doggie said...

cisco said...

I have a beautiful 84 XE Fairmont that would be just the ticket for her.

Style, performance, reliability and economy.

It is worth $20k+ but as you are a member of the Seabreeze community, I'll cop $10k for it as long as you don't tell anyone how cheap I have sold it.

Ha!! Cisco it's worth $250

$350^ with Ariel.

if you do buy second hand make sure the timing belt has been changed.

if you have to remove the front passenger tyre to get to the water pump or cant locate the water pump when you pop the bonnet dont buy it !!!

busterwa said...

if you do buy second hand make sure the timing belt has been changed.

if you have to remove the front passenger tyre to get to the water pump or cant locate the water pump when you pop the bonnet dont buy it !!!

I think 4cylinder car is usually 100,000km intervals, and 6cylinders are 150,000km interval for timing belt changing (could be wrong, but in my cars all the 4cylinder ones have been 100k and all the 6cylinder ones have been 150k)

doggie said...

cisco said...

I have a beautiful 84 XE Fairmont that would be just the ticket for her.

Style, performance, reliability and economy.

It is worth $20k+ but as you are a member of the Seabreeze community, I'll cop $10k for it as long as you don't tell anyone how cheap I have sold it.

Ha!! Cisco it's worth $250

More than a few would disagree with you on that doggie. This search is Australia wide.

www.carsales.com.au/?utm_source=carpoint/all-cars/results.aspx?tabID=2208746&YearFromShort=1632&YearToShort=1663&keywords=&EngineCCFrom=607&EngineCCTo=617&N=1216%201247%201252%201282%204294966280%204294966463%201561%20713%201632%201663%20245%20607%20617&Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal%7C0%7C%7CpCar_RankSort_Int32%7C1%7C%7CpCar_Make_String%7C0%7C%7CpCar_Model_String%7C0

My test drive is.. prominently hoon/ freeway driving long roads country tailgate grannies land cruisers no road trains up my arse... etc style..

So go down your local street clock it up at 120kph and see how many cats you can run before the taco gets to 3500rpm in fifth gear. If she is from the country the corolla wont dig the long open road and you behind stuck behind road trains.\
Depends on the driving etc.
I cant recommend the car as im not sure on the status or objectives in driving she will require out of a car.
One thing i can recommend if you spend that money you would be looking for turn key reliability.And ultimately you dont want to be towing her home or her ringing you up because her car has broken down. (somthing with a new car warranty left on it)

oliver said...

Thanks breezers.

This discussion has woken me up to the reality of this. I would love to be able to put this whole car thing off and make her pay for it etc. But I can't see it happening.

If she's 18 and can't afford her own car, then she shouldn't have one - simple! If you do 'buy' her one, as mentioned, make it a loan that she has to pay back, she'll respect it more.

I know she will prang it,

If that's the case, you'd be better putting your hard earned dollars into a funeral fund for her - sorry to be blunt, but I wouldn't let my kids drive without being 100% confident of their abilities, if you're thinking that now then you're in for a lot of sleepless nights. Unfortunately if she's not driving, one of her mates probably is.

ABS brakes are great, and think the side airbags are also a good thing - hope they never have to be used. The phone thing with her is a real worry - instead of installing a hands free kit, I think I'll just make it clear to her that a condition on the car is that her phone is not to be used under any circumstances while she's in it.

ABS brakes and traction control are important, but first preference should be airbags! I've seen carnage first-hand in an accident between a car with air bags & one without...if she does have a 'bad' accident (and I hope not) air bags will save your daughter's life.

Also, you probably won't stop her from using her mobile phone whilst driving, but you have to try. Educate her on the dangers, or get your local police to speak to her. If you're buying the car, even threaten to take it off her if she gets caught or even seen using her phone whilst driving. Statistics showing accidents & deaths due to mobile phone use whilst driving are rising at an alarming rate & is close to being the number 1 killer on our roads.

Sorry for being so heavy, but as a SES member I've witnessed some things that have woken me up to how important road safety is. I'm not looking forward to the day I send my kids out on the roads, mainly due to the 'other idiot' factor, but if I do my job as best I can as a parent, I'll be able to sleep at night knowing that I've done my best in educating them & confident that they will be responsible & safe drivers in cars with excellent safety features.

[edit] some light reading-
http://understandingteenagers.com.au/blog/2010/10/teenagers-cars-a-deadly-combination/

Its all well and good to recommend someone to buy a bicycle but in Sydney at least cylists place their life in the hands of others when they ride their bike on the road. I think in general most Australian car drivers don't like sharing the road with cyclists. They see them as getting in the way and resent cyclists who don't obey road rules.

I would not recommend anyone to do that when the we have the amount of traffic that we do with narrow lanes and quite aggressive drivers.

Its a pity Syndey doesn't have decent cycle paths off the road. It would be great having cycle paths along side railway lines outside of the CBD.


In relation to cars the general choice would be for a larger Australian car or a smaller foreign car, probably a Japanese one. Both have their pros and cons. Possibly if safety is an overiding issue then the larger Australian car would be the go.

MIKO said...




Might cost a bit more than 10 k

Hmm, a shaggin wagon for his 18yo daughter. I don't think he'll go for it.

and anyone thinking a bigger car will save them from an accident with a truck is in a state of false security. Nothing this side of a tourag/cayenne/q7/xc70 will save you and even they will probably roll over. A new Getz or Yaris would be safer than many cars of just 5 or 10 years ago. To discount a new small car over something 15 years old is just stupid.

As I said in my last post, i've been in minor acci's in yaris & getz including 1 where driver ran a red light at about 70km/h. That is first hand experience not old hat conjecture, I wish I had kept pics of some of the fleet cars I used to look after- only ones we ever had injuries in were the small 4wd things and commodores. I've had cars completely destroyed, others with engines ripped out, another fell asleep at wheel at 100kmh and drove into pole. Being in a minor accident really feels "soft", much more preferable to any other accident i've been in with older cars.

Consider also that maybe some of that vulnerable feeling makes you drive a little more sensibly.

How safe she feels will affect how she drives. The number of tiny women driving round in X5's like their ****ing invincible with a coffee/phone on the go illustrates this. Out of their cars they'd be meek and deferential - put them in a tank and quite frankly they deserve a punch.

If she's going to cause the accident then putting her in an X5 is just ****ing over someone else.... someone who has thought a little bit less selfishly...

If you put her in a getz and explain that if she crashes it then it's probable that she'll get hurt, and that it won't matter whose fault it was, you can't get leg movement back on insurance. Tell her that she should concentrate and watch out for all the ****wits out there....

And people wonder why Australia's population is suffering from higher levels of Type 2 Diabetes and other obesity related illnesses.

Buy her a cheaper car and a bicycle. Tell her you want whats best for her and that using a bicycle for commmuting to work/study/centrelink is good for her and good for the environment. Tell her she will be keeping in shape and she will be more likely to meet a Stockbroker/Lawyer/Accountant whilst cruising around on her bike than sitting in her car. The sooner she meets and elopes with one of the above, the sooner she will be out of the house.

No mobile phone issues on a bike either.

The added bonus of buying her the bicycle is that it sounds like you will probably be paying for her petrol and vehicle maintenance, so the more she rides her bike, the less you you have to outlay to keep her car running.


And for the love of god, no Southern Cross, UNIT, Princess and so on and so forth stickers to be placed on the car as other drivers will treat her as though she is a simpleton, regardless of the badge value of whatever she is steering around in.

EDIT: Why don't you set an example for your kids and buy a bike too. For $40k you could get a bike for yourself, the wife and still buy a decent car.

Elroy Jetson said...


For how many years will this continue?

My knob head sister is 37, living in my parents 2nd house, and on her 4th consecutive car that family has paid for (she has also had 2 very serious and extremely expensive car accidents).

She has cost them 100 000's of dollars so far and it looks like her willingness to remain financially dependent will continue for many years (read decades) into the future.


I made a big decision early on, knocked back some offers of financial help, offended my parents, and decided the best way to become independent would be to pay for my own material possessions.

For many years life was a day to day challenge.

Your sister sounds quite messed up. Know of any reason/s why she should be so dependent upon your parents?

That seems like a very wise observation Elroy Jetson. I've never really looked at the relationship between a parent and an adult child that way, and what you have said makes a lot of sense now I think about it. It is a pretty common situation in our society isn't it.

oliver said...


Cause if they do I hope he does the ton in it down Gipsland hwy, becomes airborne, and rips right through Sailhacks house and dislodges his cotton wool clad kids from their cocoons that he's spinning for them.

I guess I deserved that one. Yeah, I do protect my kids a bit, although at their age, that's the norm. I'm not too worried about your son getting to my house either...even some of my own family get lost trying to find this town!

As for my previous comments, sorry to get heavy, but I attended a head-on saturday morning involving an 18yo girl...outcome not good. It does mess with you a bit, especially when you see the parent turn up.

My point was just make sure you give your kids all the education & tools they need to survive, I couldn't imagine being in that situation, and no-one could prepare you for that.

Toyota Rav.
Try a 2 door model. Sits higher than the getz and corrolas etc.
Better vision and easier seen by other drivers especially trucks and 4WDS.
My thoughts anyway.
W