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DNSDC
DNSDC
NSW
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NSW, 26 posts
16 Oct 2013 1:49pm
sn said..

years ago it was much easier- the carcase would have been towed out and "dispersed" with help from a decent load of Dr Nobels finest rapidly expanding bait suppliment.

stephen



Whales and dynamite don't go too well together! Love the ending but.


rod_bunny
rod_bunny
WA
1089 posts
WA, 1089 posts
16 Oct 2013 11:11am
How is a dead anything still protected (CITES excepted) when it presents a clear & present danger to the public at large?


I wonder how long a whale carcass would last when it "washes up" on the lawn at parliament house?
Woodo
Woodo
WA
792 posts
WA, 792 posts
16 Oct 2013 11:24am
jbshack said..

Their is big issue with Oceanrch research that is showing long term effect on large sharks being lifted out of the water, mostly death, but maybe that would be welcomed by many

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Where did you hear that?
pweedas
pweedas
WA
4642 posts
WA, 4642 posts
16 Oct 2013 11:29am
jbshack said..
Sorry i think you missed my point. I don't want any sharks harmed..FULLSTOP. Its their ocean and we play in it at our risk. Sharks are needed and i don't think people understand how important they to our survival..I cant be clearer than that

I haven't changed my tune. ..


Oh well,.. at least you're consistent then.

What you will then have to accept, is that all the government can do is throw money at various authorities on the pretext of using it for the 'management' of the shark problem.
It wont make any difference of course, but at least when people keep getting eaten, they can point to all the millions they have spent and claim they are doing all they can to solve the problem.
In reality, the money handed out is just bringing forward the millions requested by these authorities previously but were rejected due to insufficient justification.
The shark problem was then put forwards as the previously missing justification.

And why not?
Everyone wants a nice new boat and a cushy job.
Stand by for the next round of new boats and bigger budgets next time the attacks start again.
(That is, assuming that someone hasn't already stepped in and taken out a few GW's without announcing it to the world.)

pweedas
pweedas
WA
4642 posts
WA, 4642 posts
16 Oct 2013 11:47am
jbshack said..
The problem with killing and wiping out GW sharks could be a catastrophic to our eco system. Research areas that done just this. They now are left with nothing, no fish, just killer Squid


I don't think there would be many peole wanting them all to be wiped out.
I would certainly not support that.
It wouldn't bother me to remove half a dozen over a year or two, which frequent local coastal waters and show an inclination to eat people.

This is a long way short of wiping them out.

WA71
WA71
WA
1382 posts
WA, 1382 posts
16 Oct 2013 11:49am
pweedas said..

jbshack said..
Sorry i think you missed my point. I don't want any sharks harmed..FULLSTOP. Its their ocean and we play in it at our risk. Sharks are needed and i don't think people understand how important they to our survival..I cant be clearer than that

I haven't changed my tune. ..


Oh well,.. at least you're consistent then.

What you will then have to accept, is that all the government can do is throw money at various authorities on the pretext of using it for the 'management' of the shark problem.
It wont make any difference of course, but at least when people keep getting eaten, they can point to all the millions they have spent and claim they are doing all they can to solve the problem.
In reality, the money handed out is just bringing forward the millions requested by these authorities previously but were rejected due to insufficient justification.
The shark problem was then put forwards as the previously missing justification.

And why not?
Everyone wants a nice new boat and a cushy job.
Stand by for the next round of new boats and bigger budgets next time the attacks start again.
(That is, assuming that someone hasn't already stepped in and taken out a few GW's without announcing it to the world.)



Ive been told this has already happened.
pweedas
pweedas
WA
4642 posts
WA, 4642 posts
16 Oct 2013 12:23pm
I wouldn't be at all surprised.
The attacks stopped very suddenly and not a single one since.
I'm happy with that.
WA71
WA71
WA
1382 posts
WA, 1382 posts
16 Oct 2013 2:18pm
pweedas said..

I wouldn't be at all surprised.
The attacks stopped very suddenly and not a single one since.
I'm happy with that.


From what I was told they were killed then sunk with weight.
WA71
WA71
WA
1382 posts
WA, 1382 posts
16 Oct 2013 3:04pm
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sn
sn
WA
2775 posts
sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
16 Oct 2013 3:10pm
Whats with these carcases turning up all of a sudden?

Has there been any of that "super sonar" used in the area by the US Navy?

Does anyone do any testing on these carcases to try and determine cause of death?



come on fellas- must be a conspiracy here we can drag out for our Heavy Weather section

stephen
sn
sn
WA
2775 posts
sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
16 Oct 2013 3:18pm
DNSDC said..


sn said..

years ago it was much easier- the carcase would have been towed out and "dispersed" with help from a decent load of Dr Nobels finest rapidly expanding bait suppliment.

stephen




Whales and dynamite don't go too well together! Love the ending but.




Half a ton of dynamite to disperse an 8 ton whale is going a bit overboard! [but impressive]

All it would take is half a dozen 400 gram boosters to spread the love- but not while on land, should be done miles out!

You could even let the Navy or Air force use the carcase for target practice [with time expired ammo] to save a few bob.

Another option- let washed up carcases be rendered down for blood and bone fertilizer.

stephen
Poida
Poida
WA
1922 posts
WA, 1922 posts
16 Oct 2013 6:03pm
some food chain management

our japanese friends could help with the seals and the whales. I understand from a few people that the New Zealand seal population along the south west coast of WA has boomed in the last decade. The whale population has increased also. the fishos in Augusta could take out some of the great whites. back to the 1970 numbers, whatever that was.

its all about a sustainable number of each species

the tagging and studies are needed to determine numbers of the sharks, seals, whales and the associate food chain etc to show the effects of management, fishing, currents, temperature, acidity, pollution etc.
Poida
Poida
WA
1922 posts
WA, 1922 posts
16 Oct 2013 6:39pm
sn said..

Whats with these carcases turning up all of a sudden?

Has there been any of that "super sonar" used in the area by the US Navy?

Does anyone do any testing on these carcases to try and determine cause of death?



come on fellas- must be a conspiracy here we can drag out for our Heavy Weather section

stephen





I think the US communication facility at Geraldton has affected the juvenile whales
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
16 Oct 2013 8:26pm
just a thought, why not a mobile proccessing plant that can be sent to the whale on the beach ,chop it up ,render it down, tons of oil and fertilizer gets sold to offset the costs of running the shark tagging program.
could even get some private contractors to do it on profit only basis. id be up for it
jbshack
jbshack
WA
6913 posts
WA, 6913 posts
16 Oct 2013 9:52pm
pweedas said..


jbshack said..
The problem with killing and wiping out GW sharks could be a catastrophic to our eco system. Research areas that done just this. They now are left with nothing, no fish, just killer Squid



I don't think there would be many peole wanting them all to be wiped out.
I would certainly not support that.
It wouldn't bother me to remove half a dozen over a year or two, which frequent local coastal waters and show an inclination to eat people.

This is a long way short of wiping them out.



I guess the argument with that is that Many marine scientists are saying its already at a point of too late. The question is numbers and if you believe that then any deaths are too many. I guess thats the end for me as its not what I'm looking to argue anymore. Not online anyway, but i will post if i ever get a response..


busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
16 Oct 2013 10:00pm
look on the bright side Dive gear has never been cheaper.!
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
16 Oct 2013 10:03pm
^^^^^^^^
Many marine scientists are saying its already at a point of too late



Based on what data? I suspect as per usual, they are pulling data out of thin air, with no real hard facts, and is more BHAG (big hairy arsed guess) .
Same scenario when people put up the ???Oh but we are in their domain??? as a logic not to take out a particular shark that has become or is becoming a problem.
Kozzie
Kozzie
QLD
1451 posts
QLD, 1451 posts
17 Oct 2013 1:42am
sn said..

Whats with these carcases turning up all of a sudden?

Has there been any of that "super sonar" used in the area by the US Navy?

Does anyone do any testing on these carcases to try and determine cause of death?



come on fellas- must be a conspiracy here we can drag out for our Heavy Weather section

stephen


you want a conspiracy theory? watch "black fish"
Woodo
Woodo
WA
792 posts
WA, 792 posts
17 Oct 2013 8:55am
landyacht said..

just a thought, why not a mobile proccessing plant that can be sent to the whale on the beach ,chop it up ,render it down, tons of oil and fertilizer gets sold to offset the costs of running the shark tagging program.
could even get some private contractors to do it on profit only basis. id be up for it


Probably not the best idea to be chopping up a whale on the beach and have all the oil, blubber etc leach into the sand and back into the ocean.
That sh!t hangs around and will be attracting sharks for weeks if not months after...
Underoath
Underoath
QLD
2434 posts
QLD, 2434 posts
17 Oct 2013 11:02am
So two whales have washed up within 5kms of each other. As an avid Kiter who likes to enjoy Pinneroo and Mullaz. How long would you give the place a miss for?

I have been hitting Quins- but it's just not the same.
Razzonater
Razzonater
2224 posts
2224 posts
17 Oct 2013 9:06am
September to November is whale season/shark season I wouldnt go in near mullaz pinaroo till late late late november (probably december cause im a pussy)
Woodo
Woodo
WA
792 posts
WA, 792 posts
17 Oct 2013 9:36am
Personally i'd be giving it at least a couple of weeks or if a bit of a front comes through with onshores and swell to flush it all out should be right.
pweedas
pweedas
WA
4642 posts
WA, 4642 posts
17 Oct 2013 1:54pm
jbshack said..
I guess the argument with that is that Many marine scientists are saying its already at a point of too late. The question is numbers and if you believe that then any deaths are too many. I guess thats the end for me as its not what I'm looking to argue anymore. Not online anyway, but i will post if i ever get a response..


You wont get a response because the purpose of spending all that money will then be ruined.
The idea of splashing out all that money for no real result is to make people think lots is being achieved to solve the problem.
If they then contract out a few fishies to remove a few sharks but don't tell anyone, then everybody's happy. ( a great idea I might add.
The fishies ar happy because they got paid $50 and had a great time.
The police and fisheries dept are happy because they got five milion dollars, some new boats, and more staff.
The surfers are happy because they are not being eaten.
The marine activista are happy because the government bought some new boats, tagged 14 sharks, and that fixed the shark problem, just like they said it would.

Why do you want to ruin it all by asking difficult questions?

And anyway, if the numbers of GW's are really low that can be easily fixed by getting channel 9 news to do the next numbers count.
Anything that's a bit sharky looking with big teeth will be a great white.
On that basis, my guess is we still have thousands.

So everything's sweet,. right?
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
17 Oct 2013 9:38pm
Woodo said..

landyacht said..

just a thought, why not a mobile proccessing plant that can be sent to the whale on the beach ,chop it up ,render it down, tons of oil and fertilizer gets sold to offset the costs of running the shark tagging program.
could even get some private contractors to do it on profit only basis. id be up for it


Probably not the best idea to be chopping up a whale on the beach and have all the oil, blubber etc leach into the sand and back into the ocean.
That sh!t hangs around and will be attracting sharks for weeks if not months after...


So they bury it insteador take for eva to decide what to do , . so drag the chunks up to the trypots further up from the beach.
we humans got so good at this before we nearly wiped them out
busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
17 Oct 2013 9:43pm
The great whites have always been there The only thing that has changed now is there
"highlighted public awareness"

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......... And diminishing food stocks
Its allways been a problem and its just a risk one takes when entering the water.

The risks are pretty minimal for windsurfers and kite-surfers.Unless your up for a big swim with gear failure !


pweedas
pweedas
WA
4642 posts
WA, 4642 posts
18 Oct 2013 12:15pm
busterwa said..
The risks are pretty minimal for windsurfers and kite-surfers.Unless your up for a big swim with gear failure !


Rubbish!

I've seen that documentary "Jaws", and it's a known fact that they can pluck a helicopter out of the air.
They would have no trouble at all plucking a kiter out of the sky, even at the top of one of those high twisty dangley things.
And they climb up the back of boats just so they can eat the driver.
Nobody is safe.
Surfer62
Surfer62
1357 posts
1357 posts
18 Oct 2013 4:51pm
You think WA has a shark population ?

We're lucky we have plenty of seals

Phillip Island 1987

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