why do you care

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Pcdefender said..
According to the Australian TGA there is around140K adverse events reports.

Yes, some of those who reported harm had more than one adverse reaction.

Estimated only around 10 percent of all harm is ever reported.

So the number is massive.

They pushed the lie often on the MSM safe and effective.

With injuries it is therefore not safe.

You forget that the vast majority of adverse events were things like "sore arm", "aching joints", "headache"... all resolved in a day or two. I have presented these data to you several times, but you continue to lie.

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D3 said..
If you're threshold for whether a treatment or medical procedure is safe is : Zero injuries.

Then, it seems a fair chunk of our effective treatments (anti biotics, antivirals, pain relief etc) are unsafe.
Also a lot of SCAM treatments (acupuncture, chiropractic, essential oils etc) are also unsafe.

Even Ivermectin and HCQ have reported deaths on DAEN

Big Pharma told us Panadol was safe and effective...

"There has been a concerning increase in paracetamol poisonings, and resulting liver damage in Australia over the last decade...

The annual number of cases of paracetamol poisoning increased by 44% from 2007-2008 to 2016-2017. In that time, we recorded more than 95,000 paracetamol-related hospitalisations...

More than 200 people died from paracetamol poisoning in Australia in the ten year period."

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fangman said..

Cos I was a bit bored I asked the Oracle of Human Knowledge - aka ChatGPT, what sports could I do where the risk of an adverse event was less than that of COVID vaccination. The answer was Croquet.
The evidence I saw as a little kid when I was with my Gran at Mt Hawthorn Croquet Club would not support this recommendation. The old girls were pretty damn feisty at times and probably spiked the opposition's pikelets and sandwiches.

"Risks associated with croquet:

The most common injury amongst croquet players is a sprained or broken wrist, caused by tripping over the hoops, balls, boundary boards, fox holes or your own mallet, and often while walking backwards

Keep aware of the lawn furniture and conditions

Every spot on the lawn can be reached by walking forwards. Eschew other gaits and directions

Croquet balls are hard and can be propelled at speed

When double-banking (particularly) or playing GC, you may be on the lawn when someone else is striking the ball

Remain aware while on the lawn. Retire behind a boundary board when not required on the lawn

Do not try to stop a speeding ball with your foot

Lawn treatments we use include weed killers and fertilizers that are harmful if ingested, wash your hands before putting anything to your mouth"

Have I missed a memo somewhere ?

Do I have stay locked up and unable to cross the street until 95% of people have played at least two croquet games ?

www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/04/10/1168141163/the-dream-of-wiping-out-polio-might-need-a-rethink

These strains were originally part of oral polio vaccine. They were shed in human stool from those who'd been inoculated and mutated in the wild, regaining strength and becoming just as dangerous as the original virus.

Health officials were aware that the virus in the oral vaccine could mutate, ........ "We were seduced by the fact that it was cheap. It caused contact immunity. It was easy to give," ...... "Last year there were only 30 cases of wild polio detected while there were nearly 800 cases of vaccine-derived polio.

So in an ironic twist, countries are now launching emergency vaccination campaigns to protect children from outbreaks linked to earlier vaccination campaigns.

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Pcdefender said..

I assume you got this image from henrymakow.com. Henry is "what you get when you cross a men's rights activist with paranoid conspiracy theorist. Makow believes the world is controlled by nefarious Judeo-Masonic/Satanic/Commie forces, spearheaded by the Rockefeller Foundation. He also believes that the aforementioned concocted feminism, so that women wouldn't have children, as part of depopulation efforts. His writings can be found on notorious websites Whale.to, Jesus-is-savior.com, and Alex Jones' PrisonPlanet."

Joe, maybe if sufficient number of reported cases of costochondritis are verified occuring after vaccination with Commentary (not Covalia), then it will be listed.

At the moment, there's 251 reports with costochondritis out of approx 47 million doses. (Hint: it's a pretty low rate)

But your arguments that it's the spike protein causing it would also need to be verified, specifically because there are so many differences between Comirnaty and Covalia. (Most sources can only guess as to the cause of costochondritis)

Your cigarette sorta analogy: there was overwhelming evidence that smoking any (not just Philip Morris) cigarette increased cancer rates. They didn't claim that any cigarette containing one specific ingredient would cause cancer. From there we've managed to realise that inhaling smoke of any sort is not a good idea.

We banned asbestos because airborne asbestos was causing mesothelioma. Same fibres, same delivery method (inhalation)

manufactured stone benchtops : I'm not particularly up to speed with it, but do we try to control/limit exposure to RCS from other sources?
Maybe they just went with the hazard reduction triangle and realised the most practicable solution to the hazard posed by engineered stone was to substitute it?

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psychojoe said..

remery said..

Pcdefender said..

That's a really dark thing to post. Even worse if you're implying that the vaccine would have saved her.

Have another look at the quoted post. Have think and see if you get the point I was making.

"Injection site discomfort and fatigue were the most common side effect observed in mRNA, non-replicating viral vector, inactivated, and protein subunit-based vaccines. All the approved vaccines were found safe and efficacious but mRNA-based vaccines were found to be more efficacious against SARSCoV2 than other platforms."

Safety and efficacy of COVID?19 vaccines: A systematic review and meta-analysis of controlled and randomized clinical trials
Reviews in Medical Virology 34 (1), e2507, 2024

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D3 said..
Joe, maybe if sufficient number of reported cases of costochondritis are verified occuring after vaccination with Commentary (not Covalia), then it will be listed.

At the moment, there's 251 reports with costochondritis out of approx 47 million doses. (Hint: it's a pretty low rate)

But your arguments that it's the spike protein causing it would also need to be verified, specifically because there are so many differences between Comirnaty and Covalia. (Most sources can only guess as to the cause of costochondritis)

Your cigarette sorta analogy: there was overwhelming evidence that smoking any (not just Philip Morris) cigarette increased cancer rates. They didn't claim that any cigarette containing one specific ingredient would cause cancer. From there we've managed to realise that inhaling smoke of any sort is not a good idea.

We banned asbestos because airborne asbestos was causing mesothelioma. Same fibres, same delivery method (inhalation)

manufactured stone benchtops : I'm not particularly up to speed with it, but do we try to control/limit exposure to RCS from other sources?
Maybe they just went with the hazard reduction triangle and realised the most practicable solution to the hazard posed by engineered stone was to substitute it?

I really like your comment. My case wasn't reported. The other two guys I know with costochondritis didn't report it. Stands to reason that the cases are so low if no-one is reporting.

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psychojoe said..

D3 said..
Joe, maybe if sufficient number of reported cases of costochondritis are verified occuring after vaccination with Commentary (not Covalia), then it will be listed.

At the moment, there's 251 reports with costochondritis out of approx 47 million doses. (Hint: it's a pretty low rate)

But your arguments that it's the spike protein causing it would also need to be verified, specifically because there are so many differences between Comirnaty and Covalia. (Most sources can only guess as to the cause of costochondritis)

Your cigarette sorta analogy: there was overwhelming evidence that smoking any (not just Philip Morris) cigarette increased cancer rates. They didn't claim that any cigarette containing one specific ingredient would cause cancer. From there we've managed to realise that inhaling smoke of any sort is not a good idea.

We banned asbestos because airborne asbestos was causing mesothelioma. Same fibres, same delivery method (inhalation)

manufactured stone benchtops : I'm not particularly up to speed with it, but do we try to control/limit exposure to RCS from other sources?
Maybe they just went with the hazard reduction triangle and realised the most practicable solution to the hazard posed by engineered stone was to substitute it?

I really like your comment. My case wasn't reported. The other two guys I know with costochondritis didn't report it. Stands to reason that the cases are so low if no-one is reporting.

Yours wasn't reported because it was captured in the trial?
And wouldn't be reported as post approval event for a different vaccine anyway.

Strange the other guys didn't report theirs. I've received a text with a link to the reporting system after each dose.
3 prompted opportunities to report at 3, 8 and 42 days after vaccination.

Theirs nothing stopping them from reporting now

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D3 said..
.....Independent of the mandate issue.

Yep, but in this case I don't know that the definition of 'safe' can be assessed independant of the mandate issue.

'Safe' is going to be different for everyone and everyone's situation. A fit, healthy person in their early thirties travelling remote areas of WA and sleeping in a van with little contact with other people will have a different assessment of 'safe and effective' than a 80 year old in a busy old folks home, mingling with multiple other old folks who have covid.

Up above it is mentioned 251 severe reactions in 47 million doses. It is also mentioned the oral polio vax is no longer used because of the risk of polio developing from that was unsafe, said to be 1 in 2.4 million risk. So 251 in 47 million is 13 times a bigger risk than what is considered unsafe.

Different people, different situations will have different assessments. The mandate was a mandate. It didn't consider different situations.

People should take responsibility for their own actions. That includes assessing the risk and the reward. The risk of being in lockdown for ever if we didn't get to 95% or people having two doses is a pretty big weighting to one side. You can't just ignore that now because it is convenient to forget about it as having any weighting in the argument.

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FormulaNova said..
I think even I suffered costochondritis. I had chest pain in that area and when I went to the GP she immediately herded me off to a chest pain clinic. Where they found... nothing. Heart seemed to have checked out fine, so they pretty much said 'keep an eye on it and if it gets worse see your doctor'.

All this in 2018 so I can't even blame it on Covid or the vaccine for Covid.

I wonder if it is related to kiting or windsurfing or weightlifting?

Normal costochondritis resolves itself in a couple of months. For me to have it for years was abnormal. If it comes back try some chest expansion exercises, According to the physio, making the chest bigger allows space for the inflammation. I'm up to tuck planche and handstand push-ups but I'm hoping to achieve a handstand to planche and back.

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psychojoe said..

And that's the big problem. The mandate.

Seat belts are safe and effective. They are also mandated. But very rarely someone gets strangled by the belt in a car rollover.