Vege garden advice needed - organic pest control

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GPA
GPA
WA
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GPA GPA
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18 Aug 2011 9:53pm
Hi Guys,

I know there's a few SeaBreezers that have backyard vege patches out there - as I've seen a few [great] photos on this site showing off some good home grown produce.

Mrs GPA has a nice little 20m2 plot out the back, plus a heap of pots... she has various lettuces, chili's, strawberries, beans, broccoli, cauliflower etc etc mostly doing quite well...

Anyhow, of late something has been eating at most of the plants - so I was looking for advice on some kind of organic pest control - you know, something like (I'm guessing) garlic & chili spray; and when and how to apply for best results etc...

Any advice gratefully received. Thanks.
kk
kk
WA
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kk kk
WA, 953 posts
18 Aug 2011 10:03pm
Well I like my veggie patch and those two (garlic and Chilli) would scare off some pests? I guess and you wouldn't need to season your food as much when cooking.

But you really need to identify the pest so that you can get some real answers.

For example I've read that snails (the main culprate) hate coffee grounds.

My biggest problems are white cabbage moths eating broccies and birds eating tomatoes
GPA
GPA
WA
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GPA GPA
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18 Aug 2011 10:09pm
Thanks KK

We haven't had a problem until just recently... but cannot find any bugs... Mrs even did the 'spot light' torch check after dark just before I posted.

We've actually had something eat the whole head off all the cauli's - and also something eat all the leaves off the strawberries...

We know what cabbage moths are/do - but this is not that...


Thanks for the prompt reply - Cheers



DUDE
DUDE
NSW
1132 posts
NSW, 1132 posts
19 Aug 2011 12:48am
put some beer out in a few small bowls over night;;if its snails/slugs they will head straight for it..
also consider companion planting;;some plants work well repealing insects from other plants,,also help them grow better..

encourage more magpies to the yard,the maggies hate,the indian minors/ bucther birds ;;
have about 15/20 maggies here everyday in the yard and the other birds are rarely here now
GPA
GPA
WA
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GPA GPA
WA, 2529 posts
18 Aug 2011 10:53pm
^^^^
Thanks - we actually have a brood? of Maggies here - wife has been hand feeding them for a while - so long that they actually bring their young over...
Ados
Ados
WA
421 posts
WA, 421 posts
18 Aug 2011 11:15pm
GPA said...

Hi Guys,

I know there's a few SeaBreezers that have backyard vege patches out there - as I've seen a few [great] photos on this site showing off some good home grown produce.

Mrs GPA has a nice little 20m2 plot out the back, plus a heap of pots... she has various lettuces, chili's, strawberries, beans, broccoli, cauliflower etc etc mostly doing quite well...

Anyhow, of late something has been eating at most of the plants - so I was looking for advice on some kind of organic pest control - you know, something like (I'm guessing) garlic & chili spray; and when and how to apply for best results etc...

Any advice gratefully received. Thanks.


ive used the pyrethrum spray you can buy at bunnings. made in wa. said to be non-chemical pesticide. worked for me.

GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
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WA, 2371 posts
19 Aug 2011 1:35am
My routing is, 5pm, a stubby and a kind eye...
I usually send an hour looking and squishing bugs while the sun goes down
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
19 Aug 2011 12:13pm
We use broken up egg shells and they seem to work well - make sure you break them up extra small though - its like walking on glass for them. Garlic spray works in combination as well - although make sure you wash this off thoroughly before eating......especially on yr lettuce varieties it can really ruin a good salad!!!

Jack Mack
Jack Mack
NSW
343 posts
NSW, 343 posts
19 Aug 2011 12:44pm
Get a product called Eco-oil. It is a combination of canola oil,eucalyptus oil and tea tree oil.Mixed lightly with water and sprayed as a preventative once every fortnight or so keeps 97% of critters away.
I used it on a commercial flower farm so I know it works.
Legion
Legion
WA
2222 posts
WA, 2222 posts
19 Aug 2011 12:14pm
We find rats and possums sometimes eat the tops off things just for the sake of it.

For snails and slugs, find a neighbour with chickens and borrow them a few times a week and just let them loose for a half hour or so. Make sure they don't destroy your garden - they've gotta eat the pests, not dig up everything in sight. Just chase them off with a hose or a broom if they look like digging too much. If you have seedlings the chickens will destroy them. They work best around mature (stronger) plants.

Ducks would work too.
GPA
GPA
WA
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GPA GPA
WA, 2529 posts
19 Aug 2011 12:17pm
Legion said...

We find rats and possums sometimes eat the tops off things just for the sake of it.



yeah - we've had rats before, but haven't seen any for ages... suspect that they are the cauli bandits!!

And we occassionally have ducks on the front lawn... not sure how to heard them into the back yard vege patch tho'
Legion
Legion
WA
2222 posts
WA, 2222 posts
19 Aug 2011 1:58pm
Plant a few chrysanthemums here and there in the vegie patch.

You can try diatemaceous earth, works to keep bugs down in the chicken area for us.

The problem with most forms of control are, there are plenty of good insects that will also be killed/scared away.
GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
2371 posts
WA, 2371 posts
19 Aug 2011 2:44pm
Ted the Kiwi said...

We use broken up egg shells and they seem to work well - make sure you break them up extra small though - its like walking on glass for them. Garlic spray works in combination as well - although make sure you wash this off thoroughly before eating......especially on yr lettuce varieties it can really ruin a good salad!!!




+1 I allways use eggs shells and it works very very well for the crawling bugs
GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
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WA, 2371 posts
19 Aug 2011 2:55pm
Legion said...

Plant a few chrysanthemums here and there in the vegie patch.

You can try diatemaceous earth, works to keep bugs down in the chicken area for us.

The problem with most forms of control are, there are plenty of good insects that will also be killed/scared away.


diatemaceous earth, Legion...!

I learnt something usefull today..Cheers!
Tux
Tux
VIC
3829 posts
Tux Tux
VIC, 3829 posts
19 Aug 2011 5:10pm
I have used the water that the washing machine pumps out with good results...not sure how organic it is though.....
japie
japie
NSW
7146 posts
NSW, 7146 posts
19 Aug 2011 7:32pm
My favorite is Squishenem. It is for those cabage white caterpillars, the green ****ers, that decimate caulis, cabbages etc.. Grab as many caterpillars as you can find and put them in the blender with a cup of water. Spray the emulsion on the plants, you have to repeat after rain as it has no residual effect, and the bastards will disappear.

Plus it is really good watching them in the blender
Legion
Legion
WA
2222 posts
WA, 2222 posts
19 Aug 2011 6:07pm
GypsyDrifter said...

Legion said...

Plant a few chrysanthemums here and there in the vegie patch.

You can try diatemaceous earth, works to keep bugs down in the chicken area for us.

The problem with most forms of control are, there are plenty of good insects that will also be killed/scared away.


diatemaceous earth, Legion...!

I learnt something usefull today..Cheers!



Maybe it would've helped if I'd spelled "diatomaceous" properly though.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
20 Aug 2011 2:53pm
try a product called DIPEL made by yates
its a bacteria that attacks bugs stomachs. I gave the vegies 3 sprays early in winter and had nothing eat anything since. It seemed to break the breeding cycle
GPA
GPA
WA
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GPA GPA
WA, 2529 posts
20 Aug 2011 3:19pm
Thanks to everyone who replied - some good tips in there.

Mrs GPA is very surprised/pleased with the response from the SeaBreeze community...

(she thought it a little odd to post a vege garden question on a water sports site!)

PS - I have received better replies to various motoring/vehicle queries on here than via the 'proper' motoring forums - go SeaBreeze!!
GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
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WA, 2371 posts
20 Aug 2011 6:14pm
landyacht said...

try a product called DIPEL made by yates
its a bacteria that attacks bugs stomachs. I gave the vegies 3 sprays early in winter and had nothing eat anything since. It seemed to break the breeding cycle


Coowell! I shall try this next year! Cheers
GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
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WA, 2371 posts
28 Sep 2011 7:01pm
Does anyone know if this is Cercospora leaf spot ?
It's on my silverbeet and beetroot
I have never come across it before



Toots
Toots
WA
271 posts
WA, 271 posts
28 Sep 2011 7:10pm
just go chemo non organic, works everytime, If you really rely on your garden commercial products will get you outta the shiznit. I fyou live in abuilt up area, you have to ask yourself how organic is it really?
Permacultural techniques work well too, but need to be established, and local knowledge of advantageous symbiotic plant species
GPA
GPA
WA
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GPA GPA
WA, 2529 posts
28 Sep 2011 7:13pm
GypsyDrifter said...

Does anyone know if this is Cercospora leaf spot ?
It's on my silverbeet and beetroot
I have never come across it before



Hey - look for kk's post further up the page. I downloaded that doc.. it's very comprehensive and has a section on pests etc.

GPA
GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
2371 posts
WA, 2371 posts
28 Sep 2011 7:31pm
Thanks GPA yes I have the Government ag site on my pc
Just thought someone might have the same disease
but I will cut off all offended leafs tomorrow and do a milk spray (-:
Cheers Gyp's
Toots
Toots
WA
271 posts
WA, 271 posts
28 Sep 2011 8:12pm
GPA said...

GypsyDrifter said...

Does anyone know if this is Cercospora leaf spot ?
It's on my silverbeet and beetroot
I have never come across it before



Hey - look for kk's post further up the page. I downloaded that doc.. it's very comprehensive and has a section on pests etc.

GPA

Wow! that Doc is beautiful, so comprehensive, gonna get into an Aquaponics setup soon, hope you work out your dillemas too GPA, I havent had much luck myself with organic pest control methods, but then again I most likely havent tried a wholistic approach, just picking and choosing arbitrarily what I thought would work, never the whole permacultural setup with all bases covered. Organic certification is whole different ballgame, good luck mate
GPA
GPA
WA
2529 posts
GPA GPA
WA, 2529 posts
28 Sep 2011 9:26pm
^^^
Yeah - we FOUND the pest... kids' pet rabbit had found a way in... Mrs GPA saw her in there...

Not my fault - Mrs GPA was getting very upset with the loss of plants and was at a complete loss to explain it... we suspected rats - but in fact it was something bigger!

saltiest1
saltiest1
NSW
2568 posts
NSW, 2568 posts
28 Sep 2011 11:37pm
GPA said...

^^^
Yeah - we FOUND the pest... kids' pet rabbit had found a way in... Mrs GPA saw her in there...

Not my fault - Mrs GPA was getting very upset with the loss of plants and was at a complete loss to explain it... we suspected rats - but in fact it was something bigger!






thats funny
for snails a ring of copper pipe works well if you pour lemon juice over it once in a while.
Toots
Toots
WA
271 posts
WA, 271 posts
28 Sep 2011 9:48pm
I see that head of Brocolli and I grab it, "no you cant have it back Silly Wabbit"
- Flavour Flav, dont beleive the Hype ;)
GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
2371 posts
WA, 2371 posts
28 Sep 2011 11:06pm
GPA said...

^^^
Yeah - we FOUND the pest... kids' pet rabbit had found a way in... Mrs GPA saw her in there...

Not my fault - Mrs GPA was getting very upset with the loss of plants and was at a complete loss to explain it... we suspected rats - but in fact it was something bigger!




awwww shucks...it was not neither of us
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
QLD, 2057 posts
29 Sep 2011 1:29am
chlorpyrifos for all bugs!!

It's organic....... organophosphate!!
GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
2371 posts
WA, 2371 posts
17 Nov 2011 9:46pm
Just wanted to share...

I won $500 worth of ozito tools
for a garden comp this week..(found out this week)

I am looking forward to trying to figure out what I want to buy


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