after sailing... ice it! for the first 24 hours, normally 15 mins on 20 mins off.. etc etc
then after 48 - 72 hrs! heat!

also, after sailing NO H.A.R.M
Heat
Alcohol
Running
Massage!

Hope it helps!

Steve

1500mg a day of glucosamine hasn't done anything for my old man knee in 3 months, would increasing the dosage help? What was that other stuff you were telling me about Laurie?

SAFFIEBOY Lots of data in this thread RAL INN has some good data if you PM him.
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=38229&SearchTerms=back,pain


Mineral

Actually, done properly, kiting is easier on the knees than windsurfing.

I know one older fellow who has windsurfed for decades and who decided (after stuffing his knee [again] jumping) that windsurfing around here is for hardcore younger people, and went looking for a softer option. He's been happily kiting ever since.

Cycling is meant to be good for dodgy knees - it helps to build up the supporting muscles around the joint.

gelatin - one teaspoon per day, in your morning coffee (or tea). Your joints will love you for it.

MSM?

grumplestiltskin said...


gelatin - one teaspoon per day, in your morning coffee (or tea). Your joints will love you for it.

grumplestiltskin (I dont know if I like the idea of a teaspoon of cow hoof everyday??)

Thaks everyone, keep it coming.

saffieboy said...
grumplestiltskin (I dont know if I like the idea of a teaspoon of cow hoof everyday??)

Thaks everyone, keep it coming.

I'd eat a teaspoon of cow poo every day if it would take the pain away, it's particularly bad right now. I wonder if I took all of:

• Glucosamine and condroitin


• MSM


• Gelatin

daily, whether it would work? Could there be any adverse side effects to the combination? I'm a bit conservative when it comes to drugs, not that these really are, but I don't even take painkillers as a rule.

GreenPat said...

saffieboy said...
grumplestiltskin (I dont know if I like the idea of a teaspoon of cow hoof everyday??)

Thaks everyone, keep it coming.

I'd eat a teaspoon of cow poo every day if it would take the pain away, it's particularly bad right now. I wonder if I took all of:

• Glucosamine and condroitin


• MSM


• Gelatin

daily, whether it would work? Could there be any adverse side effects to the combination? I'm a bit conservative when it comes to drugs, not that these really are, but I don't even take painkillers as a rule.

There's a "joint food" powder product (maybe Nature's Own) with glucosamine, condroitin and msm in it.
Fish oil, 4 caps a day, is also good for joints and a heap of other ailments too.
I've been taking that stuff for a few years with no adverse side effects that I'm aware of. Cant speak for the gelatin or cow poo.

grumplestiltskin said...


You did say Hocus Pocus accepted

Fair enough

Well, i have gone onto
- the joint food (same type of stuff as the pic)
- 1 teaspoon of hoof (gelatine)
- fish oil several times per day

And its amazing, something is working, i didn't wake up with an aching knee and i only started yesterday, i'll see hw it goes over the next couple of weeks, then start dropping things to see what is doing the trick..

Thanks for the advice :)

GreenPat said...

saffieboy said...

MSM?

Methylsulfonylmethane, fart pills?

So is this true.... i have been farting like a demon since taking this stuff (some would disagree and say its all the time) but i worried my wettie is gonna reek? (or possibly rot!!)

i looked into this a while ago myself and did the research on what would also be the best supplements to take.

i ended up going with RegenR8 from the BodyScience range as it had good levels of the 3 key ingredients needed and also Manganese which apparently aids in absorption of the ingredients below...(and the price was inline with most other supplements out there)

Glucosamine HCL750mg
Chondroitin Sulfate (Shark)300mg
MSM (Methylsulfonyl Methane)200mg
www.bodyscience.com.au/page/supplements/flypage/product_id/113

Body Science seem to also supply lots of football teams and all kinds of other sporting professionals which i thought must mean they make a quality product - check the website here.
www.bodyscience.com.au/page/bodyscience/team

Apparently it's important to take both the Glucosamine HCL and Chondroitin Sulfate together...taking just one on their own is less effective (or ineffective....not sure it was a while ago that i looked into all this stuff)

The bees knees one that was recommended to me use was CosaminDS - but it is a product from the US and came with the price tag to match and so i just ended up going with the BodyScience product as the ingredients/levels were much the same.

More info on it here
www.biocel.com.au/data-sheet.html
www.vitasentials.com/cosamin_ds.htm

Also like mentioned above - Fish Oil was another recommended ingredient to take and i might try the Gelatin out too.

And doing forum searches on things like "knees" or "Glucosamine" will hit you will heaps of talk on this topic.

and finally plenty of reading on it all here
www.kneeguru.co.uk/

knees....i hate em, i want a new set please

Cycling every day was part of my recovery plan from any serious knee injuries that i had- it strengthens the muscles as previously stated but there is no jarring or impact to cause damage or aggravate- from memory I think aqua aerobics was meant to be good as well...

'Sasha's Blend' - a powdered shark cartilege condiment for dogs, you add it to their dog food.....stinks like a fish market in 40deg heat, but fixed my dogs dodgy hip in no time!

My sore knees made me formally retire from heavy weather windsurfing 3 years ago. I even arranged a helicopter to video of my last sail! Then I got talked into visiting a special Fisio.
He explained that the knee cap (patella) has a vertical keel on the inside of it, the keel runs up and down a groove in soft tissue and cartilage on the front of the knee joint. The patella gets out of line due to the tendons that centralise it tightening, causing inflamation and pain on movement.
Three or four visits that involved streching excercises and taping the patella across for a few weeks fixed the problem on both knees. The last couple of years have been the best windsurfing ever and the only maintenance required is when I occaisionally I stretch the patella tendon if it feels tight.
Martin Rooney was the Fisio (himself a windsurfer) and he works in Cottesloe, but I think most fisios know the technique.
This is the best thing to happen to me...Good luck