Waist harness that won't slip upwards?

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Jimmyz
Jimmyz
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22 Sep 2010 1:27am
Hi all,

I've been getting the sh##s with my harness... it's terrible, I end sessions because my ribs are getting crushed and the spreader bar is pressing into my sternum.

Any suggestions for a good waist harness that won't slip up the my chest? Or is it a matter of just trying many out and picking the best fitting one?

No, not keen for the seat.
buzingfridge
buzingfridge
WA
147 posts
WA, 147 posts
21 Sep 2010 11:50pm


Have you looked at a impact vest harness, ???

A buddy of mine rides one full time and swears by it. Otherwise try on as many as possible. Personally I found flying objects the best fit but lacked slightly in construction (that was 08/09 season may now be better). I currently use a pat love that is tough in construction but it does ride more than the flying objects. If you dont flog your gear as I do i would reconmend a flying objects for snugness.... Now you have got me thinking now about a new harness ... dam it !!!!
orynoco
orynoco
QLD
271 posts
QLD, 271 posts
22 Sep 2010 7:31am
I had a mystic warrior 2 harness and bought a Flying objects flight control harness. Wish i had done it years ago
Marvin
Marvin
WA
725 posts
WA, 725 posts
22 Sep 2010 5:57am
FYI - my XL Cabrinha impact vest harness for sale in windsurfing accessories - never rides up - I'm selling it because I've got too big for it (all muscle, honest)
zondi
zondi
QLD
34 posts
QLD, 34 posts
22 Sep 2010 8:59am
You need to try as many harnesses as possible.I ended up with the North Styler. Perfect fit, never have to adjust while riding.
bjw
bjw
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22 Sep 2010 9:13am
My harness never rides up and I wear it loose. But Ive read other people saying my exact harness rides up on them.

So different body shaped will fit with different harnesses. Best bet try heaps of different ones until one feels perfect. Don't let someone recommend what is best for them though!

Failing that wear a G-string over the top of it. That'll keep it lower.
Sir V
Sir V
QLD
490 posts
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22 Sep 2010 9:41am
Hey I had the same problem.. then I went to Kitepower and tried the Pat Love brand. They have a swivel on the spreader bar attachement and this means the bar and pad move but the harness stays in place. There is no pain associated with the movement and I've been the happiest camper since :)

I was undecided between the 'Cast' or the 'Quest'.. they're both very good and it is a matter of preference depending on your body shape.

I'll swear by Pat Love as I had tried everything and just could get the right fit. Follow the advices above - try them all, take your time until it fits right. Listen to the shop's advice but remember .. you're the one wearing it :)

V
bjw
bjw
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22 Sep 2010 10:29am
Sir V - you forgot to recommend if all fails -
the G string on top will work.
radman4
radman4
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678 posts
22 Sep 2010 9:34am
Look for one with the rubber internal padding they are way grippier than the ones with neopreen or material padding,mystic,naish both do real nice ones for 010-011.
Dont know about the g-string idea though,but dont knock it till you try it i suppose,bet it gives you a massive wedgie in 30+ though.
koma
koma
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760 posts
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22 Sep 2010 1:07pm
Have you looked at when and how the harness is riding up?
Is it when your boosting, or just riding around, or trying and failing tricks? It could just be as simple as adjusting your technique or accepting that certain things are going to make any harness ride up. Tried doing it up tighter?

I've been a big fan of the Mystic Warriors as they have the lower strap that keeps the spreader bar down. I've spent a bit of time using the ION Apex and found it to be exceptionally comfortable but as it's only a single strap it tended to move up occasionally. They're the only two harnesses i've ridden on multiple occasions, but i'd say that the second lower strap and a good fit would help fix your problem.
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
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22 Sep 2010 2:34pm
This might do the job. The new north waist harnesses with leg straps

I have the same issue, had to go to boardshorts eventually because my chest is smaller than a gonad in cold water.





Jono
Jono
WA
50 posts
WA, 50 posts
22 Sep 2010 1:09pm
Just get a seat harness
meerkat
meerkat
WA
644 posts
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22 Sep 2010 1:22pm
Saffer said...

This might do the job. The new north waist harnesses with leg straps

I have the same issue, had to go to boardshorts eventually because my chest is smaller than a gonad in cold water.








What mardi gras as those from?
the gibbo
the gibbo
WA
776 posts
WA, 776 posts
22 Sep 2010 1:59pm
i had the same prob when starting out(i am a stick man) , so bought the seat, super comfy and stays put

whats the prob with a seat, have heard limits movement somewhat, cant see how really

can someone explain ??
djoblin
djoblin
99 posts
99 posts
22 Sep 2010 6:24pm
hi not pimiping or anything but i have tryed a fair few harnesses, had a Warrior 2 just recently and then tryed the Prolimit hadlow pro, its the nuts no movement and very little bar lift as well.

Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
22 Sep 2010 9:34pm
bjw said...

My harness never rides up and I wear it loose. But Ive read other people saying my exact harness rides up on them.

So different body shaped will fit with different harnesses. Best bet try heaps of different ones until one feels perfect. Don't let someone recommend what is best for them though!

Failing that wear a G-string over the top of it. That'll keep it lower.


I got to say I am fairly thin and wear my harness pretty loose I think a lot of harness riding up issues can be fixed with technique changes. For starters riding with you kite low will pretty much stop any riding up even if it is super (hate that british adverb) very loose.

It is generally beginners or people that boost a lot who complain about harness riding up because the kite spends a lot of the time high in the window making the harness ride up. I think it has to do with many people learning on bow kites these days and use the de-power bar to kill power instead of kite low and edging. Also I find with a looser fit harness it has less of a crushing feeling and if it does start to ride up a little its easy to put the kite low and push it back down.

Maybe something to think about. Also just re-reading the first post again about the spreader bar getting crushed into the sternum, this is definitely a syndrome associate with the kite spending long times in the top of the window.

Hope this helps.
BennyB12
BennyB12
QLD
918 posts
QLD, 918 posts
22 Sep 2010 10:42pm
would you class the boardshort harness as a seat harness? Ive never worn one but the idea of wearin a pair of boardies with a spreader bar attatched to the front doesnt seem like that bad an idea...(as long as they were stylin boardies of course) Dont wanna start a cool/uncool debate here, just points for function...oi...
Jimmyz
Jimmyz
NSW
446 posts
NSW, 446 posts
23 Sep 2010 1:55am
Spacemonkey! said...

bjw said...

My harness never rides up and I wear it loose. But Ive read other people saying my exact harness rides up on them.

So different body shaped will fit with different harnesses. Best bet try heaps of different ones until one feels perfect. Don't let someone recommend what is best for them though!

Failing that wear a G-string over the top of it. That'll keep it lower.


I got to say I am fairly thin and wear my harness pretty loose I think a lot of harness riding up issues can be fixed with technique changes. For starters riding with you kite low will pretty much stop any riding up even if it is super (hate that british adverb) very loose.

It is generally beginners or people that boost a lot who complain about harness riding up because the kite spends a lot of the time high in the window making the harness ride up. I think it has to do with many people learning on bow kites these days and use the de-power bar to kill power instead of kite low and edging. Also I find with a looser fit harness it has less of a crushing feeling and if it does start to ride up a little its easy to put the kite low and push it back down.

Maybe something to think about. Also just re-reading the first post again about the spreader bar getting crushed into the sternum, this is definitely a syndrome associate with the kite spending long times in the top of the window.

Hope this helps.


You are right about the boosting, however on the water I was edging hard (I had to or else I'd be flying to kingdom come and boosting nowhere) and in fact the harness was pulled down onto my hips while I was on the water before I boosted.

The only problem was that as soon as I boost it pulls right up to my chest and stays there... just one boost does the trick and no matter how hard I edge and wriggle upwards in my harness it fails to come back down.

Also the thing is that once the kite is pulling at chest height it also take more energy to edge properly because it's more difficult to 'lean into it'.

Then again I do weigh 107kg and I do boost all day long... any harness is going to have to work twice as hard to stay put...

I think at the end of the day I just have a crap harness :(

The North Harness does look a bit fruity... but I like the idea, no slippage on that thing!
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
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23 Sep 2010 2:01am
Jimmyz back in the day before depower, kite next to the water and hard edging was how you killed power. Your probably not used to it since most kiters these days rely a fair bit on the bar depower to save their bacon. If you are overpowered the best place to have your kite is right next to the water to handle it. It may feel like more of a pull but your won't get pulled off your edge or get taken downwind on a speed run like you do with your kite higher. It sounds like you may have a slight harness problem though on top of things.

It's free to try to change your technique though.
NickT
NickT
WA
1094 posts
WA, 1094 posts
23 Sep 2010 6:27am
Hey Jimmy, i've been having the same problem for a while now myself.
i have had a pat love cast and a cabrinha deluxe ( although the deluxe is too small) and both ride up. after a few jumps the spreader bar has ridden up and the harness to, just can't get it tight enough. Think i am going to get the new LF comp as the spreader bar has the hold down strap. same as warrior II and Hadlow i think.

I think someone needs to work out a better way of cinching these harnesses up.
myusernam
myusernam
QLD
6158 posts
QLD, 6158 posts
23 Sep 2010 9:10am
Jimmyz said...

Spacemonkey! said...

bjw said...

My harness never rides up and I wear it loose. But Ive read other people saying my exact harness rides up on them.

So different body shaped will fit with different harnesses. Best bet try heaps of different ones until one feels perfect. Don't let someone recommend what is best for them though!

Failing that wear a G-string over the top of it. That'll keep it lower.


I got to say I am fairly thin and wear my harness pretty loose I think a lot of harness riding up issues can be fixed with technique changes. For starters riding with you kite low will pretty much stop any riding up even if it is super (hate that british adverb) very loose.

It is generally beginners or people that boost a lot who complain about harness riding up because the kite spends a lot of the time high in the window making the harness ride up. I think it has to do with many people learning on bow kites these days and use the de-power bar to kill power instead of kite low and edging. Also I find with a looser fit harness it has less of a crushing feeling and if it does start to ride up a little its easy to put the kite low and push it back down.

Maybe something to think about. Also just re-reading the first post again about the spreader bar getting crushed into the sternum, this is definitely a syndrome associate with the kite spending long times in the top of the window.

Hope this helps.



Then again I do weigh 107kg


just pull a fat roll up out of the harness so you have a muffin top - that will stop it riding up;)
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
23 Sep 2010 12:21pm
NickT said...

Hey Jimmy, i've been having the same problem for a while now myself.
i have had a pat love cast and a cabrinha deluxe ( although the deluxe is too small) and both ride up. after a few jumps the spreader bar has ridden up and the harness to, just can't get it tight enough. Think i am going to get the new LF comp as the spreader bar has the hold down strap. same as warrior II and Hadlow i think.

I think someone needs to work out a better way of cinching these harnesses up.


I seriously don't think that having a tighter harness will help. I wear mine almost loose enough that it could pivot around me. Having it that tight will just make you more sore. Like I said in 95% of the cases I reckon its a technique thing.
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
23 Sep 2010 11:00am
listen to the monkey.
squidbert
squidbert
QLD
19 posts
QLD, 19 posts
23 Sep 2010 5:13pm
Had the same problem, got a seat harness problem solved
stabber
stabber
NSW
1114 posts
NSW, 1114 posts
23 Sep 2010 5:20pm
seat harness just moves the problem from one area to another....a bit like liposuction!
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
23 Sep 2010 4:18pm
Yeah, the problem area moving from "my ribs are sore because I can't kite properly" to "I look like a complete rookie taking a dump".
squidbert
squidbert
QLD
19 posts
QLD, 19 posts
23 Sep 2010 7:17pm
Yeah, the problem area moving from "my ribs are sore because I can't kite properly" to "I look like a complete rookie taking a dump".


Yeah sums me up. Dont care what I look like, as long as I can breathe and be comfortable so I can have some fun. For me its about being able to relax and enjoy what i'm doing rather than thinking about my waist harness all the time. might be worth a try.
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
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23 Sep 2010 5:22pm
How about spending 0$ and fixing the problem at the smae time?
There are worse scenarios than just looking like a rookie with a seat harnes to, I wouldn't like to think what catching a nut in there would feel like.
Burney
Burney
9 posts
9 posts
23 Sep 2010 9:04pm
Yeah, the problem area moving from "my ribs are sore because I can't kite properly" to "I look like a complete rookie taking a dump".

I been kiting for a few years and enjoy the surf and boosting. I've used a few harnesses but i've gone back to the seat. Feels great, no issuses doing tricks generally good all round. Not sure about lookin like a rookie taken a dump but for me image is not an issue.
Jimmyz
Jimmyz
NSW
446 posts
NSW, 446 posts
24 Sep 2010 2:46am
myusernam said...

Jimmyz said...

Spacemonkey! said...

bjw said...

My harness never rides up and I wear it loose. But Ive read other people saying my exact harness rides up on them.

So different body shaped will fit with different harnesses. Best bet try heaps of different ones until one feels perfect. Don't let someone recommend what is best for them though!

Failing that wear a G-string over the top of it. That'll keep it lower.


I got to say I am fairly thin and wear my harness pretty loose I think a lot of harness riding up issues can be fixed with technique changes. For starters riding with you kite low will pretty much stop any riding up even if it is super (hate that british adverb) very loose.

It is generally beginners or people that boost a lot who complain about harness riding up because the kite spends a lot of the time high in the window making the harness ride up. I think it has to do with many people learning on bow kites these days and use the de-power bar to kill power instead of kite low and edging. Also I find with a looser fit harness it has less of a crushing feeling and if it does start to ride up a little its easy to put the kite low and push it back down.

Maybe something to think about. Also just re-reading the first post again about the spreader bar getting crushed into the sternum, this is definitely a syndrome associate with the kite spending long times in the top of the window.

Hope this helps.



Then again I do weigh 107kg


just pull a fat roll up out of the harness so you have a muffin top - that will stop it riding up;)


Nope... this is a case of too MUCH time at the gym... not too little.

Kinda wishing I had a beer gut when I'm on the kite, I'd have no problems!

Oh and I bought a wettie the other day... also has a space around my stomach... why do they make these things for fat people!
Jimmyz
Jimmyz
NSW
446 posts
NSW, 446 posts
24 Sep 2010 2:51am
Spacemonkey! said...

Jimmyz back in the day before depower, kite next to the water and hard edging was how you killed power. Your probably not used to it since most kiters these days rely a fair bit on the bar depower to save their bacon. If you are overpowered the best place to have your kite is right next to the water to handle it. It may feel like more of a pull but your won't get pulled off your edge or get taken downwind on a speed run like you do with your kite higher. It sounds like you may have a slight harness problem though on top of things.

It's free to try to change your technique though.


I had a 13m, 25 knts, 148, not edging was never an option for me on that day :P

I don't have a bow and I know to keep the kite low and I was edging very very hard trying to 'wriggle' up... its more than I can't get the harness back down on my body once it seems to latch onto my upper back/lower chest after a boost!

I am kindof triangular... not trying to brag once again, but it does stick on my upper body.

Btw doing it up tighter... does nothing to help, it just sticks harder.
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