WHAT'S THE BEST WAVE KITE?

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howea
howea
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2 Aug 2010 7:00pm
What's the best 12m kite to surf with at the moment?
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
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2 Aug 2010 6:50pm
A 7m anything
kiting kid
kiting kid
VIC
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2 Aug 2010 9:58pm
not worth buying a 12m kite for surf

might aswell just buy a new surfboard
Mr float
Mr float
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2 Aug 2010 10:35pm
jeez ,how long's a piece of string (haven't we done this one before?)
gruezi
gruezi
WA
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2 Aug 2010 10:24pm
If you need to ask, you are not ready.
theDoctor
theDoctor
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3 Aug 2010 9:59am
slingshot link
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
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3 Aug 2010 8:39am
kiting kid said...

not worth buying a 12m kite for surf

might aswell just buy a new surfboard


I don't get this mentallity, how so? In my opinion riding a 12m with a surfboard ****s all over riding a 7m for the following reasons:

1. The wind is steadier usually at this strength, better for doing something good like UNhooking and UNstrapping.
2. The waves usually aren't completely blown out and show some sort of form.
3. The kite doesn't spin all over the place like a stunt kite when your trying to keep it steady and hit the lip.
cwamit
cwamit
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3 Aug 2010 8:58am
sir ROWDY said...

kiting kid said...

not worth buying a 12m kite for surf

might aswell just buy a new surfboard


I don't get this mentallity, how so? In my opinion riding a 12m with a surfboard ****s all over riding a 7m for the following reasons:

1. The wind is steadier usually at this strength, better for doing something good like UNhooking and UNstrapping.
2. The waves usually aren't completely blown out and show some sort of form.
3. The kite doesn't spin all over the place like a stunt kite when your trying to keep it steady and hit the lip.



1. true but if its slight offshore then more wind usualy equals more consistancy , offshore has more holes in the wind so larger kites fall faster in the holes that drop the wind lower than a high wind day.

2. slight offshore and more wind helps with the waves as you would know if you surf.

3. easy fixed with small kites, just hold your hands close to the bar center. try it someday


sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
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3 Aug 2010 9:24am
cwamit said...

1. true but if its slight offshore then more wind usualy equals more consistancy , offshore has more holes in the wind so larger kites fall faster in the holes that drop the wind lower than a high wind day.

2. slight offshore and more wind helps with the waves as you would know if you surf.

3. easy fixed with small kites, just hold your hands close to the bar center. try it someday





1. larger kites float better and do not tend to fall out of the sky as easy as a 7m will in offshorish wind. Lower wind speeds have less of a range in the gusts compared to the average wind speed. It is actually a lot smoother flying in lighter wind.

2. Key word being "slight"... I dont think 7m offshore wind is going to help you surf.

3. That easy hey? Can't believe I didn't think of that...
GriffinKites
GriffinKites
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3 Aug 2010 4:22pm
ok, my 2c, some may disagree but from my experience.....

Not everyone lives where you can fly a 7m, but small kite big board is a better combo than a small board big kite.

A good surf kite over 7m is something low aspect with grunt and depower + fast turning. A lower AR in lighter winds gives more stability in down the line and less chance of luffing if its gusty or you under fly the kite. A lower AR can give better turning rotations on the wing tips for quick turns with plenty of depower so you dont get yanked off the wave. Low AR also gives plenty of grunt in lighter winds so you can power up when needed.

Most 7m 9m kites will turn fast enough, but when you get into 10m 11m kites a lower AR may be better.

Also, a 10m low AR can turn like a 9m but have the power of a 11.5 or some hi AR 12m kites. unless your 90kg or more, a 10 or 11 low AR is all you need from 13-14 knots. if your 100kg+ a 11.5 is the biggest you would need. Go over that size and your into light wind slower turning kites.

Hi AR kites go fast and have a wider turning circle, more top end and less low end grunt. most of the time....

TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
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3 Aug 2010 2:54pm
GriffinKites said...

ok, my 2c, some may disagree but from my experience.....

Not everyone lives where you can fly a 7m, but small kite big board is a better combo than a small board big kite.

A good surf kite over 7m is something low aspect with grunt and depower. This gives more stability in down the line and less chance of luffing if its gusty or you under fly the kite. Also lower AR gives better turning rotations on the wing tips for quick turns also with plenty of depower so you dont get yanked off the wave. Low AR also gives plenty of grunt so you can power up when needed. It depends on the kite and bridle setup the amount of depower you can get.

Also most 7m kites will turn fast enough, but when you get into 9m 10m 11m kites a lower AR would be better.

Also, a 10m low AR can turn like a 9m but have the power of a 11.5 or some hi AR 12m kites. unless your 90kg or more, a 10 or 11 low AR is all you need from 13-14 knots. if your 100kg+ a 11.5 is the biggest you would need. Go over that size and your into light wind slower turning kites.

Hi AR kites go fast and have a wider turning circle.

My advice would be a low AR kite with heaps of grunt and heaps of depower.




Wow thats some good advise for a forum
I suppose it all depends on your conditions but if I need a 12m kite then all it wants to do is fall out of the sky when on the wave.
I would suggest if the wind is that light go with a kite with the quickest relaunch.
GriffinKites
GriffinKites
NSW
201 posts
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3 Aug 2010 4:56pm
Low AR kites with curved LE are the easiest to relaunch, some almost auto relaunch. Hi AR (thin) kites with flat leading edges can be alot harder in light winds.
BennyB12
BennyB12
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3 Aug 2010 6:08pm
Rev2. Good answer....
howea
howea
NSW
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3 Aug 2010 9:21pm
OK, thanks,

Without being an expert on kite design, 85kgs, surfing all my life and kiting for the past 5 years using my 12m in 15-20kts, 9m 20-30knts I suppose I should be looking for a 10m low AR kite, is that right?

So only a couple of questions, and remember I'm no expert, what is AR?
I can hear you all laughing now. but seriously, its great advise but where I live there is only 2 of us that kite, so I'm not up with kiting abreviations.

Also, what kite/s have had the best reviews?
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
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3 Aug 2010 7:54pm
AR = Aspect Ratio

Back in the early days, company's always harped on about aspect ratio's because there was only 2 line and 4 line C kites (no SLE's as such) and the aspect ratio was a defining characteristic in whether a kite was going to be stable, have good upwind performance, boost well, etc etc...
Basically it went something like this,

High AR (greater than 5) = good boosting, good upwind, unstable, better depower (kite sits further forward) on/off power delivery, relaunch hard or impossible (especially in gusty wind)

Med AR (greater than 3 lower than 5) = Good alround kite, good for wakestyle, better for waves as it will drift back, good relaunch, Kite sits further back in the window compared to high AR, tends not to fall out of the sky as much, smoother power delivery, better for intermediate riders.

Low AR (3 and below) = Pretty much a beginner kite, resembles a beach ball, very stable, super easy relaunch, constant pull.
GriffinKites
GriffinKites
NSW
201 posts
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3 Aug 2010 10:03pm
re:

Low AR (3 and below) = Pretty much a beginner kite, resembles a beach ball, very stable, super easy relaunch, constant pull.

Low AR use to be no wind range, no depower, no jumping, but now with newer tech and depowerable bridles low AR can jump mighty high depower 99% ( virtual 5th line ) and suit beginners and pros. I call a AR 4.1 a low AR. I dont know of any kites using 3 AR on the market? Are there any?
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
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3 Aug 2010 8:06pm
I was actually referring to the old days (circa 2001), not what can be done now with the help of SLE and new designs... I thought I made that pretty obvious.

p.s. sorry I also forgot to add

Low AR = useless (remember the era I am talking about, such kites as the Wipika NSK etc...)
orynoco
orynoco
QLD
271 posts
QLD, 271 posts
3 Aug 2010 10:09pm
Wainman smoke, griffin argo, naish charger, north fuse. All simalar shaped kites and well suited for surf conditions.
the gibbo
the gibbo
WA
776 posts
WA, 776 posts
3 Aug 2010 9:03pm
what kite to buy?
Never ending confusing question/rider specific
Had guys raving(and shop owners) about certain kites and when you try, thier **** or you dont feel comfortable, try again
I am a very beginer/intermediate rider and i could tell what i didnt like, still didnt try enough of them, but got lucky, be patient

good info from the brains trust, wheres Alex Snanz video on this subject??

He must have one with hidden subliminel messages about wierd things to do on a 12"
richswing
richswing
WA
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3 Aug 2010 9:45pm
I love my medium aspect 7m NEW OS kite, I reckon I can get going in 18 to 20 knots at 92kg on a surfboard. Three struts and simple construction 5 liner but you can fly it 4 lines. Floats back nicely and recovers easily. Some may not like the 5th but I have not had a problem yet.

I prefer kites that you have to fly to generate power, don't fly it no power surf the wave, simple. I am always fighting my low aspect delta when trying to go upwind on a wave.

The Airush Vapour looks like a nice kite too.

Don't you think the latest kites are looking similar to the pre-Bow kites

(2005/6).

My 5 cents.

Cheers
Rich
bjw
bjw
QLD
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4 Aug 2010 9:25am
So which kite is the best wave kite?
kiter64
kiter64
WA
45 posts
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4 Aug 2010 9:34am
Really its a fair question , sure it gets asked regularly but then every year a whole new batch of kites come out with all new designs and what was good last year , there is now something better .......
bjw
bjw
QLD
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4 Aug 2010 1:40pm
So are you saying there isn't a best wave kite?
stamp
stamp
QLD
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4 Aug 2010 2:09pm
kiter64 said...

Really every year a whole new batch of kites come out with all new designs and what was good last year , there is now something better .......


sometimes designs are not better, they are simply change for its own sake
dave......
dave......
WA
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4 Aug 2010 12:11pm
Errr, I think its the kahoona?
bjw
bjw
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bjw bjw
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4 Aug 2010 2:38pm
dave...... said...

Errr, I think its the kahoona?


So are you saying the Best wave kite is the kahoona, or a you saying the best wave kite is the kahoona?

My head hurts.
Burls
Burls
209 posts
209 posts
4 Aug 2010 3:43pm
Maybe you wave gurus (Wish I was one ) could list the favourable characteristics to look for in a wave kite for us surf noobs, and maybe also list some examples of good wave kites?

Cheers

Burls
howea
howea
NSW
40 posts
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4 Aug 2010 6:58pm
Thanks Blurs, Thats the advice I'm after, apart from a medium AR what other features make up a good wave kite? The discussion on AR is great.

With the price of kites (and justified) you don't want to be going-in blind and trying things that just dont work for you. Sometimes it has to be done (and i've done it) but If you can surf and kite, and your kites holding you back from progressing and you dont know why, you need advice from someone thats been there before.

Surfing a wave, kite assisted is all I want to do with kiting now and I'm keen to give it a good-dig with the right equiptment, I just need to know what that is.

howea
howea
NSW
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4 Aug 2010 7:03pm
Sorry for calling you 'Blurs', Burls
Blownaway
Blownaway
QLD
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4 Aug 2010 7:49pm
12 Rpm is one of the best in the waves with out a doubt as to which one is the best
is up to you,go try a few !
stamp
stamp
QLD
2797 posts
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4 Aug 2010 9:55pm
everyone wants different things from a wavekite so you can't pin it down. it depends on how you want to ride and what your local conditions are like.

i like a slow kite in the waves so i can forget about it and concentrate on watching the face and know the kite will still just sit there and drift.
others like a quick kite so they can use it to snap big fast turns.
some like C kites, others SLE, some rate a 5th line, some just want a kite to get them back upwind and up the line, some want a fast relaunch.....you get the picture.
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