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Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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26 Sep 2013 8:40pm
BennyB12 said..
BOAT- BreakOutAnotherThousand....


Hahaha love it

Like Chris said - If it Flies, Floats or Fks ....... rent it by the hour it will be cheaper in the long run.

Cassa
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26 Sep 2013 9:13pm
So you don't have a boat either eh Mark?
Chris6791
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26 Sep 2013 9:18pm
Why buy a boat when you neighbour has one? I can spend my money on kites instead.
Cassa
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26 Sep 2013 9:21pm
Up here boats are like cars , those who haven't got 1






























have 2
Mark _australia
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26 Sep 2013 9:49pm
^^^ down here we get to sail all year so woudl not use it much
dilonrosa
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26 Sep 2013 9:57pm
Cassa said..

Up here boats are like cars , those who haven't go














have a barbie .... go offroading camping and fishing.... next step boating fishing....! and with all plenty of beers.....! thats the what im chasing a boat now evry single comment really useful and got something to think..thanks everybody for supporting me to make my decision ....!

this site is awesome...but now thinking about saturday .....! freo will do the job...!

















have 2


dilonrosa
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26 Sep 2013 11:44pm
BennyB12 said..

If your budget is 30, spend 20 and bank the rest cos your gonna need it....
BOAT- BreakOutAnotherThousand....
Negative I know but true all the same....


yup that's true mate i know it after i bought my 4wd ....i spent few thousand on it but once i go some where, i can say bye for even most recent land cruiser
dilonrosa
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26 Sep 2013 11:56pm
Chris6791 said..

Why buy a boat when you neighbour has one? I can spend my money on kites instead.


mate no neighbor has got boat here ....even no neighbor here bcz im living in damn isolate area....no hospital(80km) no taxi no police station (80km).. iga(80km) i havent got bloody lower mind to do that,if i got neighbor with a boat... i never ask anything from anybody i might get help from him and find one for me....
dilonrosa
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27 Sep 2013 12:08am
Cassa said..

BennyB12 said..

If your budget is 30, spend 20 and bank the rest cos your gonna need it....
BOAT- BreakOutAnotherThousand....
Negative I know but true all the same....


Not always, I actually bought my boat from jbshack , 7 years ago, and apart from rewiring the deck wash , and servicing each year, I haven't spent a penny on repairs.

Previous boat was a 18ft Pacemaker (great sea boat) with a 90 2stroke evinrude on it , same as present boat, NO breakdowns, NO extra costs other than regular servicing. Maybe I'm just lucky
Mates up here with boats (Exmouth) will say the same about theirs as well.
Most good quality outboards , if looked after will not cost any more than your car to run and maintain.
Talk to jbshack he will point you in the right direction.


By the way Benny , Got a boat??


thats so true....depend on if you plane what you plane to do and listen to other people.....if you got luck hit or miss you ll get the goal....!
dilonrosa
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6 Oct 2013 8:54pm
hay guys after all suggestions i gave up inboard type of engine boats and found this pro sport 2050 2003 with 150hp 2 stk oil injected 140hrs how about this one ?
jbshack
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6 Oct 2013 9:03pm
dilonrosa said..

hay guys after all suggestions i gave up inboard type of engine boats and found this pro sport 2050 2003 with 150hp 2 stk oil injected 140hrs how about this one ?


Now just give up on an American Import for offshore work and you're on track
dilonrosa
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6 Oct 2013 10:42pm
jbshack said..

dilonrosa said..

hay guys after all suggestions i gave up inboard type of engine boats and found this pro sport 2050 2003 with 150hp 2 stk oil injected 140hrs how about this one ?


Now just give up on an American Import for offshore work and you're on track


yup jb as everybody said they are nice but i never heard any good about them.....so better gave up inboard , this boat owned by my brothers friend interiors aren't that good but can give clean up engine done 150hp and done 140hrs, All cylinder are 125 psi x 4 and 2 are 120 Psi compression according to last inspection 2 weeks ago, also i can get it around 26k to 28k, any suggestions
echunda
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7 Oct 2013 9:12am
Is the motor original?

140 hours is very very low for a boat that age. The compression check doesn't mean to much if you havn't seen it yourself and if it was on a cold or warm engine.

I've had a 150 2 stroke of similar vintage. Depending on brand, they're a great engine. It'll depend if the previous owner had put a decent and correct prop in it. The only issue I had was it was OH MY GOD THIRSTY!!! I used to shut my eyes when I'd fill the 150 ltr tank and I'm sure there would be an alert at the bank when I paid.

If your looking at off shore cruising, look for a 4 stroke outboard with a matched S/S prop.

Why not look for an older Haines?
Cassa
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7 Oct 2013 8:54am
^^^ all the above is so true!!!
We do plenty of trips to the Murion Islands, the one time we went with a mate with a 150 2 stroke I asked how much fuel he used, he wouldn't say more than,,, Too much!!
I saw him pour 40 ltrs in while over there and he had an 80 ltr built in tank
I came back with just under half a tank (120 ltr built in tank)
That equates to an expensive day on the water,, for him.
4 stroke, 4 stroke , 4 stroke, what more can we say
Sailhack
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7 Oct 2013 12:46pm
Whilst I agree with the fact that 4's are better on fuel, there are some 2s that are pretty good also & it depends what sort of fishing you're doing whether it's suited to a 4 or 2. My 115hp Johnson is about 13 years old, pushes a 20ft alum hull boat and with about 350hrs on it will start first time, every time and is very economical to run - service-wise & fuel-wise.
jbshack
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7 Oct 2013 11:00am
You get what you pay for. I agree two strokes are expensive to run but then again sometimes it fits a budget. If you not boating as often it then isn't that bad.

American off shore boats though are simply not up to strength. That would be more my issue. If your wanting to use it in any other than a flat sea you'll pay the price soon enough. Thats why its so cheap

Haines are a great hull IMHO but really any good Aussie built boat would be better
dusta
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7 Oct 2013 11:11am
jbshack said..


American off shore boats though are simply not up to strength. That would be more my issue. If your wanting to use it in any other than a flat sea you'll pay the price soon enough. Thats why its so cheap

Haines are a great hull IMHO but really any good Aussie built boat would be better


i dunnow . My boston whaler conquest 305 is perfectly fine on the trenches out the back of rotto
jbshack
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7 Oct 2013 11:53am
dusta said..


jbshack said..


American off shore boats though are simply not up to strength. That would be more my issue. If your wanting to use it in any other than a flat sea you'll pay the price soon enough. Thats why its so cheap

Haines are a great hull IMHO but really any good Aussie built boat would be better



i dunnow . My boston whaler conquest 305 is perfectly fine on the trenches out the back of rotto


Then maybe sell it too Dilonrosa for $28000 because thats the market WE are talking about
WA71
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7 Oct 2013 12:01pm
jbshack said..

dusta said..


jbshack said..


American off shore boats though are simply not up to strength. That would be more my issue. If your wanting to use it in any other than a flat sea you'll pay the price soon enough. Thats why its so cheap

Haines are a great hull IMHO but really any good Aussie built boat would be better



i dunnow . My boston whaler conquest 305 is perfectly fine on the trenches out the back of rotto


Then maybe sell it too Dilonrosa for $28000 because thats the market WE are talking about


JB knows boats
pueter66
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7 Oct 2013 2:19pm
Mate good luck on this subject, I have had quite a few boats and the current one is the best, a no fuss 6.1 meter plate boat with a good reliable four stroke on the back, It is rather simple in its layout and that makes it easy on its maintenance, the other thing i recommend if you are as isolated as you say take a good look at the type of trailer you put underneath it especially on some of the rough back country roads as this can also damage your boat, I use central rollers and support skids on my trailer to better support the boat on rough journeys, My boat is a Makocraft and you can get a decent second hand rig within your budget, But there are a lot of similar makes as good as this around, keep it simple



dusta
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7 Oct 2013 12:32pm
jbshack said..

dusta said..


jbshack said..


American off shore boats though are simply not up to strength. That would be more my issue. If your wanting to use it in any other than a flat sea you'll pay the price soon enough. Thats why its so cheap

Haines are a great hull IMHO but really any good Aussie built boat would be better



i dunnow . My boston whaler conquest 305 is perfectly fine on the trenches out the back of rotto


Then maybe sell it too Dilonrosa for $28000 because thats the market WE are talking about


i understand what you are saying but you simply said american off shore boats , not american offshore boats for $30K
Sailhack
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7 Oct 2013 5:38pm
pueter66 said..

Mate good luck on this subject, I have had quite a few boats and the current one is the best, a no fuss 6.1 meter plate boat with a good reliable four stroke on the back, It is rather simple in its layout and that makes it easy on its maintenance, the other thing i recommend if you are as isolated as you say take a good look at the type of trailer you put underneath it especially on some of the rough back country roads as this can also damage your boat, I use central rollers and support skids on my trailer to better support the boat on rough journeys, My boat is a Makocraft and you can get a decent second hand rig within your budget, But there are a lot of similar makes as good as this around, keep it simple





Nice rig pueter! Mine's a Savage (6.0) and although they get crappy reviews, I ripped the carpeted floor up, laid alum checkerplate on sika bonding/rivets (with a sub-floor catch tank plumbed). Now it's rock-solid and rides through rough stuff without the clanging that some 'tinnies' have. The flat-plate alums (Makocraft, Surtees, Barcrusher etc.) are the go IMO and as you put it - keep the layout simple!
myusernam
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7 Oct 2013 5:21pm
jbshack said..


dusta said..



jbshack said..


American off shore boats though are simply not up to strength. That would be more my issue. If your wanting to use it in any other than a flat sea you'll pay the price soon enough. Thats why its so cheap

Haines are a great hull IMHO but really any good Aussie built boat would be better




i dunnow . My boston whaler conquest 305 is perfectly fine on the trenches out the back of rotto



Then maybe sell it too Dilonrosa for $28000 because thats the market WE are talking about


whilst I agree all the american imports the origonal poster has put up are shxt boats and not that good a value, I dont know that they are all shxt. And if he looks at an older australian hull (or new even for that matter) it will probably have poorly coated ply stringers and a timber transom on a galvanised trailer. Why haines/ signiture and 90% of australian brands think they can command top dollar doing this beyond me, other than problems dont usually present to the first owner.
pueter66
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7 Oct 2013 5:25pm
Sailhack said..

pueter66 said..

Mate good luck on this subject, I have had quite a few boats and the current one is the best, a no fuss 6.1 meter plate boat with a good reliable four stroke on the back, It is rather simple in its layout and that makes it easy on its maintenance, the other thing i recommend if you are as isolated as you say take a good look at the type of trailer you put underneath it especially on some of the rough back country roads as this can also damage your boat, I use central rollers and support skids on my trailer to better support the boat on rough journeys, My boat is a Makocraft and you can get a decent second hand rig within your budget, But there are a lot of similar makes as good as this around, keep it simple





Nice rig pueter! Mine's a Savage (6.0) and although they get crappy reviews, I ripped the carpeted floor up, laid alum checkerplate on sika bonding/rivets (with a sub-floor catch tank plumbed). Now it's rock-solid and rides through rough stuff without the clanging that some 'tinnies' have. The flat-plate alums (Makocraft, Surtees, Barcrusher etc.) are the go IMO and as you put it - keep the layout simple!


THANKS sailhack yours sound like a good piece of gear as well, I have the soft riding hull and I put some trim tabs on the back which are awesome, I wish I had aluminum floors in mine as i just replaced a bit of the marine ply floor last week down near the back, next time around I will do what you did, cheers pete
jbshack
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7 Oct 2013 6:49pm
myusernam said..


jbshack said..



dusta said..




jbshack said..


American off shore boats though are simply not up to strength. That would be more my issue. If your wanting to use it in any other than a flat sea you'll pay the price soon enough. Thats why its so cheap

Haines are a great hull IMHO but really any good Aussie built boat would be better





i dunnow . My boston whaler conquest 305 is perfectly fine on the trenches out the back of rotto




Then maybe sell it too Dilonrosa for $28000 because thats the market WE are talking about



whilst I agree all the american imports the origonal poster has put up are shxt boats and not that good a value, I dont know that they are all shxt. And if he looks at an older australian hull (or new even for that matter) it will probably have poorly coated ply stringers and a timber transom on a galvanised trailer. Why haines/ signiture and 90% of australian brands think they can command top dollar doing this beyond me, other than problems dont usually present to the first owner.


The biggest issue with out getting too in depth is in the states most boats are only built to be used how they use them. On days that only ave small one foot chop. You do get quality offshore rigs i agree but they are still very expensive and often don't make our shores. The boat that was put up as a "Contrary to my post" was to be far at best a $150 000 unit. Not your average trailer boat.

Insurance companies are seeing a huge failure in US imports. Mostly due to stringer and sub floors falling apart for no real reason SO much so they have changed slightly their policy wording
echunda
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7 Oct 2013 10:05pm
Sailhack said..

Whilst I agree with the fact that 4's are better on fuel, there are some 2s that are pretty good also & it depends what sort of fishing you're doing whether it's suited to a 4 or 2. My 115hp Johnson is about 13 years old, pushes a 20ft alum hull boat and with about 350hrs on it will start first time, every time and is very economical to run - service-wise & fuel-wise.


Sailhack said..

Whilst I agree with the fact that 4's are better on fuel, there are some 2s that are pretty good also & it depends what sort of fishing you're doing whether it's suited to a 4 or 2. My 115hp Johnson is about 13 years old, pushes a 20ft alum hull boat and with about 350hrs on it will start first time, every time and is very economical to run - service-wise & fuel-wise.


I'm not sure what the displacement difference between the two motors are, but I can 100% assure you that the Johnson 150 could almost drink the pub dry.
echunda
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7 Oct 2013 10:09pm
jbshack said..

myusernam said..


jbshack said..



dusta said..




jbshack said..


American off shore boats though are simply not up to strength. That would be more my issue. If your wanting to use it in any other than a flat sea you'll pay the price soon enough. Thats why its so cheap

Haines are a great hull IMHO but really any good Aussie built boat would be better





i dunnow . My boston whaler conquest 305 is perfectly fine on the trenches out the back of rotto




Then maybe sell it too Dilonrosa for $28000 because thats the market WE are talking about



whilst I agree all the american imports the origonal poster has put up are shxt boats and not that good a value, I dont know that they are all shxt. And if he looks at an older australian hull (or new even for that matter) it will probably have poorly coated ply stringers and a timber transom on a galvanised trailer. Why haines/ signiture and 90% of australian brands think they can command top dollar doing this beyond me, other than problems dont usually present to the first owner.


The biggest issue with out getting too in depth is in the states most boats are only built to be used how they use them. On days that only ave small one foot chop. You do get quality offshore rigs i agree but they are still very expensive and often don't make our shores. The boat that was put up as a "Contrary to my post" was to be far at best a $150 000 unit. Not your average trailer boat.

Insurance companies are seeing a huge failure in US imports. Mostly due to stringer and sub floors falling apart for no real reason SO much so they have changed slightly their policy wording


The insurance have changed their policies?

Any proof?
jbshack
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7 Oct 2013 8:38pm
echunda said..



jbshack said..



myusernam said..




jbshack said..





dusta said..






jbshack said..


American off shore boats though are simply not up to strength. That would be more my issue. If your wanting to use it in any other than a flat sea you'll pay the price soon enough. Thats why its so cheap

Haines are a great hull IMHO but really any good Aussie built boat would be better







i dunnow . My boston whaler conquest 305 is perfectly fine on the trenches out the back of rotto






Then maybe sell it too Dilonrosa for $28000 because thats the market WE are talking about





whilst I agree all the american imports the origonal poster has put up are shxt boats and not that good a value, I dont know that they are all shxt. And if he looks at an older australian hull (or new even for that matter) it will probably have poorly coated ply stringers and a timber transom on a galvanised trailer. Why haines/ signiture and 90% of australian brands think they can command top dollar doing this beyond me, other than problems dont usually present to the first owner.




The biggest issue with out getting too in depth is in the states most boats are only built to be used how they use them. On days that only ave small one foot chop. You do get quality offshore rigs i agree but they are still very expensive and often don't make our shores. The boat that was put up as a "Contrary to my post" was to be far at best a $150 000 unit. Not your average trailer boat.

Insurance companies are seeing a huge failure in US imports. Mostly due to stringer and sub floors falling apart for no real reason SO much so they have changed slightly their policy wording




The insurance have changed their policies?

Any proof?



Perviously if you had damaged your hull driving whilst at sea. IE if when you pulled your boat out of the water you had substantial areas of glass hanging off, they made the assumption that you must of hit something. NOW you must prove impact. For instance if you hit a half submerged item they may be paint on the boat, or i spoke to a guy today who hit a bottle and glass was still stuck in the hull. Most of the Yanki boats getting claims against them will normally find the ribs have simply let go internally. So often they start to repare them only to find the job/cost then blows out once they open up the floor. To be fair the same type of damage we are seeing on old Aussie boats like Baron sportsman's, pacemaker's those kind of 25 year plus boats.

Believe me or not, its not really a big deal. BUT thats just my side to the story and im happy to share it. I speak to hundreds of folk with imports. Im not just talking a boat i once owned, or one of my mates who had one and had no issues. I think 20 plus years gives me some creed
dusta
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7 Oct 2013 10:52pm
jbshack said..

The biggest issue with out getting too in depth is in the states most boats are only built to be used how they use them. On days that only ave small one foot chop. You do get quality offshore rigs i agree but they are still very expensive and often don't make our shores. The boat that was put up as a "Contrary to my post" was to be far at best a $150 000 unit. Not your average trailer boat.


the only issue we have had is the **** verado's . Sooner we get rid of them the better .
jbshack
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8 Oct 2013 11:33am
dusta said..


jbshack said..

The biggest issue with out getting too in depth is in the states most boats are only built to be used how they use them. On days that only ave small one foot chop. You do get quality offshore rigs i agree but they are still very expensive and often don't make our shores. The boat that was put up as a "Contrary to my post" was to be far at best a $150 000 unit. Not your average trailer boat.



the only issue we have had is the **** verado's . Sooner we get rid of them the better .


Bloody loud alarms/buzzers though
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