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sci
sci
WA
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sci sci
WA, 762 posts
23 Jan 2013 3:14pm
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The attached image showcases the short tack brilliantly. The rider at the back has taken his turn and has gone back for another run.

The rider in the foreground has just crashed his kite rode back 20M and has 'short tacked' the other rider essentially skipping the queue, dropping in.

If this was a wave you are snaking.

What are your experiences with this? I assume it affects freestyle, wave riders and just about all disciplines.
Chris_M
Chris_M
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2132 posts
23 Jan 2013 3:16pm
Somebody will give somebody the finger, no hard feelings?
SUPSurferQLD
SUPSurferQLD
QLD
334 posts
QLD, 334 posts
23 Jan 2013 5:20pm
not give a ****e and keep riding, avoiding any potential collisions, and keeping in mind this is a freestyle watersport not a main highway?
juicerider
juicerider
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
23 Jan 2013 3:34pm
It shows either ignorance, lack of situational awareness, or they just think their own tricks are so much more important than any one else's. Either way its just rude.
INTHELOOP
INTHELOOP
QLD
1855 posts
QLD, 1855 posts
23 Jan 2013 5:38pm
most people just dont know and aren't aware of it but some people do it on purpose which is really annoying.

Its part of a good attitude/etiquette not to short tack or charge at people.


ewan kite
ewan kite
VIC
928 posts
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23 Jan 2013 6:40pm
Chris_M said...
Somebody will give somebody the finger, no hard feelings?


nah dude if you had been there the last few weeks you would want to give this dude more than the bird ahhaha
Chris_M
Chris_M
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2132 posts
23 Jan 2013 3:42pm
ewan kite said...
Chris_M said...
Somebody will give somebody the finger, no hard feelings?


nah dude if you had been there the last few weeks you would want to give this dude more than the bird ahhaha


I don't mean the bird, I mean the finger, no lube. Works well but u gotta have a strong finger depending on how vigorously you work it.
ewan kite
ewan kite
VIC
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VIC, 928 posts
23 Jan 2013 6:43pm
Chris_M said...
ewan kite said...
Chris_M said...
Somebody will give somebody the finger, no hard feelings?


nah dude if you had been there the last few weeks you would want to give this dude more than the bird ahhaha


I don't mean the bird, I mean the finger, no lube. Works well but u gotta have a strong finger depending on how vigorously you work it.


let me know how it goes, yea?
Chris_M
Chris_M
2132 posts
2132 posts
23 Jan 2013 3:44pm
ewan kite said...
Chris_M said...
ewan kite said...
Chris_M said...
Somebody will give somebody the finger, no hard feelings?


nah dude if you had been there the last few weeks you would want to give this dude more than the bird ahhaha


I don't mean the bird, I mean the finger, no lube. Works well but u gotta have a strong finger depending on how vigorously you work it.


let me know how it goes, yea?


Ask Nick haha
davem207
davem207
VIC
138 posts
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23 Jan 2013 6:46pm
Try kiting in a small lagoon with aprox 30 other kiters, people running lessons, world champs throwing it around, and the rest of us just enjoying some flat warm shallow water, short tack what ever, its amazing how even with all the traffic we all enjoyed ourselves and didnt have kite nazis going off about "dropping in", get over it dude and be thankfull you have a place to kite anyway! SEE and AVOID.


Big eeeZeee
Big eeeZeee
NSW
1100 posts
NSW, 1100 posts
23 Jan 2013 8:30pm
^^^^ the noobs have no idea. You just keep mowing that grass
default
default
WA
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WA, 1255 posts
23 Jan 2013 5:45pm
the euro tack
Lambie
Lambie
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742 posts
QLD, 742 posts
23 Jan 2013 10:31pm
Crickey - I dont understand what you guys are talking about - I was out this arvo , turns out the two of us had to share the lake - mind you the lake is 10km X 15 km so we had to be careful !!!!!!!!!!!
Ok so this didnt add anything to the thread but maybe one day when I join the crowd I will understand the "issues" and be able to blend in. - thanks for the heads upon crowed space.
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
24 Jan 2013 12:16am
People that think short tacking, or cutting in doesn't matter are total kooks.
I'd like to see those same people that don't care, stand in a line for an ATM or a food store and get constantly cut in-front of, then when they get angry just be told "it doesn't matter, chill out"... I'm sure they would love it.

Lets be honest, the two biggest instigators at the pond this season are 2 french guys (one pictured) flying North. They obviously don't give a flying f#ck about others because they have been told several times by different people to pick up their game. Not only do they constantly short tack everyone, but they follow stupidly close behind others, effectively blocking them from doing a trick when they aren't even in-front... the point is, this behaviour is stupid, inconsiderate and dangerous to other riders. I have no tolerance for this.
I told one of these guys politely to F@#k off, after watching him repeatedly cut people off and nearly cause a serious accident the other day. If you witness some stupid behaviour like this I suggest you do the same thing.

It's sad that it's come to the point where riders almost need to "police" the place... but if you don't say anything no one will change or know the rules.

p.s.
I just feel bad for the few locals that are still left there, sorry if I got in your way at all!

dbabicwa
dbabicwa
WA
809 posts
WA, 809 posts
24 Jan 2013 3:47pm
Would be interesting to relate this tack with driving a car.

I recon how you drive a car, that's how you kite as well. Or sail, or ski or whatever.
NickT
NickT
WA
1094 posts
WA, 1094 posts
24 Jan 2013 8:56pm
So doughnuts in my car = kiteloops? And handbrake turns = landing blind?
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
24 Jan 2013 9:03pm
sir ROWDY said...
People that think short tacking, or cutting in doesn't matter are total kooks.
.....
Not only do they constantly short tack everyone, but they follow stupidly close behind others, effectively blocking them from doing a trick when they aren't even in-front... the point is, this behaviour is stupid, inconsiderate and dangerous to other riders. I have no tolerance for this.



Totally agree with sir ROWDY here.
WA has 2 x metro beaches for flat water antics. Its difficult enough to convince those who dont NEED flat water for advanced freestyle stuff to stay away - but - when the freestylers themselves break the rules its way beyond anything near acceptable.
How can you expect regular kiters to be reasonable and head to anyone of 100's of spots that are just as good for their all-rounder sessions if those that shpould be there cant do the right thing.

Kiters need constant reminding that the only reason we have "the Pond" available to us at all is because WAKSA (with huge cooperation of Windsurfing WA) convinced the council & all other interested parties that this site was 'hallowed ground' and would only be used by advanced kiters who would accept & follow the 'tribal laws'.
This includes - no teaching - no beginners - no freeriders and no freestylers who werent prepared to walk to the beach before rigging up & keep the peace once they had.

Without locals & genuine users 1) doing the right thing & 2) self regulating all other visitors YOU WILL LOSE 'the Pond'.
pomE
pomE
NSW
164 posts
NSW, 164 posts
25 Jan 2013 1:18am
After spending a while in Aus, I can safely conclude that kiters are without doubt the biggest whingers of anywhere else I've ever kited. Seriously. And this is from a "whinging", Pom(E)

"Noob", this and "Euro", that.....

e.g. Cape Town gets waaaaay more kiting traffic than anywhere in Aus, and I've rarely seen or heard of any of the locals take to the forums to wave their c0ck about or lambast the learners/ tourists. They'll just get on with it, sort out any differences on the water and leave the forums for the egotistic tools to have a cry.

If you're a decent enough kiter in the first place, you'll recognize and stay away from the hazards whether they be human, natural or man-made or at least be able to deal with them without bleating on a web forum.

Nor have I ever heard anyone bemoan a rider using his or her continental disposition for any reason
dbabicwa
dbabicwa
WA
809 posts
WA, 809 posts
25 Jan 2013 12:15am
NickT said...
So doughnuts in my car = kiteloops? And handbrake turns = landing blind?


Nope, tail gating = short tack, cutting ppl = the same, being agro = same, showing finger = same, not respecting road rules = same, not respecting anyone = same, not having patience with P platters = same, not taking lessons = same, not knowing road rules = same...Um, crashing into someone = same, not knowing when not to drive = same, knowing your limits = same.

We just need texting while kiting and that's it:)

More...? :)))

Now, someone who's driving and not as above is a perfect kiter:) Definitely not me!
Charl dv
Charl dv
WA
2485 posts
WA, 2485 posts
25 Jan 2013 1:20am
Sounds like we need to bring back BLOKEY's old trick with the two man tack. worked a treat last time we had a bunch of blow in ****s who continually ignored the rules and ignored our suggestions to follow the circuit.

two people tack together, one goes in front, flat out speed kite on the water. forces any on coming traffic to go down wind and gives a clear window for the rear rider to do their trick. turn around swap places and come back in. if annoyance is behind you then simply rear kiter drops kite to water level and slow right down. boom blocked out the short tacking ball bag
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
25 Jan 2013 1:49am
pomE said...
After spending a while in Aus, I can safely conclude that kiters are without doubt the biggest whingers of anywhere else I've ever kited. Seriously. And this is from a "whinging", Pom(E)

"Noob", this and "Euro", that.....

e.g. Cape Town gets waaaaay more kiting traffic than anywhere in Aus, and I've rarely seen or heard of any of the locals take to the forums to wave their c0ck about or lambast the learners/ tourists. They'll just get on with it, sort out any differences on the water and leave the forums for the egotistic tools to have a cry.

If you're a decent enough kiter in the first place, you'll recognize and stay away from the hazards whether they be human, natural or man-made or at least be able to deal with them without bleating on a web forum.

Nor have I ever heard anyone bemoan a rider using his or her continental disposition for any reason


Pretty ironic post no? .

Anyway, sometimes this stuff needs to be disscussed. I don't know all the locals there and most of the time we aren't all down the beach at the same moment. This is a perfect place to discuss a common problem and how to deal with it.

p.s. Sounds like you should do yourself a favor and only go to SA next year then .
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
25 Jan 2013 8:18am
pomE said...
After spending a while in Aus, I can safely conclude that kiters are without doubt the biggest whingers of anywhere else I've ever kited. Seriously. And this is from a "whinging", Pom(E)

"Noob", this and "Euro", that.....

e.g. Cape Town gets waaaaay more kiting traffic than anywhere in Aus, and I've rarely seen or heard of any of the locals take to the forums to wave their c0ck about or lambast the learners/ tourists. They'll just get on with it, sort out any differences on the water and leave the forums for the egotistic tools to have a cry.

If you're a decent enough kiter in the first place, you'll recognize and stay away from the hazards whether they be human, natural or man-made or at least be able to deal with them without bleating on a web forum.

Nor have I ever heard anyone bemoan a rider using his or her continental disposition for any reason


If you haven't heard to locals complain about euros, you haven't been to the right forum. ikiteboarding.com used to be the main one, it's died a slow death now but there were regularly run in's with euros on the beach including a couple of punch ups. What you see here is nothing.
rphi6876
rphi6876
29 posts
29 posts
25 Jan 2013 8:55am
I really dont see how this bothers you guys. The short tacker should ride in perform his trick and ride away long before the rider out the back gets there. How does that affect anybody. He is not cutting any queue - a queue suggests a bottle neck whereby the arrival rate is higher than the departure rate - this guy is going to an empty counter buying his goods and leaving well before any new customers arrives.

If he does prevent the rider out the back from doing a trick then I agree with all of you- but from the photo I just dont see it.

sci
sci
WA
762 posts
sci sci
WA, 762 posts
25 Jan 2013 9:23am
Similar to Surfing, Kitesurfing etiquette and rules are pretty loose and generally championed by those individuals that consider some of the following values:

Respect - Respecting your fellow rider regardless of their talent but of course respect begets respect right?

Awareness - Generally after surveying the spot, other riders and general flow of a spot you can join the 'flow' and do you part to keep things moving and communicate with others on the water. A nod of the head, a raise of the hand...

Attitude - This is where a lot of people fall down especially our main protagonist. This is fundamental on the water. With the wrong attitude you introduce stress, danger to others, anger and more...

Now i am not saying we should be the kite police or anything BUT a let people do what ever they like attitude will just not cut it.

Same in every sport! Without some mutual respect, awareness and a good attitude on the water we will digress and behave like animals. (Like our protagonist!) For those of you misinterpreting this post it is a discussion about kiting behaviour and how it affects other.

default
default
WA
1255 posts
WA, 1255 posts
25 Jan 2013 10:30am
pomE said...
After spending a while in Aus, I can safely conclude that kiters are without doubt the biggest whingers of anywhere else I've ever kited. Seriously. And this is from a "whinging", Pom(E)

"Noob", this and "Euro", that.....

e.g. Cape Town gets waaaaay more kiting traffic than anywhere in Aus, and I've rarely seen or heard of any of the locals take to the forums to wave their c0ck about or lambast the learners/ tourists. They'll just get on with it, sort out any differences on the water and leave the forums for the egotistic tools to have a cry.

If you're a decent enough kiter in the first place, you'll recognize and stay away from the hazards whether they be human, natural or man-made or at least be able to deal with them without bleating on a web forum.

Nor have I ever heard anyone bemoan a rider using his or her continental disposition for any reason


Sooo you're here to have a whinge about whingers lol

typical
Big eeeZeee
Big eeeZeee
NSW
1100 posts
NSW, 1100 posts
25 Jan 2013 6:30pm
rphi6876 said...
I really dont see how this bothers you guys. The short tacker should ride in perform his trick and ride away long before the rider out the back gets there. How does that affect anybody. He is not cutting any queue - a queue suggests a bottle neck whereby the arrival rate is higher than the departure rate - this guy is going to an empty counter buying his goods and leaving well before any new customers arrives.

If he does prevent the rider out the back from doing a trick then I agree with all of you- but from the photo I just dont see it.



Lets say the rider who short tacks throws his trick and crashes out and drops his kite. The rider who was cut in front off now can't perform his trick in the flats and now has to do another 'lap' to line up his trick again.
bene313
bene313
WA
1347 posts
WA, 1347 posts
25 Jan 2013 4:03pm
Consider the popular surf spots of the world...

If you consistently (or even just a couple of times) snake or drop in at places like J Bay, Kuta, Kirra, Sunset, etc, expect the locals to get punchy.

Not advocating violence but maybe kiting in WA just needs a healthy dose of localism.
marno
marno
WA
218 posts
WA, 218 posts
25 Jan 2013 5:37pm
.... drop in on a local at Pipeline, and the Wolfpack start a whistling, then it gets ugly. Result, not many locals get dropped in on at Pipeline.
Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
7279 posts
WA, 7279 posts
25 Jan 2013 6:43pm
Whooooaaa.

I can't wait until KingofthePoint reads this. With Australia day long weekend coming he will be on the grog just about now. Give it 6 stubbies and the fun will begin.

When a poley moans about kiters short tacking in the waves / surf / lineup / whatever you want to call it, you all squabble on about poleys taking ages to jibe, that alls fair in war and games, thats there are no rulz in the surf, that the poley was too slow, that wave was rightfully yours, that KOTP is a baldy or some other crappy excuse.

But - now you are doing it to each other suddenly it isn't right.

Maybe he ain't short tacking, maybe you are just kiting out to the shipping channel before you jibe ?????????


Paybacks a bitch right ??
Addikt
Addikt
WA
553 posts
WA, 553 posts
25 Jan 2013 8:52pm
NickT said...
So doughnuts in my car = kiteloops? And handbrake turns = landing blind?


I have a wobbly head what does that give ;)
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
25 Jan 2013 9:01pm
Love all these backseat enthusiasts that haven't even riden the spot to even understand what is going on... Makes for great entertainment though .
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