Who is this person that is pushing so hard to get us banned what are their real intentions, why they are so eager to get a healthy beach activity that promotes Perth
internationally through Kite surfing videos and the media when overseas professionals visit our shores. Where is the democracy in getting management plans put in place
that takes away the right for individuals to enjoy the beach where they live.

The other issue I have is unless you happened to be reading this post how are all the people that this affects able to have a say in what happens……..

Might as well send out a letter to all the rate payers in the area saying “by the way yesterday we decided that you are no longer allowed to use your beach which your taxes contribute towards
maintaining…..and we did not bother to include you in this as we know in the past some very constructive solutions can be put in place to keep everyone happy so we have decided to just ban
it as this is way too democratic....we hope we will continue to have your support in helping us carry out doing whatever we like………

Shame on you.......

Someone needs to befriend a constitutional lawyer.

Council bylaws (such as what is happening to you guys) are flimsy at best. Policing them is a nightmare.

Now is the time for people power! Make a noise and protect your access to the ocean.

Councils do not control the sea... she is our mistress.

What happens below high tide mark is out of their jurisdiction.

I'm sure there are current affair type tv shows that would be interested in this story?

Minority control of government is a hot topic, as is regulations that discriminate against equal access to public amenities.

What about a demonstration? Get as many kiters as possible at the beach kiting at the same time? May give the local wet blankets some perspective of how many kiters actually kite there on a normal day.

Protest I say. Lethargy and apathy will only assist the grey haired party poopers to win.

Hey - a little OT but inmo

All Parties involved in the future direction of our sport and its users/supporters - should be targeting our best spots for exclusive use of kite/windsurf only areas (yes we need Poleys too !)

Instead of waiting to get kicked from these spots !! get in before the wingeing farkers ark up !!
support it with local marketing & tourism outlooks...as councils love the money shots

Kiteboarding shop owners would need to pull out their six shooters and pitch in together - or it will shoot you in the sales foot

Or have I naievely missed whats really happening here

seafever17 said...

The only hope now it seems is a massive show of people at this meeting to give the council a clear signal of the amounts of people this is affecting/will effect.
Politics on all levels is a numbers game. I would say the majority of councillors could not care less about kiting,certainly not enough to ban them off their own bat. They are being led by what they perceive to be the majority.This is clearly our last chance to set them straight.
Kiters all over Perth should come up and show support. This will be the thin end of the wedge and when the Stirling/Fremantle/Melville councils are coerced into looking at the "problem" of kitesurfing by the vocal local blue rinse brigade they will look for the easy solution. That means looking for a precedent. This ban will be that precedent. They wont have to spend a cent on "research"" they will just trust that Joodalup did due dilligence and adopt their methods.

This is'nt a time to lay low and think my spot's sweet. The guys that use the empty beaches at Mullaloo will be coming to your local. The Blue rinse whingers will follow then the complaints , then the bans.

All councils in the Perth metro area will be watching the outcome of this meeting, I know that the city of Wanneroo is also in line for a beach management plan, other councils will then take the path of least resistance.
What's next? Stirling, Melville and so on..

All kiters should come, even if we don't fit in the room, its time to make some noise

Unfortunately numbers alone will not send a message at this meeting. When you attend these you will see that everything is scripted. No one knows if you are there in support or opposition or if you are there because your neighbours cubby house looks over your fence. To be able to talk at this you must pre submit an application which states exactly what you will be talking about, this application is sent to all the councillors and the "technical experts" so that the reply that is given is pre determined (as much as they try to seem like they are answering off the cuff). You can submit a question form at the meeting, though there are restrictions on what the question can refer to and are quite often rejected. (too hard basket)
The only other way to have your say now is to email the CEO of the city, all correspondence to the CEO will be passed on to the relevant person/body, reviewed by them and the CEO, and MUST be responded to. The CEO is the one that will be submitting the management plan to the state for approval, after the councillors decide what options will be included, so bombard him.
And if you think that we can hold it up when it goes to the state then you are wrong as there are no third party appeal rights in Australia.

garry.hunt@joondalup.wa.gov.au

I have spoken to a representative at the City and was informed that Option 2 was introduced following the consultation period at a stakeholder meeting held by the mayor. Therefore this option was never presented to those who completed the survey and if you had agreed to exclusion zones you have now agree not only to the exclusion zones that were listed in the draft for consultation but also agree to the one added after the fact. Criminal! The Mayor should be hung!

This has all come about from the squeaky wheel at Mullaloo Beach and it looks like it will get some greasing. I say become a squeaky wheel in the ear of the CEO, email away regardless if you can or cannot make the briefing session.
A group of people at an organised briefing is manageable, but a hundred emails a day that must be responded to is a right pain in the arse, probably worth greasing

No expert, just my 2 cents.

Emails sent to garry.hunt@joondalup.wa.gov.au (CEO) and cc'd to Mayor and the ward councillors.

troy.pickard@joondalup.wa.gov.au

trona.young@joondalup.wa.gov.au

philippa.taylor@joondalup.wa.gov.au

Dear Mr Hunt,

I would like to express my strong dissapointment at the way the City of Joondalup has conducted itself in regard to its proposed Beach Management Plan.

I have reviewed the agenda for the September Council meeting and note that the recommendation for management of Kite Surfing activities is Option 2 'Only exclusion zones are established which apply over the entire length of Mullaloo and North Mullaloo Beaches and Sorrento Beach from the Marina'.

Putting aside the proposed exclusion zone adjacent to the Sorrento Surf Life Saving Club, which has remained consistent, the exclusion of kitesurfing to the entire length of Mullaloo and North Mullaloo beaches is contrary to information that has previously been provided to the public during the consultation process for the proposed Beach Management Plan. Members of the public were asked to comment on a proposed exclusion zone 475m north and south of Mullaloo Surf Lifesaving Club only, and have had no opportunity to comment on the significantly increased exclusion zone now recommended by the City.

The decision making process that the City of Joondalup intends to employ in relation to this matter is of serious concern. The Council will be making a decision on the management of kite surfing activities, which includes being guided on a recommending report prepared by the City of Joondalup that purports to take into account responses to the public consultation process. However, the recommended 'Option 2' has not previously been made available for public comment. Accordingly, the City of Joondalup has erred in its administrative processes, and a complaint to the State Ombudsmen is forthcoming.

Further highlighting the innaproriate administrative procress that has been conducted to date, the Frequently Asked Questions document about the proposed Beach Management Plan that is currently available on the City of Joondalup website refers only to the originally proposed exclusion zones, and in combination with the information made available during the public consultation process, is significantly misleading.

The only way I, as a member of the public and Joondalup resident, was able to clarify the extent of the exclusion zone within 'Option 2' was to phone the City of Joondalup and speak to an employee. This employee advised that the recommendation and increased exclusion zone is the result of a "stakeholder meeting that occured after the public consultation was finalised". I would therefore like to know who the stakeholders were that attended this meeting and why the City of Joondalup has deemed it uneccessary for the public to be able to comment on the revised exclusion zone when it is this zone that is the subject of a recommendation to Council?

I will further add that the increase to the exclusion zone proposed by 'Option 2' is grossly innapropriate and the recommending report prepared by the City of Joondalup does not appropriately consider the extreme popularity of kite surfing as a sport, or the rate at which this popularity is currently increasing, in order to 'future proof' the Beach Management Plan to any degree.

I acknowledge the sport of kite surfing requires management in terms of appropriate interaction with other beach users. However, confining kite surfing to small, already congested areas, by increasing the exclusion zone as per 'Option 2' has serious safety implications for kite surfers, and is not reflective of a holistic approach that the City needs to adopt, which gives adequate consideration to all beach users.

I await your response.

Numbers and noise is what democracy is all about.

Get to the meeting and voice your objections.

If there has been some altering of any council proposals after public consultations then an injunction can be served and the ombudsman should be consulted.

Get on the net and research the laws governing local councils in your state. Informed protesters are the bane of elected council officials who usually are as uninformed as their constituents.

It's not too late wind brothers! Get off your arses and get there. These restrictions are contagious and other councils are closely watching the results.

good work yoshee,
i emailed cr trona young but realised that Mr Hunt the CEO is on the beach management committee.

I'm not too sure what side he is on though? He may have already made his mind up, but this needs to be rectified.

Poida said...

good work yoshee,
i emailed cr trona young but realised that Mr Hunt the CEO is on the beach management committee.

I'm not too sure what side he is on though? He may have already made his mind up, but this needs to be rectified.

Cheers, I dont believe Mr Hunt should have a side, it is his responsibility to ensure that the actions of the committee and his staff provide true and accurate data and that their recommendations are just. I do not believe that this has occurred with direct relation to the introduction of Option 2.

Unless there is a lawful reason why the Mayor saw fit to introduce this option without public consultation, I feel the issues I have raised with those listed above and some of their heirachy will raise concern to them. If they review this today, I would not be surprised, and hope, if the item will be removed from tomorrows agenda.

I dont think it will change the outcome in the long run but may atleast buy some more time. I have not had the time to research enough, but with some external help I have been able to see a few things from another angle and this might just be enough to get it thrown out on a technicality.

If you kick someone in the balls to win the fight, you still win.

Dont worry, many kiters showed up at the first Joodalup meeting when councillor Macdonald tried to sneak a by-law through, it was clear who we were, so make the effort to get there.
The only thing that counts are the number of people rising against this injustice.

Monkeyfish said...

coreyb said...

So should I drop the mayor an e-mail or leave it to the residents? I dont live there, but I dont want the precedent coming my way.

Hi Cory

your welcome to come long, as it stands we need numbers, If we are banned in the north I will be kiting Scarbs and Trigg more so, as anywhere else is too far during the working week.

I will support you guys when you need it too.

mf

Email the CEO at garry.hunt@joondalup.wa.gov.au

Well I've sent my emails to all those folks, what it does who knows? , But I"ll be there tomorrow night, this is such Bullsh1t how can you outlaw a sport???

@ Dave it's not spam we are fighting for our sport and local rights here mate!!!

Hi Guys and girls,

At tomorrows meeting it looks like it will be pretty "full on" and in speaking with council and others today, the councillors have been reading this thread with keen interest and know what to expect.

I suggest strongly on advice by one of the councilors I spoke with today that when we are in council premises that we all behave with the utmost decency and respond courteously, politely and leave the emotion out of it.

If you are speaking, speak clearly, sensibly, state reasons for your viewpoint and possible alternative suggestions for the councillors to chew over.

We will have good numbers I hope, and a raucous crowd will not get us far. They will know who we are as they did on the first meeting. We conducted ourselves well then, and had a small victory, and so we need to continue this same conduct.

Councillors are under the impression that we the kiteboarders favour the Option 2 as a result of a bit of a setup at the last "informal" meeting. They just need to know we oppose any bans and prefer exclusion zones.

The beach is there for ALL citizens to enjoy, it is PUBLIC PROPERTY and outright banning is not the answer, it creates even more issues. Lets put the thinking caps on and consider some good alternatives for the councillors to think about in the week before the next council meeting.

DM

Bigwavedave said...

Stop publishing the poor CEO's email on this forum!!

He'll get spammed so bad now.

Legitimate emails are ok but don't set the poor bugger up for trolling programs.

It is normal to address correspondence to council via the CEO.

He is also on the beach management committee.

Please send in legitimate arguments for you case to be considered.

Whoever it was that posted those photos should bring them along. It is important that the council understands that when it's blowing 20 knots sand is stinging your legs and if you're lying down your eyes will be filling with sand.

A lot of people don't even know what windsurfing and kitesurfing are because they are playing computer games and eating nachos because 'it's horrible outside'

One thing also worth stressing is that kiters are not the same crowd as for example dirtbike riders. I have met people aged 12-65 engineers, doctors, lawyers, it guys, chefs, teachers, builders, electricians, investment bankers, sailors, - men women children etc