Vote if you want to but don't give your email address unless you want spam from the design website

Please pls pls go & vote. So far the winning design is total carp YUK YUK YUK. Id be embarrassed to see it as our logo.
You dont get to see the polling till uv voted but I'll give you a clue - the first one you see (imo the worst of the worst) is currently no. one.

I sorta like the one by the same artist (its obvious) with the looping green & gold kites.
But they would have to put a bit more 'low aspect' into the kite. Look more like ribbons than kites (obviously not a kiter)
My no. 2 is the green gold kite with the stars. Thats pretty OK

IMO disappointing all round - nothing at all out of the box but we will end up with one of them - apparently.

Heres the link :
99designs.com.au/logo-design/contests/kiteboarding-australia-ka-needs-logo-208099/poll/90uob8/done?utm_source=voting_app&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=voting

AGK said...
What's the link for the poll?

Why didn't Kiteboarding Australia KA give us this info.

Nuget said...

AGK said...
What's the link for the poll?

Why didn't Kiteboarding Australia KA give us this info.

They did. As a member I received the email.
Check if your up to date and they have your correct address

A logo incorporating a donkey as per below would be more appropriate for KA:

I've voted in the Logo comp but at best find the designs pedestrian.

KA why weren't we as members told about this without sufficient notice? & given the chance to design our own logo before you contracted an online service?

What else do you have planned???

luluvic you are obviously taking criticism of your artwork personally which is understandable. I've been in the creative industry for 30 years, get over it move on and do better next time.

My comments were aimed at Kitesurfing Australia and why we as members weren't given sufficient notice to submit our own designs.

@ luluvic
you obviously didnt read my post too well.
Yes I canned your first design but if you read on I also gave an imo that your other one with the looping kites was my favourite. I even made mention of the fact that the designer of my 1st & last choice was one & the same.

I can see no reason why the "ribbons" that are (to a kiter) looping kites cant have a bit more graduated shape to make them recognisably kites at a glance from anyone. There are 1000s of logos around far more complex than that which are easily catered for in every medium. Look at the very fresh Woolworths logo - color, B & W, embroidered on every staff members hat etc etc.
A logo is meant to give visual representation of what it portrays - a rule not always followed but one which should be.
A logo should be a stand-alone symbol. You shouldnt have to rely on the text written name every time you use it. If the 'ribbons' of your looping kites were more kite shaped they would be far more recognisable when & where KA dont want to use the text component. Eg Woolies again. "the fresh food people". How much fresher can you get than having a "BIG W" in a complex spiral which is immediately recognisable as a "W" & as fresh apple peel. AWESOME - someone deserves a raise on that whole deal.

Im not having a go at you personally luluvic. Im encouraging people to have their say and, as I no longer have any direct input to KA (AKSA), I felt I had to have put my 2c's worth in here.
We are all going to have to have live with the outcome and while I dont think it is appropriate for a poll of members from all walks of life (but very few with marketing qualifications or experience) to select the "best' design apparently this is how this one is going.
IMO there are only 2 worth even considering - but hey if its popular choice then thats the democracy we live. All too often (again imo) it results in the lowest common denominator.
I'll bet you it wasnt a poll of customers & staff of Woolies that voted in the apple peel. You need real marketing expertise to create masterpieces like that as well a skillful team of consulting reps to explain to board level decision makers why its so good.

Sorry if I offended luluvic - I just happen to think these things are important.

NoBS said...
A logo incorporating a donkey as per below would be more appropriate for KA:

NoBS having looked at the designs and taking your suggestion as inspiration, I knocked something up real quick. I think I got it right.

GreenPat said...
Thought this was a good spot for a reminder. Don't forget that volunteering some time for your local, state or national kiting club/association/whatever is far more useful than criticising it, constructive or otherwise.

I thought that this is a good spot to remind Forum Administrators that this is supposed to be an open forum where we can ask questions and reply to subjects relating to our sport. We have not been overly rude and the pics we post are suppose to be a little funny. We are only asking questions & discussing recent decisions made by our proposed governing body. BTW why hasn't the proposed national body responded to any of our concerns? Are you acting on their behalf?

IMO, it would be a travesty to KA members to wear or have associated with the current poll leading supposed new KA logo on the 99designs website of the type Luluvic has designed. There is more emphasis put on the letters KA with an unbalanced, intense, awkward, aggressive, busy, angular design that is all about the letters and nothing to with kiting or the feel of kiting whatsoever. Apart from some tack on after thought like "Oh I had better tack a symbolic, minimalistic, possible, kite sort of thingy, representation that hardly looks like the shape of a true kite and hang it somewhere, Oh look, there is a spot off the corner, so that people might identify on the off chance, that it may have something to do with kiting" and "Oh I had better put a miniscle mape of Aussie in there somewhere so people might be able to tell its Australia if the have bionic vision".

When I come to think of it, it would not have been to hard to bias the voting position or favortism of a design by possibly having many friends and aquaintences vote to be able to push their submission to the top of the ladder and it would only stand to reason a designer being enthusiastic and passionate about their design in a competition to get or have their friends and aquaintances try to back them. Instead of something based on it's merits of good design. Not to say it has happenned in this case but there is nothing saying it could'nt be influenced in that manner.

Please accept that I am not taking a personal attack or to disrespect, discredit, Luluvic as a designer or their ability or reputation, only their designs on this occassion, I feel, has missed the mark.

Whereas the entry by Windy Wocket with the Green & Gold and unmistakable dominating more true Kite shape representation logo proporting the Southern Cross looks and feels something I would more identify with that it has some importance and feel about it that it represents a National Australian Organisation involved in Kiteboarding. Out of all other logo submissions this is the one that I feel even comes close to representing an image of our sport that is undeniable an Australian sport in it's image apart from Sir Rowdy's earlier unoffical entry depiction of Aye's Rock etc

I agree with all other comments that there should have been more and better notice to the Kiting community and KA members to have more time, chance, and voting to come up with other submissions that may have been far better choices to represent our sport for it's future. But if there is no other alternatives then I only hope that KA has some forsight and wisdom to see that Windy Wockets submission is the better of the two current top submissions.

I feel I am saying this with some level of ability as I have been involved with design for over 30 years. Please accept I have no affiliations with either the two designers, just that I feel strongly enough that it's something KA should get right for the betterment of our sport.

tazza101 said...
...why do Individual kiteboarding members of Kiteboarding Australia not have any voting rights. This is done by the board of our State Associations.
Not quite right there. Every state has its own KSA which is responsible for all of the issues at state level. Each has a c'tee elected by a vote of members to do the legwork and make the decisions effecting the state KSA and their local kiters. Members are encouraged to join the c'tee &/or attend meetings where decisions are made.
....Each State Association will have 1 vote by its nominated delegate.
Only fair way otherwise 1 or 2 larger states by member nos. could control the whole national organisation.
....The delegate is appointed by the State Association board, not by its members. Go the buddy system.
Each state KSA can chose the method by which they 'select' their own KA representative. There are statutory requirements that must be met. One of them is that'officially' it must be the state board which 'appoints' the rep. If they want to run a member poll to choose the delegate that it is to be appointed is up to the state & its members to decide.
....They have also provided limited information regarding the formation and proposed board of our new national body.
The detail of this huge leap forward from AKSA to a far more professionally legitimate KA structure has been in the planning stages for several years now. It is the state c'tees which have been doing all the groundwork with their reps reporting at group discussions to the other state reps. Its simply an efficient means of making it a national body which is truly representative of each state. Again members of every state are encouraged, welcome & needed to make these things work.

Info on some of Tazza's issued answered within the quote. Tazza's word in italics.

Dont complain guys - get involved. Its not spy vs spy its just dedicated volunteer kiters trying to make the whole sport better for everyone.

As for your comment on the 'buddy system'. U gotta laugh at that.
"Pssst - hey mate Ive got this great insider trader deal going for you. Ill put your name up & push thru the vote so you're a certainty for a position where you can spend hours and hours of your spare time every week working for nothing"
With mates like that you dont need enemies.

Wasnt having a go at you Tazza. As you can see I tried to answer some concerns because; as you say; this a forum where people should raise these issues and where others should fill in the blanks where they can. All good - great in fact.

The best way to get action though - rather than answers - is to raise your concerns directly to your state KSA body. Emails make it easy. I know WAKSA was always hot on 1) responding & 2) raising members concerns/opinions etc at every meeting.
Forum banter is followed by those c'tee members who are into the forums but it is always just reported as 'trends' rather than specific feedback.

My 'dont complain act' comment was meant purely as encouragement for kiters to put more into your sport rather than simply sitting on the sidelines criticising what those who are in there doing it are coming up with. We are a very young, growing & evolving sport with a growing & evolving set of KSA's & the KA. Its the prehistoric era of development so Im the first to agree it needs to develop into a mature association. It takes time; & a lot input from a lot of different people with different skills to offer; to make it come of age.
But the bottom line is - if you could see it from the inside & from the past - YOUR state & national bodies are rocketing ahead along that path.

I was very surprised of the short time frame and lack of feedback KA gave the designers. My design, that is currently second, was an initial design and was chosen over my more develop designs :(

I'm no professional but think I have a keen eye for design and I was a little disappointed. I researched other international logos such as kitesurfing, sailing, olympic, etc and thought my developed designs stood up. Let me know what you think. KA said they looked to much like moons, which is fair enough. But the Spanish, Canadian, and French Kiteboarding Federations and the IKA must also think that kites look like moons too ;)

Initial design



Developed designs

I strongly suggest you forward your developed no.1 logo direct to KA via email & alert them to this forum discussion.

Thanks for the feedback puppetonastring, unfortunately both my developed designs were put forward on 99designs but they were not chosen for the final round by KA.

I am more than willing to adapt the design to make the kites look less like moons but I wasn't given any time. I had submitted the designs around 3-4 days before the contest closed and I only got the feedback about them looking like moons late on the night before the contest finished. I had work the next day so had no time to amend :(

I'm not too fussed, but IMO i thought my developed designs ticked all the boxes and are much better than the ones in the current pole.