DC23 said...

my Ideal mutent board would be something between the CB Wave and Ocean Rodeo Mako 150 or Mako King.

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From the Mako:
- i like the rounded tips
- large deck pad and with straps

From the CB Wave:
- similar outline of the board but with rounded tips
- double concave bottom
- 2 small fins on the front, thruster at the tail.

i also think foot straps that are much wider (2-3 x wider than your foot) would be a good thing to try out.
your feet would not be locked in as much as normal straps so you can move your foot position back and forth on the board from central to tail bias.

I here where you are coming from, just be aware if you round the tips you will lose some planing area. Surfboards have all sorts of tail shapes, round, pin, squash, square etc. They are basically designed with performance in mind and the width that is left towards the rear of the board.
I read somewhere the tail shape is superfluous, (its a nice way of finishing the board) its the bottom shape and width area that dictates the performance. So if you use it as a mutant, you could have a different nose and tail shape and enhance the performance.
Just a thought.

I like the foot pad idea.

bearbusa said...

Have tried quite a few mutants, hated them till i tried Jimmy lewis Rad F , have used it from small chop to 4 meter waves at margs, lacks lenght in the bigger waves but all mutants do ,worth trying, been on one for 3 years now, quality built and preformance.

Tried a CB wave?

You know what. I never thought there was so many latent mutant users out there!.

no mutant discussion is complete without looking ay decays Cutlass.

Now that is a thing of beauty.

I definitely feel that any modern mutant should have surfboard type rails. I find that riding waves on my Shinn would be better if the rails were more forgiving, particularly when working up and down the wave face. This may affect the boards upwind ability, which is exceptional, but is worth the trade off.

terminal said...

The main problem with mutants is the nose rocker and foot placements.

You want more nose rocker when wave riding and less when riding out.

You want your feet closer to the tail when wave riding and closer to the nose when riding out.

If you had a flexible nose that stayed up naturally but could be flattenened when using a foostrap closer to the nose it might work better on the way out

So... if you rode the mutant bacwards out the nose would be flatter and feet would be closer the nose. then transition to fowards for back to the beach. Thats my plan.

PS i've mutanted my TT and will do a trial test before i start the mutant build.

Hey Plummet and Friends
I ride a RRD toxic wave 2, a 155cm small wave board that you can ride backwards no probs at all .......Cons- it feels like a 130cm twin tip in the backward hand so you need to be powered up so you can plane out through the surf , however it is nice and easy to ride, no surprises it doesn't nosedive, edges upwind very well .
Pro,s Rides fantastic on a wave and flat when in the prefer-ed direction. It has a couple of stance set ups, and is able to set up for your stance( natural or goofy), I am goofy footed so no one wants to borrow it (even better) I stood it next to a spleen zone and they looked very similar in all dimensions , fantastic wave riding board that you can ride through all conditions heel side . less fatigue, and safe if you end up in the wrong place if the surf gets ugly , Hope this gives you an idea ,cheers JGF

Plummet said...

terminal said...

The main problem with mutants is the nose rocker and foot placements.

You want more nose rocker when wave riding and less when riding out.

You want your feet closer to the tail when wave riding and closer to the nose when riding out.

If you had a flexible nose that stayed up naturally but could be flattenened when using a foostrap closer to the nose it might work better on the way out

So... if you rode the mutant bacwards out the nose would be flatter and feet would be closer the nose. then transition to fowards for back to the beach. Thats my plan.

PS i've mutanted my TT and will do a trial test before i start the mutant build.

Yeah. I guess the nose would be fairly wide with a fairly straight rocker toward the nose end and the flexing would take place inside your foot, and your foot would have to be near the nose.

Some mutant waveriding and jumping in this. The other alternative would be always to ride a mutant forwards and board off switch feet on the last jump out?

www.dailymotion.com/video/xgyxas

If you wanna do both get a half-surfboard/half-twintip?
Otherwise known as a ......?

Well it might do if he was on a mutant, not on a twintip 138.

surfingboye said...

I'm surprised no one has said this yet...
But mutants are so ghey...

If you wanna ride waves get a surfboard, if you wanna boost off said waves get a twin tip...!?

Funny I think using a SB in onshore perth slop is gay, looks gay and feels gay. Tried it for a year and didn't see the point. So the CB wave is a good compromise and gives so much more freedom. But...

I agree with the foot placement problem, you want to have your back foot further back when hitting the wave coming into shore for more acute bottom turns.

I think i want more TT style than surf style. I'm not driven to constantly ride down the line like a hardcore surfer. I want the some of the aspects of TT riding and some of the aspects of Sb riding. I'm looking foward to the build.








Yeh that's where the CB wave sits more on the tt side of the spectrum, and same as you, that is what I was looking for. Now and then I crank up on a sb when the swell is worth it, and you will never get the same feel and flow of a sb, but for 90 percent of the time the cb wave is the go. Didn't get the sb virus it seems, but I must say a sb on an awesome day rocks. But how many of them do we get?

KIT33R you also didn't catch the SB disease! Me too man, cold early morning winter swells....that's the ticket!

But there are a few occasions locally when the SB on the kite is the only way to go.

BTW - over summer i tried a CB wave, Underground SRF and North X-ride.

Personally the CB wave was awesome but I would have liked the option to put straps more central.

Agree with Eppo - CB Wave's upwind ability with thruster forward was outstanding. Liked a lot about it (and SRF was decent too) but at the end of the day I still like a standard TT with a surf-ish outline and tips, with twin fins and no thruster.

I miss the ability to choose whether I want to go for a bit of mush natural or goofy with same response/tracking either direction.
Strange I know - but I kind of like pushing smaller twin fins until they are starting to break out too, the gouge/slide/recover is great fun. Keeps it interesting.

North 136 X-ride was excellent but would have liked to try the 140 model for even better plaining on waves. North S-curve fins held very well for littlies.

rydo said...

I am thinking about building a mutant based on the cardboard wave. I want to keep construction reasonably simple for my first board so was going to use a few layers of thin marine ply resined together to form the rocker. Then to seal the timber I think I will use marine varnish.
For the front fins I will just use standard tt fins but for the rear thruster setup I was thinking I could resin some fcs plugs into the ply Then I could cut down some old fins to the right size.
does anybody know if this could work?

Yes, it would:

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However, you'll need a fiberglass not varnish. One jump and it will break if only varnishing...Being there, done that:)

Plummet said...

Well i have to admit that i am in the world class wave/wind machine here. it is astoundingly good compared to every other place i've kitesurfed in NZ. So waves are good on a regular basis at my local and down the coast 30-50 mins on any day of the week you will be unluckly not to find head height plus waves.

So.... most of the kiters locally are hardcore knarly ex surfers and windsurfers and 80% of the riders are dedicated to SB's. They shred it up something fierce on the sb's. there is no 2 ways about that.

but my style is different. So i think the Mutant will suit my style perfectly. Bring on the bamboo mutant.

Watch this space.






Yeh plummet if that was our local conditions then I'd say the sb would be for me. But they are not. Look forward to seeing the creation unfold.