won't be able to fly it till the weekend. I haven't laid it over a 2013 but it looks big, has a bit more reinforcing mainly between the struts and canopy and of coarse different one pump connectors. Biggest surprise was small soft batterns along the trailing edge


... got any pics?
Kozzie
Kozzie
QLD
1451 posts
QLD, 1451 posts
12 Sep 2013 10:32am
NSQ said..

North Kiteboarding is owned by german company Boards & More, who also own Fanatic (windsurf, SUP), ION and North Sails.
Their Kites are manufactured in their own factory in Sri Lanka, the boards in Austria.


its not there own factory. cores and zians allso made there. just different sections. intresting that the boards are austrian so is the owner/part owner of elements and zian. maybe thats why there all buddy

i didnt know ion and north were under same flag to that was good to know
Kozzie
Kozzie
QLD
1451 posts
QLD, 1451 posts
12 Sep 2013 10:41am
Kitepower Australia said..

There is a plan, and its not to fill forums with trivial marketing spin and subsequently put unwanted pressure on the Ozone design, R&D and manufacturing divisions.
Ozone are just different to any other brand out there. As far as I know, no other brands own their own manufacturing plants, that manufacture exclusively for that brand. Some use parts of a multi brand (OEM) plant, but thats a completely different set-up. The second thing that sets Ozone apart, is that they manufacture to individual order, based on the Just In Time (JIT) business model. Ozone do not manufacture and stockpile large amounts of stock, 6-12 months in advance of release dates, this is how other brands get to leak news of new models, the stock was planned 12 months earlier and are sitting in warehouses already.
Finally, Ozone only manufacture kites and paragliders, they do not manufacture boards, windsurf gear, SUP's, harnesses, etc, etc. They just don't have the same marketing budget, and prefer to spend on good team and great web content.
Due to the JIT manufacturing system, Ozone can release only 1 model at a time, starting with the Reo this year. This will be followed by the Cat, then C4, etc.
There are some distinct advantages to the JIT model and of course some downsides, like the one some of you have mentioned above. One of the big plusses is that Ozone can fine tune their construction and designs, always improving, every part of the design and manufacturing process. This is not possible with the traditional model most brands use, these brands make 1-5/10 thousand kites at a time, if there is a fault or weakness in the design, nothing can be changed until the next season or production run. I think we can all remember kites/brands that have had problems that affected an entire seasons product?

Ozone is a unique brand within the industry, unique in that it uses a manufacturing system that is entirely different to the rest of the industry, a design team that has a unique heritage and world champion (dual world champ) designer status in a related design field (paragliding wing design), exclusively manufacture in their own facility, etc, etc.


as a fellow glider i highly rate ozone as well.

but i read in a magazine other day....one your sans souci store sent me with my new kite :P that RRD allso have a trickle effect as far as product releases go and only release products as they have been improved on greatly etc etc. seems quite simular to the JIT system you mention with ozone.

i allways assumed ozone releases were staggerd and different because they transferd over there paraglider wing restrictions (haveing to be test flown aproved etc etc huge rigmorol before can be produced to sell)

so are you saying ozone dont go thru the same level of testing with there kites as they do with there wings?
NSW, 4382 posts
12 Sep 2013 7:55pm
^^^ Yes they do go through the same rigorous testing procedures, this is one of the main reasons why the new push away release took so long, and why some other features of their equipment have taken a while to get to the public release stage. Its also why information about new stuff is highly restricted, so that the test, design and R&D team are not under pressure to push something through that is not thoroughly tested to the highest standards.

I can't speak for RRD, but I'm almost certain they are manufacured in one of the large OEM factories in China, Sri Lanka or Thailand, in large batches. This is very, very different to the way every product made by Ozone is manufactured. When a dealer places an order in the Ozone online order system, the factory recieves it and then the order is broken into all the individual parts, parts are assigned to individual serial numbers, and eventually assembled into the finished product. Give me a serial number of any Ozone and I can tell you exactly when it was manufactured, when it was shipped, on which invoice, and which dealer it was delivered to and when. Ozone do not hold stock, they build to order, this is why they have staggered model releases, if they tried to release 5 models at once, the manufacturing times would blow out to several weeks, and the system would not work. Normally factory lead times are 10 -15 days.
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5124 posts
VIC, 5124 posts
12 Sep 2013 8:35pm
I read the interview with Roberto Ricci in Kiteworld issue 54. I go the impression that he was happy to continuously change and refine things during the lifecycle of the product. He did not need to wait for a new product range to put improvements in place.

Ozone make to order but the design and features of the products remain constant during the life of the product range.
Glokite
Glokite
WA
119 posts
WA, 119 posts
12 Sep 2013 6:45pm
Interesting topic, I think production has to slow down eventually as they start to release products two years then maybe longer like cars, coz eventually it has to get to a point where you can only do so much right??
Big eeeZeee
Big eeeZeee
NSW
1100 posts
NSW, 1100 posts
12 Sep 2013 10:05pm
Wrong. As long as you can change a colour of a kite there will always be next years model.
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5124 posts
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12 Sep 2013 11:46pm
You have to bring out a new model every year because everybody else's product is improving. Who going to buy your two year old model and pay full price for it when they can get something newer and better somewhere else?
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