4 hours intense kitesurfing=absolutely trashed

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Dave Whettingsteel
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10 Dec 2012 10:07pm
I reckon 4 hours is a pretty big session without a break. Not accusing you mike, but I reckon people regularly over estimate how long they are out for.

These are good problems to have ....
Windchaser
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11 Dec 2012 12:10am
How can you call that " intense "
I call it ULTRA SOFT !!!
I've kited with the Old Men in Sydney who are just getting warmed up after 6 hrs or 7 hrs in the surf at Wanda ... Then they head back to Botany bay for their cracker jack Big Air sessions...Now that's intense !
... By the way how's it going Moritz...haven't seen you on the Forum for an eternity.
RPM
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11 Dec 2012 5:33am
Mikedobee said...

Hi guys,
I was wondering if anyone else needs 3-4 days to recover from an intense kitesurfing session like myself. My entire body aches, sun burn on my legs (the only place I didn't apply sun screen), eyes burn, sea water taste in my mouth for a couple of days, blisters on my hands, a bruise or two from my board.

Sounds familiar?




FFS... Meowwwwww
dafish
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11 Dec 2012 8:35am
This is too funny, and I think the bowl of cement here does apply.
For those who are in their thirties and complaining I find that funny too. I am almost 52 and do four hours regularly. I might do 2 hours straight, then get a drink of water, and head out again. I hate standing on the beach. The first 20 minutes are always the hardest as my feet cramp a little and then settle in. After that its on as long as there is wind and daylight and no other pressing business matters.
Stretching is the key. Both before and after. Do it at home before you leave. Even five minutes is enough for most people.
I agree 100 percent on the supplements described by the others. As I hit 50 it became apparent that my body needed those or I would be in a world of hurt in the knees and some of my finger joints. Last month I ran out of most of those supplements, and I was good for about 4 days, maybe a week. Then my knee started giving me hell, (left had acl tear and surgery 30+ years ago, right torn meniscus four years ago and surgery, and then last year torn medial) . I feel the medial problem a little when the joint is not lubricated. I went into town and stocked up on the goods and it took another two weeks before it would all settle down. I kite every day there is wind. And the way I see it, I have at least 30 more years of this in me. I figure my the time I hit my eighties my jumps will always be pillow soft landings.
Bottom line is, "Use it or lose it!"
Cement comes in several flavors.
Plummet
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11 Dec 2012 8:17am
So have none of you have had sessions that were so intense that you are completely smashed after a couple of hours or so?

If not then all the concrete pill callers in this thread need to take a dose of chopper and harden the F^%k up and do a really hardcore session.

Sure anyone can cruise around for hours. But I bet your not doing 4hrs of lenten style kiteloops or riding 40 knots in 5m swell and calling it easy!

dafish
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11 Dec 2012 11:55am
Yes, but the body can only handle a couple of hours of those kind of stresses. It is the exhilaration that enables you to stay our for the mere two hours. Those sessions are different and you have to be so Aware the whole time.
Plummet
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11 Dec 2012 9:34am
dafish said...
Yes, but the body can only handle a couple of hours of those kind of stresses. It is the exhilaration that enables you to stay our for the mere two hours. Those sessions are different and you have to be so Aware the whole time.



I did 19 hours in 30-40+ knots a few years ago... that was intense the whole damn time.

Thought i'd only last and hour or so but the body got to a level of pain and just stayed there.

PS I was sore for a couple of weeks after that nutty day.
eppo
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11 Dec 2012 10:31am
Mikedobee said...
Woooow, lads, slow down. I said intense kitesurfing, going out 100 m, Practice a trick, go back, try another trick, and so on. Plus the water was pretty choppy.

Some stretching could help before and after the session, but never really seen anyone doing it though.



I'm with you Mike on this one (finnally), most people I see are just mowing the lawn or surfing...(fire up boys, lol), but aggressive riding can be taxing, the kind of riding where the sport becomes aerobic as well, where you are out of breath. I personally will be putting in a stretch routine, the body is starting to crack and take much much longer to recover from injuries. Bloody middle age!



..and Subby yeh man let's chat. Just call me monk-ey. Or village idiot either or.
eppo
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11 Dec 2012 10:36am
dafish said...
This is too funny, and I think the bowl of cement here does apply.
For those who are in their thirties and complaining I find that funny too. I am almost 52 and do four hours regularly. I might do 2 hours straight, then get a drink of water, and head out again. I hate standing on the beach. The first 20 minutes are always the hardest as my feet cramp a little and then settle in. After that its on as long as there is wind and daylight and no other pressing business matters.
Stretching is the key. Both before and after. Do it at home before you leave. Even five minutes is enough for most people.
I agree 100 percent on the supplements described by the others. As I hit 50 it became apparent that my body needed those or I would be in a world of hurt in the knees and some of my finger joints. Last month I ran out of most of those supplements, and I was good for about 4 days, maybe a week. Then my knee started giving me hell, (left had acl tear and surgery 30+ years ago, right torn meniscus four years ago and surgery, and then last year torn medial) . I feel the medial problem a little when the joint is not lubricated. I went into town and stocked up on the goods and it took another two weeks before it would all settle down. I kite every day there is wind. And the way I see it, I have at least 30 more years of this in me. I figure my the time I hit my eighties my jumps will always be pillow soft landings.
Bottom line is, "Use it or lose it!"
Cement comes in several flavors.






What supplements dafish?
eppo
eppo
WA
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11 Dec 2012 10:37am
dafish said...
This is too funny, and I think the bowl of cement here does apply.
For those who are in their thirties and complaining I find that funny too. I am almost 52 and do four hours regularly. I might do 2 hours straight, then get a drink of water, and head out again. I hate standing on the beach. The first 20 minutes are always the hardest as my feet cramp a little and then settle in. After that its on as long as there is wind and daylight and no other pressing business matters.
Stretching is the key. Both before and after. Do it at home before you leave. Even five minutes is enough for most people.
I agree 100 percent on the supplements described by the others. As I hit 50 it became apparent that my body needed those or I would be in a world of hurt in the knees and some of my finger joints. Last month I ran out of most of those supplements, and I was good for about 4 days, maybe a week. Then my knee started giving me hell, (left had acl tear and surgery 30+ years ago, right torn meniscus four years ago and surgery, and then last year torn medial) . I feel the medial problem a little when the joint is not lubricated. I went into town and stocked up on the goods and it took another two weeks before it would all settle down. I kite every day there is wind. And the way I see it, I have at least 30 more years of this in me. I figure my the time I hit my eighties my jumps will always be pillow soft landings.
Bottom line is, "Use it or lose it!"
Cement comes in several flavors.






What supplements dafish? How lazy am I, can't scroll back a page...lol
kitebored
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11 Dec 2012 1:43pm
You need one of these exercisers..

dafish
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11 Dec 2012 1:53pm
First a foremost, a banana in the morning...potassium. Stops cramping, good kickstarter for the day.
Fishoil
magnesium
calcium and zinc
glucosamine with chondroitin
plenty of fresh garlic in the diet.
vit c
They all make a difference over a period of time, unlike a couple of ibuprophene that works straight away.... :)
blueseas
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11 Dec 2012 1:30pm
Just to make mike feel better, 2 hours of powered up riding/ tricks is my averave limit... Love the soreness though. Last time I had a few 3 and 4 hour sessions in a go, I fked my back up for about 2 months of no kiting at all. I have to force myself to listen to my body now, and go in when I start getting tired/ stacking it every time I try something. I go out 3-5 times a week. Disclosure: I am a girl and I'm not ashamed of my stamina- its about quality not quantity!!! Haha so there.
Plummet
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11 Dec 2012 12:43pm
eppo said...
I personally will be putting in a stretch routine, the body is starting to crack .


endow me with your stretch routine eppo.
stamp
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11 Dec 2012 2:50pm
where can you kite for 19 hours straight plummet?
RPM
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11 Dec 2012 12:53pm
Plummet said...
eppo said...
I personally will be putting in a stretch routine, the body is starting to crack .


endow me with your stretch routine eppo.


Involves left hand, right hand, backhand while looking at North Rebel and Ozone Edge posters in the toilet!
eppo
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11 Dec 2012 1:43pm
Lol, classic! But as far as the edges go, not so far from the truth.

Maybe I should change my routine, still getting injured.

PM me Plummett with ya email, send ya something man.
Mark _australia
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11 Dec 2012 2:14pm
Plummet said...


It is weird how it hurts everywhere, but if you get on the water 24hrs later then it does not hurt.


Its called active recovery. you work the lactic acid out of your body by working it.





But why do you not get lactic acid effects from the second or third sesh, that's what I wonder. Sesh two works out the soreness from sesh one. But surely generates it's own? Hmmm

Anyway who cares I will join the club like 90% of the posters here and say "man up Mike", nobody here is any less that a fkn legend, no noobs, nobody feels pain and everybody else must be useless.

Gorgo
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11 Dec 2012 5:35pm
Because there are no lactic acid effects.

Google lactic acid and read any of the articles you see. Here's one www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-does-lactic-acid-buil/

The pain is not caused by lactic acid. The pain is caused by general stress and strain and minor damage to the muscles. The pain goes away because your body adapts to the stresses and strains and the minor muscle damage is soon repaired.

Similarly, there is no evidence that stretching does anything to help prevent muscle damage or soreness.

Same goes for magic foods and supplements (unless it's EPO or human growth hormone)

Warming up effectively does help avoid injury.

All of this stuff is part of a myth coming from the natural human desire to be better at stuff and the wish that if we did "exactly the right special thing" we would get better.

If it were all true we would be able to do the thing and take the stuff and get exponentially better at whatever it we do. This is clearly not the case.

The reality is that a balanced diet, plenty of exercise and plenty of rest, doing something you enjoy doing, and focussed and committed practice makes you as good as you can be.

Short of actual injury most physical pain is simply your body's alarm bells being overly conservative. There is nothing wrong with you. You don't need treatment for everything that happens.
stabber
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11 Dec 2012 5:57pm
I think the real question is, Would you go again the next day?

I think thats a definite "yes".... we push thru it again and again....If the wind allows.
Plummet
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11 Dec 2012 4:44pm
stamp said...
where can you kite for 19 hours straight plummet?


On the land buddy. To be fair it was 19 hours in a 24hour period. so 12hours a break of 5 hours fixing stuff then another 7 hours.

Read about it here.

ozonekites.com/land

Watch it here.




Mikedobee
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11 Dec 2012 11:04pm
Knowing what to do and doing what you know, unfortunately are different.

I know:
I have to use sun screen on every part of the body that will be in the direct sun light;
I know I should have at least 10 minutes of stretching before and 10 minutes after each session
I know that every 1 hour at least I should come back, reapply sun screen, drink plenty of water, eat something, regain my breath 10-15 minutes
I know that when my session starts I have to take it step by step and get in the intense stuff after at least 30 minutes of cruisin, so the body can adjust.

HOWEVER, this is what I do:
Find a place away from other kiters or other beach goers really fast, change super fast while throwing away all my clothes, pretend I got enough sun screen, while trying to find the hose of the pump. Find the hose, prepare to inflate super fast. Unfortunately it doesn't work, of course I put the hose on the "deflate" way. Pump the kite in a record time. Grab the board. Can't find the keys to lock the car (**** it, it's Australia=it's safe, I am sure nobody will touch anything). Get the kite up in the air, and straight in the water. After 10 seconds the first jump. Then time for a jump with a kiteloop, then let's try that nose grab, and so on......after 4 hours (I actually record all my sessions), I am so trashed, I can't even be ****ed to wash my gear with fresh water. Next days=recovery.

It's because I love this sport so much and my passion for it it's crazy, I can't take my time to do the entire routine, I need to be kitting ASAP.
Mikedobee
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11 Dec 2012 11:10pm
Plummet said...
stamp said...
where can you kite for 19 hours straight plummet?


On the land buddy. To be fair it was 19 hours in a 24hour period. so 12hours a break of 5 hours fixing stuff then another 7 hours.

Read about it here.

ozonekites.com/land

Watch it here.







That is awesome mate. Must have been an amazing adventure. Where is that place again?
Mikedobee
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11 Dec 2012 11:19pm
Dave Whettingsteel said...
I reckon 4 hours is a pretty big session without a break. Not accusing you mike, but I reckon people regularly over estimate how long they are out for.

These are good problems to have ....


I know it's crazy, but I actually record all my sessions (time,date, location, wind conditions, any new tricks I've learnt that session). Therefore, know for sure how long I've been out there. And Yes, I know it's a long session. People that state otherwise, are super super fit, bull**** pros or just cruise around while meditating.
RPM
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11 Dec 2012 9:03pm
What a bell end.. Just people are too P.C to say it here on SB for fear of red thumbs.

Jeez
Plummet
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12 Dec 2012 5:14am
Mikedobee said...


That is awesome mate. Must have been an amazing adventure. Where is that place again?


Thats south head of the kaipara habour in nz.

Yes indeed it was amazing and stupid at the same time. I remember launching my 8m at 12.30 am as I could hardly walk foward as it was that windy. the kite had that crazy bat flapping noise going on. 30 to 40+ during the night was insane. you couldn't see the squalls comming. yourd be kiting along then slam 40 knots of madness. torrential rain and no visablity doing 50+ kph on the beach. Crazy indeed.

But I survived and will do it again one day. perhaps not in 30-40 knots of wind though. that was tooo silly.
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