awesome find; that alone is enough to debunk the whole survey.

oh no, I guess not... these threads tend to go on for months, while people aimlessly (and tirelessly) debate the science that everyone else moved on from years ago.

KIT33R said...

China is currently bringing on line every week 1 new coal fired power station. That's 52 new coal fired power stations every year. They have plans for 200 nuclear power stations in the near future. China is rapidly moving into the first world (1 billion people). Also, look out here comes India, another billion.
The Rudd governments puny attempt to reduce our CO2 emissions by 5% by 2020 is a joke and will have no effect of global emissions.

China have just commited to reduing 2005 greenhouse emissions by 40-45% of GDP by 2020. USA by 17%. Aussie 5%

Supersane said...

KIT33R said...

China is currently bringing on line every week 1 new coal fired power station. That's 52 new coal fired power stations every year. They have plans for 200 nuclear power stations in the near future. China is rapidly moving into the first world (1 billion people). Also, look out here comes India, another billion.
The Rudd governments puny attempt to reduce our CO2 emissions by 5% by 2020 is a joke and will have no effect of global emissions.

China have just commited to reduing 2005 greenhouse emissions by 40-45% of GDP by 2020. USA by 17%. Aussie 5%

Yes, but their overall emissions will still continue to rise I'm afraid.

Maybe i'm missing something, but i simply dont understand how
Rudd wants to reduce our emissions on one hand and double the
population on the other.

We are screwed anyway, as governments around the world are all
striving for positive economic growth. Look at how they shi!
themselves whenever the word recession is mentioned.

Growth, be it economic or population is simply not sustainable in
the long term and the sooner governments around the world admit
to this the better off the planet will be.

China are a big up and commer in renewables... they've seen an opportunity to make big $$

Yea whats this distinction between artificial and natural. We evolved here thru Natural selection some or most may die thru this natural system whatever! Too many too much disrespect for our pad swim thru our **** who will be selected.
Just had the best week of wind and waves new Ozone plastic fantastic funpac inspired who gives a ****.
Y O L O MAKE PEACE WITH NATURE AND YOUR N

Wheather or not you's believe climate change is man made or not, there are a number of indusputable facts

1. CO2 leavels have increased dramaticaly over last hundered years due to us burning fossile fuels; and this is going to increase as we burn more.

2. Average sea temperature is rising.

3. Acidity leavels in the ocean are rising due to dissolved CO2.

Wheather or not these changes are having a effect on climate may be open to question, but what is not open to question are the above facts.

ADS said...

Nice job Flysurfer! HIDE THE DECLINE may not top the charts, but an important message none the less.

Quite a catchy song, I liked the video.
However, if you actually look at the graphs IN the video. Well, I took one at random

At first glance this appears to show carbon shooting up and temperature staying stable. But look at what the axis are showing. Temperature is shown as variation, not an actual figure.
Therefore it actually shows carbon increasing AND temperature increasing by 0-0.6 degrees



Well, I thought it was funny anyway

Is it possible to be a Right Wing Liberal Green? I think I maybe 1.

Here's something I would be 100% behind, and that is en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_emission_standards Euro5 for ALL commercial vehicles, and Euro3 for all others.

How many times have u been behind some van and it's belched out some BLACK cloud of God knows what... and then u've had to close the outside vent so the black cloud doesn't come in ur car a kill u?
I would even back interest free loans to buy the new commercial vehicles.

Nickoff: Your facts are crap... human activity has increase CO2 2%, but it's not just caused by burn fossil fuels (I believe oil is en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin) but by a manifold of factors including DEFORESTATION.
And sea temperatures AREN'T rising according to NASA JPL, they've been falling www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2006/s2704.htm

So turn off your TV, and learn to think for yourself :)

Greenies and hippies unite

AND there's nothing anyone can do to stop it!

Climate change or not, you can't tell me that the methods used, their accuracy and number of measurements taken haven't changed in the last 60 years?

Surely today's thermometers etc are way more accurate than their predecessors and wouldn't this then influence the data being collected? How could any scientist using today's data against that collected way back then make a valid hypothesis either way?

robbiminator said...

On Rant:
Trading hot air? Whatever next? How much CO2 does Gore create by travelling the globe in his private jet and motorcade? Ditto K Rudd?
Anyway, all the problems Australia and the world are facing are caused by one thing and one thing only: Overpopulation. One in six is already starving yet people still breed. We're supposedly running out of oil, gas, coal, water etc yet people keep breeding.
Unless overpopulation is dealt with everything else amounts to re-arranging the deckchairs on The Titanic. I know the Freemasons are trying to control the population by introducing AIDS, SARS and various kinds of flu, but it's not enough.

Imagine if they found a cure for cancer

I am sick of all the comments of 'we can not make any difference'. Europe, at the start of the last century, had such bad smog that you could often not see the sky. The continent banded together and made a huge difference (banning peat fires, cleaning up manufacturing processes etc), there is no reason the world can not do the same again, given our greater understanding and technology.

Here are a couple of non-emotional, practical ideas on how we can make a local difference. If we all act locally, that adds up to a big difference.

1. Shops, public spaces, restaurants etc have doors so their air conditioners/heaters are operating in a confined space, not trying to cool/heat an open air mall. We can influence this by supporting shops with doors rather than open fronts, and telling the shops with open fronts that we dont like it.

2. Remove decorative lighting from cities, like the spot lights tracking around the sky, christmas lights, flood lighting on the sides of bridges etc. This would not only remove a huge power consumption form our grid, but also help wildlife by reducing light pollution. Special event exemptions can be made eg. for a fair, fund raising event, the local christmas concert etc.

3. Purchase goods produced locally and packaged sensibly. Why cant the whole of Aust ban plastic bags and excessive packaging, SA set a pretty good start, are the rest of us so apathetic we cant help out...

4. Give 1 day a year to a tree planting charity; if we all plant 50 trees, 1 day a year, in Australia that is around 100 Million extra trees every year. (this would eventually help problems like dry land salinity also)

5. Dont print stuff; paper production accounts for something like 35% of tree felling, not to mention the energy in transport, manufacture, water consumption etc.

6. Dont send cards - birthday, christmas etc, instead talk to the person, write your message directly onto the present or email a pretty pic.

There is so much we can do, get your heads out of the sand and think about how much better you feel when in touch with nature, isnt that half the reason we all like water / wind sports.

This makes quite good reading if you are interested in reading about the prospect of a no growth economy which is in my mind the only hope for the planet. It will come but I hate to think how bad it still has to get before the accumulators wise up. It will be through their hip pockets that the decision will be made.

http://harpers.org/archive/2008/03/0081958