Headline in the SMH said :
One person knocked unconscious every 30 mins on New Year's Eve
Be-jeezus, how unlucky is that, getting knocked out every 30 minutes. You think they would have just packed up and gone home after the second or third time.
Young men growing up without Fathers, watching MMA on TV in a country where the leaders are unaccountable cheats.
What could possibly go wrong ?
For all the violence begets violence fan club members out there please enlighten me on why the death/trauma/permanent mental and physical scaring of a human life (and his/her family friends) is tolerated by our society with the usual broken record of bestsellers including My heart goes out to you , So sad
Rest in peace and the alltime favourite Taken too soon.
Conversely the life of one murderous individual is too highly prized to have deleted from the human population.
These events are the direct result of all the issues raised in this thread, agreed but also the indirect result of a human rights culture whose capacity has outgrown its worth.
The sharks are the last thing i,m worried about, they don,t understand consequence and humans do, why aren,t we exploiting that?
No offence intended to those who offered there condolences to this poor individual or any other just an analogy.
Yeah we went down south to a lake and had to put up with twenty tattooed bogan twats doing drugs, trying to start fights and imposing themselves on everyone else's camp site with no respect at all, if someone in our group reacted could of got out of hand pretty quick. I think the problem in australia is in the schools how ever it is not the schools fault its the parents for raising a cowardly sheep that just follows the flock. What i'm saying is in most schools kids just want to be cool to fit in, being smart, paying attention, doing the right thing is not cool, however acting dumb, not paying attention, being naughty showing off in front of there friends is considered cool and these kids will do anything to be popular or feel like they fit in. This continues and only escalates each year, starts with drinking alcohol at parties who gets the drunkest or does the most outrages thing so they can brag about it at school on monday, then they move onto pot, who ever brings the pot is the man, it just continues from here. Then you get these idiots in there teens finished school get tattoos, the **** keeps going with harder drugs and these punks don't give two ****s as they have got away with doing what they want for so long they think its there right to behave like this. Schools should be given more power to punish the kids doing the wrong thing or when kids are act up, schools should be able to send the kid to go do some community service to learn some respect, parents need to pull there heads out of the sand and make sure they teach there kids from a young age how to behave.
Oh yeah and parents who send there children to Bali for schoolies should be publicly beaten for being so stupid, don't these idiots understand what these kids are getting up to.
Interesting piece prawndog but definitely true. Although I have some tatts (way before they became a bogan stamp) and I think I turned out ok 
Agree being cool is so important to kids. It always has been. I think we need to look back at what made the coolest kid back when we were at school, before acting like a retard became the bomb. Also agree a good child/person starts with a good parent.
Being good at sport is the answer - they were the cool ones and still are to a degree. Prioritize getting our kids into sport and hopefully it gels and they'll be on their way to a life where a proactive healthy passion dominates their thinking.
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Yeah we went down south to a lake and had to put up with twenty tattooed bogan twats doing drugs, trying to start fights and imposing themselves on everyone else's camp site with no respect at all, if someone in our group reacted could of got out of hand pretty quick. .
There is an age old, old school solution for that type scenario, and its best acted on at, oh, say around 4, 4.30am in the morning
It's amazing isn't it? It seems that the wealthier a society becomes the stupider it behaves. ****wits, V8s, jetskis, fights, booze, violence, willful ignorance, dumbarsedness as a badge of honour....
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Yeah we went down south to a lake and had to put up with twenty tattooed bogan twats doing drugs, trying to start fights and imposing themselves on everyone else's camp site with no respect at all, if someone in our group reacted could of got out of hand pretty quick.
I agree with you on how these bullies come about and they are pissing on what they see as their territory.
In most most pack and herd groups of animals the Alfa male sorts them out with some help from the group if needed!
The Police are our Alfa males but you need them there to be of any good, mineral1 is on to an idea 'if only we could get even'.
Video cameras have amazing results on those who are doing wrong, I avoid getting into fights for there are no winners.
But a handy tool I keep around is a squirt bottle filled with bleach and water with very little water In it if at all, just for cleaning around the camp if you know what I mean officer.
One hit to the eyes and they will beg you for the water half that seems to be missing.
Talked about this to a mate. When we we're 23 its was cool to be mellow, and it was us against the man. You know grunge, all that good stuff.
Now it seems to be us against us and no one even wants to hear someone elses opinion let alone respect it.
(See Heavy weather section for examples)
For instance I don't thnk they should cull the sharks, but if people want to do it, so be it. I respect their point of view and not gonna get on my high horse about it.
I have friends who are kiters, have different political points of view etc. there's peeps on these forums who make my blood boil, but I'd still have a beer and a laugh with them cause at the end of the day their still my wind /water brothers and sisters !!
Sh*& I'm sounding like an old man (Which I am I spose) 
Default for the record i don't actually have anything against tats, some people have them as a tribute for something or someone and they are really meaningful or inspirational for that person, just seems most of these young tuff guy types looking for trouble are all sleeved up with there skulls n snakes lol.
Their are a fSelect to expand quotemineral1 said..
Being good at sport is the answer - they were the cool ones and still are to a degree. Prioritize getting our kids into sport and hopefully it gels and they'll be on their way to a life where a proactive healthy passion dominates their thinking.
Big call there man. There are a few high profile rugby league/ AFL /tennis players, olympic swimmers, soccer players that are definitely not cool. {think of a few of the headlines the last couple of years,)I do agree sport is a great start and should be encouraged in young kids. I just think the ratio of tool/ thug is probably higher in the high profile sports than in the general population. There is a reason a lot of these guys are good at sports and its not because of a high level of intelligence.
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Schools should be given more power to punish the kids doing the wrong thing or when kids are act up, schools should be able to send the kid to go do some community service to learn some respect, parents need to pull there heads out of the sand and make sure they teach there kids from a young age how to behave.
What so us teachers need to find out what they got up to on the weekend and punish them for it? Sounds like an AWESOME idea..... cough
No thats not what I was saying, I was saying allot of it progresses from school and the mentality of the kids, thinking that by being dumb acting up in front of there fellow students makes them cool. My point was it begins to escalate into the weekends and what they get up to so they can come brag about it at school. Its not the teachers fault its the mentality of the students teachers/schools should be given the power or more rights to discipline those students constantly disrupting the class, these are the kids that grow up to cause more problems in society. In fact I never said anywhere that teachers need to find out what students are doing on the weekends. I simply pointed out how them acting up trying to get approval of there peers doesn't stop in the class room, but perhaps if these students where made an example of in front of there peers at school they would not think its so cool to act dumb at school. I hope you sort of are starting to pick up what I'm trying to say Chris_M........ cough 
Simple solution the stick needs to be much bigger. consequences need to be bigger. If your a weak prick who uses his right hand to maim someone then you get that hand cut off. Repercussions for your actions. Don't blame poor parenting poor upbringing , social injustice. These pricks now exactly what their doing. Come down hard , zero tolerance.
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Young men growing up without Fathers, watching MMA on TV in a country where the leaders are unaccountable cheats.
What could possibly go wrong ?
You couldn't be farther from the truth - MMA is actually part of the solution. Any combat sport (MMA ,Boxing, Muay Thai) teaches the proponent nothing but respect and humility. It's not a choice - getting your arse handed to you on a regular basis does that to a man. When I first got into boxing as a teen, I was a cocky rugby player. I soon learnt the harsh reality, let me tell you. Never got in a street fight after that time, nor have any of my mates/people I've known who've been fighters. It's the last thing you want to do, as you're sick of doing it five nights a week in the ring! These footy players, cricketers, etc whom you probably cheer for know nothing of this. Playing a team sport means to absolve all responsibility on the individual. It creates a pack mentality, which breeds the dickhe%d behaviour you all despise. Young men need a good dose of reality to kick them into line, and all these other sports just don't provide that! Combat sports do this post haste! I'm not saying that it's THE solution, but it's certainly a better breeding ground than the 'tamer' sports that are more socially acceptable.
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No thats not what I was saying, I was saying allot of it progresses from school and the mentality of the kids, thinking that by being dumb acting up in front of there fellow students makes them cool. My point was it begins to escalate into the weekends and what they get up to so they can come brag about it at school. Its not the teachers fault its the mentality of the students teachers/schools should be given the power or more rights to discipline those students constantly disrupting the class, these are the kids that grow up to cause more problems in society. In fact I never said anywhere that teachers need to find out what students are doing on the weekends. I simply pointed out how them acting up trying to get approval of there peers doesn't stop in the class room, but perhaps if these students where made an example of in front of there peers at school they would not think its so cool to act dumb at school. I hope you sort of are starting to pick up what I'm trying to say Chris_M........ cough
You got it back to front, poor behaviour begins at home and then escalates at school. Not the other way around.
Bugger me there are some parents that need to step up and actually be parents and stop blaming everyone around them for their little ****s' poor behaviour (not aimed at you Prawndog).
Well after going to the gym this morning and listening to Rage for a few hours, I would be angry, violent and take drugs if I grew up with the s*** they peddle as music these days!!
What happened?
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Interesting piece prawndog but definitely true. Although I have some tatts (way before they became a bogan stamp) and I think I turned out ok
Agree being cool is so important to kids. It always has been. I think we need to look back at what made the coolest kid back when we were at school, before acting like a retard became the bomb. Also agree a good child/person starts with a good parent.
Being good at sport is the answer - they were the cool ones and still are to a degree. Prioritize getting our kids into sport and hopefully it gels and they'll be on their way to a life where a proactive healthy passion dominates their thinking.
Yes,
Sports 'stars' are model citizens.
How many are drug addicts?
How many have been charged with drunken voilence and rape?
If you think sport is the only answer your a little short sighted.
I Agree with the crap parenting deal.If my kids don't give respect to us as parents or anyone else they get one behind the ear.Very seldom there is the need these days and only around their friends who also get told the right way to go about things whether their parent are within range or not.Second or third generation on now it may be too late to go back and start teaching these youngster how it should be.Give it a go where you can and don't give up.
Take the time to read this.
www.change.org/p/the-premier-of-nsw-the-hon-barry-o-farrell-mp-reform-sentencing-laws-to-curb-alcohol-fuelled-violence?alert_id=pwxIpWosjk_essLlUXEiL&utm_campaign=44861&utm_medium=email&utm_source=action_alert
Need to break the cycle somehow.Whether this is the right way to go will take a long time to tell.Something has to be started.
I am not sure if society is getting worse or as someone else pointed out its just in our face more with the rapid and saturated media coverage.
Humans have since time began done terrible things to each other.
If you look at the US they have the death penalty, far harsher penalties for offences and it has just resulted in over crowded jails.
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Interesting piece prawndog but definitely true. Although I have some tatts (way before they became a bogan stamp) and I think I turned out ok
Agree being cool is so important to kids. It always has been. I think we need to look back at what made the coolest kid back when we were at school, before acting like a retard became the bomb. Also agree a good child/person starts with a good parent.
Being good at sport is the answer - they were the cool ones and still are to a degree. Prioritize getting our kids into sport and hopefully it gels and they'll be on their way to a life where a proactive healthy passion dominates their thinking.
Yes,
Sports 'stars' are model citizens.
How many are drug addicts?
How many have been charged with drunken voilence and rape?
If you think sport is the only answer your a little short sighted.
I was wondering when someone was going to play this card, haha. I don't know the figures but I imagine its a fairly low percentage (of rape, violence, murder etc) when compared to occurrences in the general public and of course you'll always hear when a "star" turns bad. However, the issue you raise can probably be blamed more on fame, money and celebrity than the sport they play. You also have to put it in perspective.. There are bad eggs in every batch, you only have to look as far as the Catholic Church to find anomalies in what would generally be completely ideal, innocent and pure.
But.. sport in general, I'm talking grass roots level, has been an effective means to redirect youth energy into something positive and in many cases turned lost youths lives completely around. It's also a great way for positive bonds to be created between parents and child and lasting ones, particularly in surfing/kitesurfing/windsurfing type sports. Im not saying this is the only answer, that truly would be very short sighted, but it's a proven method and something for parents to consider. Especially if they live in an area where youth crime and bad influences are common. There are of course other methods to direct youths in the right direction but I'm not that into writing essays but they are things as simple as creating a distraction from bad influences, teaching discipline, self respect and respect to others.
I do overwhelmingly agree with MUCH tougher penalties on street violence when dealing with the issue on the other side.
What we need is some island on the other side of the world where we could send these bums, that's far from here like the English did once. Solved their problems instantly.
Execution does not work in the US as you it takes years to get it done.
Maybe we could be like North Korea, there is no crime at all there! The people seem happy dancing and forcing a smile all the time.
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Sorry to say but the vast majority of kids are growing up without respect for teachers, their parents and the law. This knocks on to generation after generation and now it's showing in the standard of kids coming through in our lifetime. Parents can't give a clip to their kids anymore, judges are more interested in keeping their jobs rather than doing their jobs and the justice system is a joke.
Low level crime countries are the ones with strict governments, harsh penalties and good values.
Look at Dubai.. Singapore for example. Step out of line there and you will know about it.
It would be funny to see some of these thugs who "king hit" people cop a public flogging. I bet most of them would cry like little girls.
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It would be funny to see some of these thugs who "king hit" people cop a public flogging. I bet most of them would cry like little girls.
You mean 'Coward' hit...
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" it has just resulted in over crowded jails. "
Not quite , reckon its saved many lives , and lots of misery to law abiding citizens. I can think of of a few names in the recent past that woudn't be on head stones if we had a justice system in Aus that was worthy of the term "Justice". Judges in the U.S. have to earn their position. That could be why things are different there, J
