Strapless surf - show us your heel dents

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tightlines
tightlines
WA
3509 posts
WA, 3509 posts
3 Jul 2011 11:44pm
Hey Rich my old fav 6'2" Pat Rawson tufflite is yours if you want it, yep it is snapped.
richswing
richswing
WA
724 posts
WA, 724 posts
4 Jul 2011 12:16am
Hey Tightlines,

I'm keen, Thanks.

I am up in Karath at the moment but I give you shout when I am back in Perth hopefully in a couple of days.

Cheers
Rich
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3509 posts
WA, 3509 posts
4 Jul 2011 1:24am
No worries i'm out of town for another week anyway.
P.S. no heel dents on it.
NSW, 4382 posts
4 Jul 2011 8:51am
The materials and construction of modern surfboards are obviously not up to the task, I wonder how long it will be before someone comes up with a better board that has flex and decent strength.
That has been achieved in other board sports, even TT's don't snap like toothpicks anymore (well at least the better ones don't).

Do we really need to take the disposable throw away culture right to the sea? One of the things I always liked about surfing was that most surfers and the industry seemed to care more about the environment.
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
7 Jul 2011 4:28pm
My Al Merrick Black flag has heel dents and its only 4 months old.... and never used with my kite..... the bigger the dips get the closer my foot is to the water
its all to do with how much glassing is on the deck and how often weight is applied

Polynglass boards will always dent under the heals if you use them to kite ( unless they have massive amounts of glass )

Then again with the amount of wax brucex ( original poster ) has on his deck im suprised there are any dents on his at all.....

The only difference dent wise that i can think of between Strapped and strapless is that an unstrapped rider will probably have a shallower dent but wider ( across more area ) but the strapped rider will have a deeper dent but in only one spot.
wdric
wdric
NSW
1625 posts
NSW, 1625 posts
7 Jul 2011 6:18pm
The foam is crap they use on surfboards compared to other foam cores used in the fibreglass industry.
Has anyone tried putting a couple of bits of thin H80 under the foot areas before glassing a regular surfboard?

Or has anyone had a piece of divinycell shaped and glassed over that?
bennie
bennie
ACT
1258 posts
ACT, 1258 posts
7 Jul 2011 8:38pm
I know a guy who has been experimenting with putting wood inserts under the glass where your feet go. He was impressed with the results, no heel dents but the same surfboard feel he likes. I'm not sure whether this would result in compressing the foam core eventually, but It seems like a good Idea. BTW this guy tends to ride strapped, and does some pretty big boosting on it.
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
8 Jul 2011 9:37am
^Sounds good to me. You could even shape some heel dents into the wood if you wanted haha. Actually I'm pretty sure Taj's boards come with his heel dents shaped in.
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
8 Jul 2011 3:08pm
wdric said...

The foam is crap they use on surfboards compared to other foam cores used in the fibreglass industry.
Has anyone tried putting a couple of bits of thin H80 under the foot areas before glassing a regular surfboard?

Or has anyone had a piece of divinycell shaped and glassed over that?


Im not so sure about that ..... there are thousands of shapers all over the world that have been shaping boards for over 40 years all are looking for that extra edge and innovation..there are massive amounts of money in the surf industry dedicated to developmement.... and they keep on coming up with the same materials to use ( ok granted some now use carbon fibre reinforcement and stringers ) the epoxy boards looked to have some future particularly for kiting but they lack flex and feeling....

Using surfboards for kiting brings about a whole new set of parameters, as was pointed out earlier when kiting you are standing on the board all the time you are also using the board to get over the whitewater etc...... creating consistent impacts under the board and under your heels or whole foot...... causing glass fatigue and foam dents ( surfboards were never designed to hit whitewater lumps head on over and over again which is what happens everytime you head out under kite power.....) the only way to over come this is by using different materials which results ( generally ) in more weight in the boards or better location of density not a big deal when under kite power but it does change the feel of the board.
As with most things its a trade off between light weight performance and longevity.
For kiting .....If you want light weight, great feel and feedback you have to put up with broken boards or heel dents if you want longevity and strength you have to forgo some performance and feel.

Bamboo- flexy and strong

COL
COL
NSW
554 posts
COL COL
NSW, 554 posts
9 Jul 2011 2:10pm
wdric said...


Or has anyone had a piece of divinycell shaped and glassed over that?


You've seen Lach's magic red board. That's 15mm divinycell glassed over. He does really well on it, but it's nothin like a surfboard ,weighs 4.15kg, doesn't heel dent but still breaks & is only 4'11".
As Harold says it's a simple trade, weight for strength. Traditional surfboards have been coming down in foam density & glassed thickness over decades to give a higher performance. "Serious" surfers seem to happily accept fragile surfboards as proof to the world of their commitment to the sport.
Col
P.S. OK Lachlan, I admit to taking the measurements of your board, as I do with any board I come in contact with. But I DID NOT steal your design.
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