what's so hard to fix about a one-pump system?

do you have trouble pulling the hoses off the valves, or working out how to replace the cable ties? or is it too difficult to line up the valves in the LE bladder?

i suggest you return to pole dancing if repairing a bladder causes you concerns

Stamp,
I'm sure you're a real hands-on type of guy. ^^^
You probably like to fix your own stuff and have the skills to do so.
But most of the kiting crew aren't like you (or me),
so they go and buy a new kite when the plumbing fails.
Do you get my premise ?

i dont know anyone who replaces a kite because of a valve needing fixing.... they are so simple to fix.... One pump kites have much less valve failure than non one pump kites...

I think your trolling for an argument that isn't there....

waveslave said...

doonut said...

if your to incompetent to fix it give it to a kite repairer why would you throw out a kite you can rip em in half in still fix them

Ask any kite repairer what they honestly think of one-pump. ^^^
Repairers have a love/hate relationship with one-pump.
This built-in system of obsolescence certainly pays their bills,
and they know it stimulates demand by encouraging purchasers to buy sooner if they want a functioning kite.
Remember, the choice has been taken away.

Where do you get this crap from? We fix hundreds of kites every year, most of them are one pump now. One pump keeps the bladder properly aligned and attached to the LE in several places, no more bladder hernias, twists and blow outs. Kites actually last longer with the external one pump system.
Like Wdric said its been on kites since Slingy invented the superior external one pump system in 2004, get with it old man!

Waveslave can't afford a one pump kite on the pension

I never lock the struts off, Jack taught me that, really.
No problems.

waveslave said...

Stamp,
I'm sure you're a real hands-on type of guy. ^^^
You probably like to fix your own stuff and have the skills to do so.
But most of the kiting crew aren't like you (or me),
so they go and buy a new kite when the plumbing fails.
Do you get my premise ?

you are smoking some good sh@t there in mandurah!

I dont think slave really cares.
He just learnt the word "obsolescence" from his word of the day calander and feeling very clever and wanted to show it off.

Yeah, and what's the deal with using such light fabric in the kite and such thin lines? Surely if kite companies used main-sail weight fabric in the kites and 10 mm diameter lines we would see more durability?

I'm more of a believer in the market. One Pump systems still exist because the customer wants it. If the idea was bad - people would have avoided the one-pump when companies were selling one-pump and non one-pump systems simultaneously.

The kite companies would then respond to this by phasing it out. Look at Sigma shape with Naish - good design, but I don't think the kite buying public were entirely sold on it.

To be honest Slave, do you really want to go back to trying to get that tiny white ball to seat in the valve before plugging it off? That system used to drive me nuts...

Ah my dear mandurah friend has done it again... he he he...

lostinlondon said...

To be honest Slave, do you really want to go back to trying to get that tiny white ball to seat in the valve before plugging it off? That system used to drive me nuts...

The tiny white ball is old technology.
Now there is a tiny rubber membrane that seals up onto the valve.

More money than sense.

With Slave on this one.

I hate the bloody one pump system and would happily opt for a multi point inflation system if manufacturers presented the choice.

My point is, when you have a product that is put through extreme stress and strain why would you want to manufacture multiple points of failure?

And if you are not blowing valves on a regular occasion then I guess you are just not going hard enough.

I am sure shops love one pump. God knows they have made a small fortune from me buying replacement valves.

Of course why on earth would you want more choice?

Maybe flatwater riders crashing their kites more have a different experience. I have had a few repairs from crashing the kite in the waves and having it ripped by a massive volume of water, but never had a valve blow out. I did have a leading edge bladder explosion walking up the beach with an old SS kite.... but i took it out, patched it and put it back in, connected up the valves etc and good as new.

I kinda feel bad for the dude with an old non-one pump who is still setting up when i've arrived, set up and am on the water while he's still fiddling around inflating each strut...

waveslave said...

stamp said...

doesn't best still make kites without one-pump?

Some models in the BEST range are multi-pump, and some are one-pump.
I fly Kahoonas cause they are multi-pump.

Not bagging out kahoonas. But slave, your missing out on such a wide range of kites, that are one pump.