Canada fixed its housing crisis by a 25% cut .
Australia relies on a few exports iron ore,coal and gas for national wealth .Dilution of this makes everyone poorer.
And who wants a big Australia anyway.Just trying to get to the beach sux now with traffic.

Ok I wanna know why we never needed immigration to fill some jobs decades ago. Smart kids became doctors and stuff. Some of them made coffee or flipped burgers while at uni. Dumb kids dig holes at 14 and never went to uni. We had a full spectrum.
are aussies now too good so we need servants? If we cut immigration greatly and cut welfare would more Aussies go get the service industry jobs? I dunno just musings but it seems weird everything worked well right up to the last 20-30yrs..?

Mark _australia said..
Ok I wanna know why we never needed immigration to fill some jobs decades ago. Smart kids became doctors and stuff. Some of them made coffee or flipped burgers while at uni. Dumb kids dig holes at 14 and never went to uni. We had a full spectrum.
are aussies now too good so we need servants? If we cut immigration greatly and cut welfare would more Aussies go get the service industry jobs? I dunno just musings but it seems weird everything worked well right up to the last 20-30yrs..?

Aussies are like entitled Rango above struggling to get to the beach. No interest in low paid jobs. $100 an hour for trades is standard here. I have a bachelor degree and 35 year's experience and I do not get that. We live in strange times. Never been better on every metric but they still whinge. Life is good folks look on the bright side.

cammd said..

Mark _australia said..
Ok I wanna know why we never needed immigration to fill some jobs decades ago.

Because we kill about 80000 Aussie kids every year through abortion.

This is a bit of a silly argument. If birth control or abortion was only 30% or less effective compared to now, people would change their approach to conception. Those same '80000 Aussie children' still wouldn't exist. They don't exist because those prospective parents don't want kids. How they go about it is up to them. If it weren't abortion it would be something else. If women felt that they would get pregnant 100% of the time, they would change methods or abstain. Women have been controlling their ability to conceive for a long long time.

Even if those 80,000 kids were born, someone else would come along and try and argue 'who will look after those new 80,000 adults each year?'.

hilly said..

Mark _australia said..
Ok I wanna know why we never needed immigration to fill some jobs decades ago. Smart kids became doctors and stuff. Some of them made coffee or flipped burgers while at uni. Dumb kids dig holes at 14 and never went to uni. We had a full spectrum.
are aussies now too good so we need servants? If we cut immigration greatly and cut welfare would more Aussies go get the service industry jobs? I dunno just musings but it seems weird everything worked well right up to the last 20-30yrs..?

Aussies are like entitled Rango above struggling to get to the beach. No interest in low paid jobs. $100 an hour for trades is standard here. I have a bachelor degree and 35 year's experience and I do not get that. We live in strange times. Never been better on every metric but they still whinge. Life is good folks look on the bright side.

Yeh sure, ever noticed how many people live in cars now,take a ride down memorial drive at Pt Peron,cost of living ,housing shortage ,ambulance ramping ,hospital wait times.Wrong ,things are not better by every metric.
The trip to the beach time was used to show how our infrastructure cannot cope with the high immigration failed economic model used as a cover for all time low productivity.
www.macrobusiness.com.au/2026/04/why-endless-population-growth-makes-australians-poorer/

Now Uber drivers.

Meh said..

Pre and post Covid bad policy continues at unsustainable levels.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g6595619yo

Temporary residents also a problem .The far right Canadian government admits mistake.

Meh said..

I reckon this is a bit biased and deliberately misleading.

Particularly when the original thread comment was about 'very long term' and the public discourse seems to be about 'generational' differences and perceived inequalities.

I am not sure going back 5 years is a valid assessment to the issue raised. If you follow the logic of the chart forecast backwards, then it is saying back in 2000 net migration was <20k. And in 1990 it was -180k. Which I don't think is true.

And so googling ABS stats tell me that net migration was <100k before 2000, and rose to 270,000 during the height of the resource boom in the 2000-2010 period. I am not sure saying that 270,000 is therefore a sustainable level based on it being the peak during the biggest boom time of several generations. One could argue the current national economic situation is closer to the mid 1990's slow down than the 2000-2010's boom. In which case the same logic implied by the argument in the chart is that <50k is the historical equivalent.

I'd guess you'd have to take into account relative size of society as well somehow, but I am not sure the people asking questions about the current rate are basing the argument simply on a six month or 1 year peak, but more on a long term overall trend. The chart provided might be better displayed as say data points for 10 year totals aging back the equivalent of several generations.

Temporary visas: Students

The skill list is a farce, you only need a listed skill to get into the country, once in you do not need to work in that profession or even work at all.
It should be mandated that if your entry in to Australia is via a skill you must find employment using that skill for a set period of time.

Carantoc said..

Keaw Yed. said..
The skill list is a farce,

Why not be part of the solution ?

If these forums have taught us anything, then it is exactly what skills are missing in this society :

Grammar and Spelling Auditors (pedant level 99 or above)
Educators (economic and war strategy) for 10 years olds
Domestic Architects (with knowledge of high-rise building failures) (Mornington Peninsular area)
Geoscientists and Earth Scientists (both flat and globe type)
Immigration Statisticians
Antique Windsurf Fin Screw Machinists
Peace Negotiators (middle-east region specialisation)
Real Estate Agents (Port Gregory market expertise)
Mandarin Teachers with a Bitcoin Investment Advice license
Small Engine and Carburetor Repairers (back-yard sub-class)

any others ?

You left out pedant.

Carantoc said..

any others ?

More sales agents for bug-a-salt guns;
Rodriguez impersonators; and
87.2% more statisticians

Carantoc said..
Yes, because we already have plenty of those. The list is skill sets of which there is limited coverage, or current low levels of competancy.

Although, it does seem that some of the best, most capable and most prolific Pedants in Australia work remotely from the U.S. of A. {insert new seabreeze.com.au sarcasm wink emoji}

Given it has taken nearly 30 years perhaps we could add :
Forum emoji modernisers

*Competency*. {insert new seabreeze.com.au sarcasm wink emoji}