The Oceanus kitesurfing Reel Leash

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kiter77
kiter77
VIC
273 posts
VIC, 273 posts
2 Nov 2009 7:55pm
Used a retractable board leash for years never had any problems. I used 2 hair ties on the board as a sacrificial breaking point. Anything that is going to nail you will break the ties first.
KiteDevil
KiteDevil
TAS
778 posts
TAS, 778 posts
2 Nov 2009 8:20pm
I actually saw a kook launch off the beach whilst trying to put his leash on. He got slammed pretty hard. Too busy worrying about a piece of sh!t board than himself.

Might help if the wind dies and you have to self rescue but otherwise a waste of space IMHO
suface2air
suface2air
QLD
701 posts
QLD, 701 posts
2 Nov 2009 7:25pm
How long is the cord . what is everyones idea on this??? what if the cord was like 20 meters long shorly you would be stoped and board far enough away not too hurt you . the hair tie conection sounds like the stuff too.
KiteDevil
KiteDevil
TAS
778 posts
TAS, 778 posts
2 Nov 2009 8:28pm
well why not just get one of these then..

suface2air
suface2air
QLD
701 posts
QLD, 701 posts
2 Nov 2009 7:36pm
Yer i left myself open for that one kite devil made me laugh though . got one of those on landcruser do you know how much trouble it is to make them go fast enough so can board with it !!! good fun though . I though the longer cord would be a simple but efective answer too not getting hurt with the retact .
KiteDevil
KiteDevil
TAS
778 posts
TAS, 778 posts
2 Nov 2009 9:06pm
dude, you'll end up with a board wrapped around your lines, flying 10m in the sky and making your kite death loop till your eyes get flushed out ya arse.
Smedg
Smedg
NSW
836 posts
NSW, 836 posts
2 Nov 2009 10:13pm
less lines equals less potential hazzards when things go wrong imo. why am i adding to this annoying thread that has been done to death so many times... oh thats right, cause i'm meant to be washing the dishes... yeah, thread over hopefully. dishes now.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
2 Nov 2009 8:12pm
getfunky said...

BTW - one thing I find INCREDIBLY hypocritical is that all n sundry b!tch loudly about reel leashes and then praise the kn hell outta top notch surfboard kiters who oiften wear short traditional surf leashes! WTF!! Wayyy more dangerous. No-one seems prepared to tell these guys they are stoopid.


Nup, not me bud, ANYONE who wears a leash is a dumbarse, pro or beginner, surfboard or twinny. This is especially dumb in the surf around metro sand bank breaks as the waves will always wash your board in towards the beach out of the way of others so you ain't gonna lose it. You just need to body drag to the beach and there it is.

@ idiot: If you cannot body drag upwind in light winds, you need more practice. So long as the kite flies, you can body drag upwind regardless of how light or strong the wind is. Don't know where you heard that.

There is no intelligent argument that can support the use of leashes. Sorry to offend you if you use a leash, but it's time to learn other skills so you don't need to rely on it.

BTW: That picture of the guy with his teeth smashed in, is really a girl.

Cheers,

KH
Burls
Burls
209 posts
209 posts
2 Nov 2009 9:54pm
There always seems to be a lot of talk about impact vests/PFD’s not being ‘needed’ or a ‘false sense of security’? I assume that most people who are saying this are talking about the ‘impact’ protection?
IMO the main reason to wear some type of PFD, is because no matter your ability, a nice hard impact (or unlucky board to the head) and you’re unconscious, which means you go to the bottom, so the rescue is so much more difficult when seconds matter.
A lot of people have lost their lives wakeboarding because they wanted to look ‘cool’ and rode without a vest.
diginoz
diginoz
WA
317 posts
WA, 317 posts
2 Nov 2009 10:05pm
my swimming isnt very good but i dont want to look like a kook so ill just drown instead
coastflyer
coastflyer
SA
601 posts
SA, 601 posts
3 Nov 2009 9:39am
Yes, I use a reel leash and have for the last two years. I can body drag as well as anybody but have this slight paranoia about sharks that tend to cruise the coast lines all around Australia. I always wear Polaroid sunnies and have seen very large dark shapes swimming under the water as I go gliding by. Dolphin, shark? Yesterday, after a great session, I watched from the beach, a kiter trying to find his board, body dragging for nearly 20 minutes. I wonder what a person in wet suit looks like to the local fish population? When I kite on our local lakes I never use the leash, but to me, it is a calculated risk. I also use a sliding attachment system on my twinnie that only allows the end of the board to sink into the water about a third of it's length. I know this topic always keeps resurfacing, but there will always be two sides of the argument, and when a beginner asks me about the leash , I try to point the inherent dangers as well as the benefits. My observations of the local kiting population here is that 20% use them (mostly reels). The most popular ankle leash are very short (5 feet) non stretch dedicated kite leashes. The main danger with these is landing on your board after a crash. Most kite wipe-outs occur with rider following kite, with board in tow behind rider.
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
3 Nov 2009 8:01am
At the end of the day you go out with what you feel comfortable with knowing the risks you pose to yourself.
au_rick
au_rick
WA
752 posts
WA, 752 posts
3 Nov 2009 9:10am
poor relative said...

At the end of the day you go out with what you feel comfortable with knowing the risks you pose to yourself.



I think that's the first sensible post I've seen in this thread, well done PR :)

mark h
mark h
WA
28 posts
WA, 28 posts
3 Nov 2009 10:27am
Hey Gruezi

Never been called a “Super Kook” before, actually been kiting Woodies for the last 6 years so probably my local too ?.

The Dramas on the off shore side was due to my mates kite having a slow leak in the brand new flexifoil bladder he just installed. My Flysurfers never have that problem !.

Was great to get help from one of the Woodies crew, he rescued the kite and I dragged him in to the shore. I have helped out plenty of people on the offshore side of Woodies over the years so would like to think I at least have “Some Clue”

Helmets and impact vest may not look cool, but personally would rather be safe than sorry !

As far as the Oceanus reel board leashes go, tried one when I was learning and almost drowned when it turned my board in to a sea anchor !. Wouldn’t recommend them.

If you do use one you must wear a very ‘un-cool” looking helmet and vest. Hopefully that will be enough to put you off.

Cheers

Mark
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
3 Nov 2009 12:21pm
au_rick said...

poor relative said...

At the end of the day you go out with what you feel comfortable with knowing the risks you pose to yourself.



I think that's the first sensible post I've seen in this thread, well done PR :)




Both the most balanced and sensible posts on SB in ages. Rellie said what I was trying to in 1/4 of the space and double the clarity!

gerard
gerard
QLD
175 posts
QLD, 175 posts
3 Nov 2009 3:25pm
gruezi said...

Agreed with you airhead....going to be a messy messy season from the looks of it.

2 super kooks are Woodies the other day....helmets, PDF"S etc., too big kites, no clue, going offshore.....and they couldn't self rescue to boot. One of the young Woodies regulars had to help out. You can see why the locals hate the kooks at Woodies.........can't have a good session without witnessing total kookdom....patience is going to run out and they are going to be drifting out to sea soon. Next thing is too many rescues and more kite bans








This Picture was taken at Woodies. Can’t remember who it was but he was wearing a lease, impact vest and weird looking helmet/ hat thingy. Looks like a kook too? LOL only joking Nick…

Cheers
Grant.
DILLIGAF2
DILLIGAF2
218 posts
218 posts
4 Nov 2009 5:16am
Thanks for all the replies. I didn't realise what sort of can I was opening

I posted the question in the first place as I was out in light wind and got up for the first time for maybe 10 seconds came down and lost the board. It then took me 30 minutes to get the board back which seemed pretty excessive for 10 seconds. Call me a Kook if need be.

I'm a windsurfer originally and started kiting for various reasons ranging from easy to travel with gear, new challenge and new fear factor. My local beach and shop hate and ridicule leashes but I also understand the place leashes have and why people use them. I don't think it’s because they are crazy/dumb or lazy. Surly it’s about maximising time on the water and the buzz it brings!

I'll try and use an additional quick release on the board when launching and see how that goes.

BTW anyone that tells you kitsurfing is easier to learn than windsurfing is dreaming! But that's another post I guess.
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
1525 posts
NSW, 1525 posts
4 Nov 2009 12:35pm
getfunky said...

loco - not trying to single you out, but do you have a surf leash on in that avatar pic? If so how can you bag reel leash users?

Lets not get nasty now but i want to know your viewpoint here - cause it seems skewed to me (if you do wear a surf leash that is).

I really don't get this blindness to the danger of short surf leashes.


Of course I fugging don't-hate the bloody things-used one twice in 8 years-and that was because I was riding a heavy reef break and lost board meant end of board-had the board missile at me on one of those days too (a reo where I went over the back and pulled off the board-surfboard, no straps).

Hate the bloody things for kiting.
TAS, 97 posts
4 Nov 2009 1:05pm
DILLIGAF2 said...

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I posted the question in the first place as I was out in light wind and got up for the first time for maybe 10 seconds came down and lost the board. It then took me 30 minutes to get the board back which seemed pretty excessive for 10 seconds. Call me a Kook if need be.
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man i was in the same boat as you a little while back! loosing the board is such a pain! went out for a session with a mate, he was having a blast while i spent probably 1 min on the board and another two hours either body dragging to my board or searching for it!

The best advice i can give is to try and learn somewhere where its;
1. relatively flat
2. you can stand up in
3. cross shore winds so you can body drag into shore and find your board

when i found some flat water it was a 'gazzilion' times easier and couple that with being able to walk up wind to the board it was easy to learn the basic board riding skills!
dutchy1985
dutchy1985
213 posts
213 posts
4 Nov 2009 10:55am
DILLIGAF2 said...

Thanks for all the replies. I didn't realise what sort of can I was opening
......
BTW anyone that tells you kitsurfing is easier to learn than windsurfing is dreaming! But that's another post I guess.



These 63 year old ladies don't seem to think its too difficult...
www.aarp.org/magazine/
hope that makes you feel better
DILLIGAF2
DILLIGAF2
218 posts
218 posts
4 Nov 2009 11:11am
dutchy1985 said...

DILLIGAF2 said...

Thanks for all the replies. I didn't realise what sort of can I was opening
......
BTW anyone that tells you kitsurfing is easier to learn than windsurfing is dreaming! But that's another post I guess.



These 63 year old ladies don't seem to think its too difficult...
www.aarp.org/magazine/
hope that makes you feel better


Thanks Dutchy I failed to mention I'm going on 60 myself

dutchy1985
dutchy1985
213 posts
213 posts
4 Nov 2009 11:24am
Sorry to be disrespectful then, I thought forums were just full of little rat kids.

Keep at it mate, it all clicks very suddenly and really doesn't take too long. Try to get some flat water if you haven't already cos you can really get a pasting out in the surf.

I have only been windsurfing once but I found it extremely difficult
Danger Mouse
Danger Mouse
WA
592 posts
WA, 592 posts
4 Nov 2009 4:15pm
LEASH = BAD

End of Story!
kyteryder
kyteryder
NSW
692 posts
NSW, 692 posts
4 Nov 2009 9:06pm
DILLIGAF2 said...



BTW anyone that tells you kitsurfing is easier to learn than windsurfing is dreaming! But that's another post I guess.



I tend to disagree. Tell me how long it took, to learn a deep water start, and gybing adequately? Most people takes a few seasons.
With kiting, a deep water start is the second board technique, besides body dragging, you learn on the water. Give it some time, it won't take too long. The difficult thing most people find with kiting, myself included, was to learn kiting control. Use a trainer kite for a longer period of time. This reduces the frustration with kite control, whilst worrying about the board etc.
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
VIC
1159 posts
VIC, 1159 posts
4 Nov 2009 9:24pm
DILLIGAF2 said...

Thanks for all the replies. I didn't realise what sort of can I was opening

I posted the question in the first place as I was out in light wind and got up for the first time for maybe 10 seconds came down and lost the board. It then took me 30 minutes to get the board back which seemed pretty excessive for 10 seconds. Call me a Kook if need be.

I'm a windsurfer originally and started kiting for various reasons ranging from easy to travel with gear, new challenge and new fear factor. My local beach and shop hate and ridicule leashes but I also understand the place leashes have and why people use them. I don't think it’s because they are crazy/dumb or lazy. Surly it’s about maximising time on the water and the buzz it brings!

I'll try and use an additional quick release on the board when launching and see how that goes.

BTW anyone that tells you kitsurfing is easier to learn than windsurfing is dreaming! But that's another post I guess.



The best thing you can do is find a learning spot with knee deep water. You can stand on your board, put your feet in the straps, rock back and do your kite dive. When you come off you can wade back to your board.

A lot of the frustration comes in that moment when you are trying to keep the kite at 12 and put the board on your feet. Don't stress about it. Kite control is everything. Even if you don't think you are getting better, you will be.

I think kitesurfing and windsurfing have some parallels between snowboarding and skiing. (I learnt to ski first but now snowboard) skiing is like windsufing - the basics are easy to pick up but the progression is slower a lot more technical. Snowboarding is like kitesurfing - its more punishing on you in the early stages (when you make a mistake you know about it!) but then the penny drops and you progress so much faster!
DILLIGAF2
DILLIGAF2
218 posts
218 posts
5 Nov 2009 7:12am
Thanks Guys
ueberqwerty
ueberqwerty
WA
59 posts
WA, 59 posts
5 Nov 2009 10:29pm
Not so good experiences for me with a reel leash.
I used one before...not that successful. It stopped to retract at some point which is pretty crap if you have like 2m of leash floating around you and wrapping you up like a parcel...:(
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