Strapless surf - show us your heel dents

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brucex
brucex
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28 Jun 2011 8:40pm
After discussing the topic of heel dents with lots of guys who ride strapless it seems that most of us are embracing the heel dents we get on the front foot position of the board -

In fact I love the fact that my custom boards get a heel dent - it makes the front foot feel so much more positive - adding to board /foot grip -


Post your best heel dents and tell us if you think board should dent
waveslave
waveslave
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4263 posts
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28 Jun 2011 6:56pm
This STRAPLESS religious fanaticism cracks me up. ^^^

How about we embrace blown-out, piece-of-sh1t kites as well.
lol.
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28 Jun 2011 9:45pm
hell dents are only ok untill ur heel dents halfway on the stringa n decides to split ur foot
wdric
wdric
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28 Jun 2011 11:46pm
HaHa
here is my front leg dent from strapless riding on the long weekend

I am frigged if I know how so don't ask it just did



sebol
sebol
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753 posts
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28 Jun 2011 10:38pm
waveslave said...

This STRAPLESS religious fanaticism cracks me up. ^^^

How about we embrace blown-out, piece-of-sh1t kites as well.
lol.


Thank you Wave slave, that comment is going straight to the pool room
Prawnhead
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29 Jun 2011 1:01am
waveslave said...

This STRAPLESS religious fanaticism cracks me up. ^^^

How about we embrace blown-out, piece-of-sh1t kites as well.
lol.


hell yeah slave.....they probably use death leashes as well!!
AKSonline
AKSonline
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925 posts
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29 Jun 2011 2:56pm
Yep, not sure why we should celebrate heel dents, they are a sign of inadequate re-inforcement in a surfboard.

Use deck pads and you reduce the pressure point loading and offer at least some cushioning.

Almost all Poly board will heel dent fairly quickly, even under supposed normal use. A quality Epoxy built for purpose will stand up to much more.

I haven't managed to heel dent any of my current or even past boards and yes I ride strapped and strapless, but I also use deck pads :-)

Carry on.

DM
NSW, 4382 posts
29 Jun 2011 8:40pm
Just spent an interesting week in Fuerteventura with Adrian Roper from Underground Kiteboards, he had this to say about surfboards and kite surfboards.

"Consider a pro surfer, that goes out for a 3hr session, in good waves. Lets say he gets 30 waves and actually rides and stands up on his board for 10 seconds per ride on average. The equates to 300 seconds or 5 minutes of actually standing on the board. Pro's replace their boards up to 60 times per year, there is an enormous environmental impact of this insistence on lightness (especially when a lot of surfers promote ecological responsibility). The problem is that surfers are demanding a really light board, and consequently weak board and the price is enormous waste, and cost. Virtually nothing from a surfboard can be recycled.
Now consider a kitesurfer, in a 3hr session, the kiter is basically standing on the board for 3 hrs and exerting constant and at times much more pressure on the board. Would a kiter accept that the board should only last one session (equivalent to a pro surfers board life expectancy of approx 10 - 30 sessions)?
When a surfer breaks a surfboard, there is no warranty.
We all need to rethink durability and lightness in kitesurfboards, heeldenting will happen with any construction eventually, but it can be reduced if proper sandwich type construction is used, but this type of board will weigh more than a epoxy or polyester resin polyurethane foam core board, and a foam sandwhich epoxy board will outlast several polyurethane foam core boards"

Bruce - you have a couple of tons of wax on your board!
spot1
spot1
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29 Jun 2011 7:47pm
i love my heel dents my feet feel at home and as for the wax more the better
herbyburger
herbyburger
WA
303 posts
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29 Jun 2011 9:18pm
"Pop massive unstrapped air and this board rises with you".
The kite surfboard makers actually quote this and more in the sales pitch.
Then they shouldnt be too suprised when customers get upset when a board gets
pressure dings /splits from heel dents or rail cracks from airs.
$800 to $1100 bucks for a new board is fair if it is built to last.
If it dont last no one will be back, just p-ssed off and trash the brand..
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
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29 Jun 2011 9:42pm
The funny thing is, I've had boards that don't dent at all and they have all felt like sh!t to me. There is a reason pros ride polyester boards, it's because they feel the best. Yes they will ding from kiting, but they will also absorb chop and flex properly on the wave... Weigh up what you want. You want performance? or Longevity? You can't have it all.

I don't really give a toss about it, when I consider the amount of skate decks I go through, buying a surfy every now and again seems pretty reasonable to me. (obviously if you are smart you get more than a 4 each side, and don't ride it like and absolute bandit over waves.)
bjw
bjw
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bjw bjw
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30 Jun 2011 8:50am
Heel dents is like a concave skate deck, it just grips better.

But it kills your soul when you get the first indent on a new board.
Ryland
Ryland
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30 Jun 2011 7:16am
i disagree there Daz. it has nothing to do with poor construction but more about feel and performance. just because a board doesnt heel dent make it made poorly. 99% of production kitesurf boards ride like crap- period. why because they are so heavy and have no flex what so ever- yeah alot of them dont heal dent but id take performance over the look of keeping the deck flat anytime. its a hard one for kite companies whether to make a board that rides good or one that doesnt dent up. id would even think one that dents slightly would be better for kiting as it would have flex and probally be better on your knees in the long run going through chop.
oh and can some one please tell me why kite company have any warranties for surfboards yeah u paid $800+ for it but last time i checked thats how much it was for a glass board at my local surfshop and u break it tuff titties! -
AKSonline said...

Yep, not sure why we should celebrate heel dents, they are a sign of inadequate re-inforcement in a surfboard.

Use deck pads and you reduce the pressure point loading and offer at least some cushioning.

Almost all Poly board will heel dent fairly quickly, even under supposed normal use. A quality Epoxy built for purpose will stand up to much more.

I haven't managed to heel dent any of my current or even past boards and yes I ride strapped and strapless, but I also use deck pads :-)

Carry on.

DM


COL
COL
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COL COL
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30 Jun 2011 10:49am
Ryland said...

99% of production kitesurf boards ride like crap- period. why because they are so heavy and have no flex what so ever- yeah alot of them dont heal dent but id take performance over the look of keeping the deck flat anytime.oh and can some one please tell me why kite company have any warranties for surfboards yeah u paid $800+ for it but last time i checked thats how much it was for a glass board at my local surfshop and u break it tuff titties! -



I'm sure there's plenty of fairly average riders out there like me that just luv their production models. With them you can expect a well sorted design, a broard capability & durability. The fun without the hassles & constant repairs. Production boards do offer pretty hi tech constructions & as you say, at no extra cost. I'm not knocking traditional poly boards, but each to their own.
Col
Jedibrad
Jedibrad
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30 Jun 2011 11:16am
Why would anyone spend that much on a strappless

Kitesurfing strappless fills the perfect void in the surfboard recycling foodchain

Head down to your surfshop secondhand board rack and take your pick

You will find a selection of boards for $250-300 with less damage than u get from one kite session

If your keen, whack a bit of epoxy under your front foot

reduce, reuse, recycle
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
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30 Jun 2011 10:43am
Jedibrad said...

Why would anyone spend that much on a strappless

Kitesurfing strappless fills the perfect void in the surfboard recycling foodchain

Head down to your surfshop secondhand board rack and take your pick

You will find a selection of boards for $250-300 with less damage than u get from one kite session

If your keen, whack a bit of epoxy under your front foot

reduce, reuse, recycle


You have a very good point and for pretty much every board I've ever had I've done the same haha. But, the few customs I have had really have been that much sweeter. If you have a shaper that knows what he's doing it's worth it.
JayP
JayP
QLD
249 posts
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30 Jun 2011 1:06pm
Jedibrad said...

Why would anyone spend that much on a strappless

Kitesurfing strappless fills the perfect void in the surfboard recycling foodchain

Head down to your surfshop secondhand board rack and take your pick

You will find a selection of boards for $250-300 with less damage than u get from one kite session

If your keen, whack a bit of epoxy under your front foot

reduce, reuse, recycle


also donating your old boards to surfers in PNG (and other places) is a good way to give your old board an extra life. We re glass em and hand them out to all the crew in far off corners of the country, when a surf board snaps it gets handed to two groms who surf the halves till they break, then they get turned into body boards where they get used till they are tiny pieces of foam... even then they get used as floats for fishing.

big thanks to all those that have already passed on their old gear

puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
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30 Jun 2011 11:38am
JayP said...

.........even then they get used as floats for fishing.





nice work btw JayP - PM me I'll see if we cant help out from Perth.
Paul1
Paul1
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1011 posts
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30 Jun 2011 2:28pm
Boards that don't dent up generally have very little flex and surf like crap, no flex=no fun.
inside grunt
inside grunt
WA
72 posts
WA, 72 posts
30 Jun 2011 3:27pm
does BWS make production kiteboards??
SECARTERMUSS
SECARTERMUSS
QLD
181 posts
QLD, 181 posts
30 Jun 2011 7:07pm
Dont buy one of these!!!

this is how it was when the grip was remove, there was no foam.
And I have seen many more that look just like this one.





1K Drink holder




Ive got one shaped by Warren Cornish best board ever

Ill never get pop out again


Marty
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30 Jun 2011 8:21pm



MARNNN I JUST USE ME MARDDDEST K-MART BOOGIE BOARD AY GOTSA BEST FLEX GOIN ROURNDDD N DATT BEST GRAPHICS TO AY DUUUUUWWWDEEE

BennyB12
BennyB12
QLD
918 posts
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1 Jul 2011 11:02am
We should celebrate them cos scars are proof...
AKSonline said...

Yep, not sure why we should celebrate heel dents, they are a sign of inadequate re-inforcement in a surfboard.

Use deck pads and you reduce the pressure point loading and offer at least some cushioning.

Almost all Poly board will heel dent fairly quickly, even under supposed normal use. A quality Epoxy built for purpose will stand up to much more.

I haven't managed to heel dent any of my current or even past boards and yes I ride strapped and strapless, but I also use deck pads :-)

Carry on.

DM


AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
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1 Jul 2011 10:21am
Hey Ry,

It's all good to disagree. I understand your point of view. As a pro rider, weight and flex are more critical to your style of riding and as you're not paying for boards, it is irrelevant if you snap or break a few along the way. I note you've been through a number of boards this season already.

I speak on behalf of the average Joes. I am hard on my kiteboards and up until a few years ago, managed to snap every production kite surf board I had, until I switched to the current brand I ride. I could seriously heel dent a poly board in a 1 hr session. For me, not getting boards for free, although I pay wholesale, I still can't afford to be replacing boards every couple of months.

I am quite prepared to sacrifice a little performance for the sake of the board lasting several years.

My surfboards are an epoxy fish which I've had for 6 years and a custom Poly big wave board which I had made with extra glass. I like both but snapped my poly in half within 2 months of getting it wet. I had it repaired and it aint light but it still surfs great.

Boards for Pro's and Boards for Joes. Two different needs.

DM
AndreC
AndreC
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1 Jul 2011 10:05pm
Boards for surfers and boards for kiteboarders..I prefer to chew through 2 or more boards a year than ride a water ski. Ry breaks em coz he eats so much pizza.
COL
COL
NSW
554 posts
COL COL
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2 Jul 2011 12:06am
AKSonline said...

I am hard on my kiteboards and up until a few years ago, managed to snap every production kite surf board I had, until I switched to the current brand I ride.


And the brand I'm currently riding is?
And while you're there, tell him about being able to test ride production models & then buy the exact same board that you prefer. Better than just hoping your shaper is on the same wave, so to speak.
Col
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2 Jul 2011 10:53pm
twin tip?
Surfy31
Surfy31
WA
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2 Jul 2011 9:29pm
bought a second hand tuff lite down at my local surf shop at the start of the season, whacked a deck grip in the guts, kited and surfed the **** out of it. never missed a beat. paid $300
richswing
richswing
WA
724 posts
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2 Jul 2011 10:31pm
Got given a snapped Tufflight (Thanks Corey), repaired it (double the weight) butstill going strong after 2 seasons. Snapped the nose off twice.

Downside is it cost me about $100 to repair.

OH yea, I am in the market for a new board, a light wind board, anybody got a snapped board lying about?

Rich
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3 Jul 2011 10:31am
i have about five or six if ur that keeen
richswing
richswing
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3 Jul 2011 6:58pm
Thats OK, Ok.

The travel costs will outway the what the boards worth, but if you're coming over this way, bring them with.

Rich
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