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evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
15 Sep 2008 10:23pm
I've had to put up with smokers all these years, now I have to put up with *those ads.

I'm not sure which is worse.



Smoking, as far as I know, kills more people than anything. So why, why is it still legal?
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
15 Sep 2008 11:10pm
Yes why?

They burned their fingers with prohibition remember. As I recall prohibition was a huge success at what it set out to achieve but the concomitant lawlessness was an even bigger success for the sensation mongering press.

If they banned tobacco they'd have to have "tobacco enforcement police" leaping out of fast cars and shooting evil tobacco junkies between the eyes. The press would have a field day and the government would fall in a heap of equivocation. "I may have said we will save the nations health but It wasn't a core promise".
lemo87
lemo87
QLD
130 posts
QLD, 130 posts
15 Sep 2008 11:24pm
All I can say is I love it that they have banned smoking in pubs and clubs.

Now, the next morning, I wake up with a raging headache, sensitivity to light, no tastebuds, and nauseous as, but MINUS a sore throat, due to inhaling bloody cigarette smoke.

Love it, keep the smoking ban up I say!
555
555
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16 Sep 2008 5:33am
Why? Because they're making a ship-load of coin from the tax on smokes..

The fact that there's also a large amount of public money spent on healthcare for people suffering from smoking related illnesses seems to have conveniently slipped their minds..
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4103 posts
QLD, 4103 posts
16 Sep 2008 9:12am
lemo87 said...


Now, the next morning, I wake up with a raging headache, sensitivity to light, no tastebuds, and nauseous as, but MINUS a sore throat, due to inhaling bloody cigarette smoke.


Not to mention jeans you might be able to wear again without a wash as long as you didn't spill too much beer on them.
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
16 Sep 2008 8:00am
I finally gave up the durries 4 years ago.
First day of the rest of my life.
Ban the smokes everywhere i say
TonyC
TonyC
WA
410 posts
WA, 410 posts
16 Sep 2008 8:11pm
Should also ban alcohol - the health and other costs of alcohol use on our society are far greater than anything.
General
General
WA
471 posts
WA, 471 posts
16 Sep 2008 8:20pm
TonyC said...

Should also ban alcohol - the health and other costs of alcohol use on our society are far greater than anything.


Now thats just plain silly
stribo
stribo
QLD
1628 posts
QLD, 1628 posts
16 Sep 2008 10:32pm
poor relative said...

I finally gave up the durries 4 years ago.
First day of the rest of my life.
Ban the smokes everywhere i say


I haven't had one for a month now and have no desire to.Hopefully they are out of my life forever.I was pissed on friday night and tried to have a drag on one and nearly greened out couldn't even draw back and it was like poison in my mouth.I smoked for more than 20 years.....
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
16 Sep 2008 10:33pm
poor relative said...

I finally gave up the durries 4 years ago.
First day of the rest of my life.
Ban the smokes everywhere i say


Thanks PR, the first day of the rest of my life starts tomorrow. I've been planning it for 6 months, so am psychologically prepared to face the demons and squash them into the ground with great force. It is truely a hard thing to do, you think the devils are gone for good, so after a few beers you think "what the heck, one won't hurt", and the dastardly demon has you in his grasp again. Wish me luck - no don't, luck has nothing to do with it, just iron clad determination. I'll go back to what I used to do years ago when trying to give up - every time the craving got too bad I'd do chin-ups on whatever was available until I was too buggered to do anything.

stribo
stribo
QLD
1628 posts
QLD, 1628 posts
16 Sep 2008 10:37pm
If i can do it anyone can Easty.Like i said after four weeks without one they now taste like sh1t!!
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
16 Sep 2008 10:46pm
Yeah I quite often go a week or two without, and yeah, after that they do taste like ****e (when you think you can have one so you do), but it's not the taste that infiltrates the brain neurons and says "I NEED, I NEED, I NEED..."
I'd be perfectly happy if they were banned.
If a heroin addict decides to give up, they get free methodone from the government.
If a smoker decides to give up, he/she can pay a fortune in patches or gum, or go cold turkey. If the government really wanted smokers to quit then patches etc would be free. (this is an argument I read somewhere, might have been here, but I like it) Cold turkey for me.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
16 Sep 2008 9:17pm
Try patches, gum, whatever, but don't lose your resolve!

Get your mates to ask you every time they see you how the non-smoking is going.

Good luck with it, after three months you'll be
baldrick
baldrick
QLD
146 posts
QLD, 146 posts
16 Sep 2008 11:23pm
Do what i did years ago to stop smoking. Every time you feel like a ciggy have a straight nip of spirits. You'll pass out in a stupor before too long.
Repeat for as long as necessary. The side effect is you also develop an adversion to hard liquor. In effect killing two birds with one stone.
Jimmyz
Jimmyz
NSW
446 posts
NSW, 446 posts
17 Sep 2008 12:56am
TonyC said...

Should also ban alcohol - the health and other costs of alcohol use on our society are far greater than anything.


As with all rational decisions its cost vs. benefit, just because it has a high cost doesn't immediately make it undesirable.
mytchook
mytchook
QLD
561 posts
QLD, 561 posts
17 Sep 2008 7:14am
I gave up smokes "cold turkey" a week ago and haven't had a single craving. I read - Allen Carr's Easyway to stop smoking". That book is brilliant. It is written by a guy who used to smoke over 100 cigarettes a day and he has heaps of clinics world wide. The book doesn't put you down for being a smoker it just rationalises everything. The book also encourages you to keep smoking whilst reading the book and by the end you just don't smoke anymore and so far I haven't felt like one at all. I am glad I am a non-smoker now.
555
555
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555 555
892 posts
17 Sep 2008 5:34am
Jimmyz said...

TonyC said...

Should also ban alcohol - the health and other costs of alcohol use on our society are far greater than anything.


As with all rational decisions its cost vs. benefit, just because it has a high cost doesn't immediately make it undesirable.


What are the benefits of alcohol then?

Family violence, drink driving, public disorderliness, unplanned sex/pregnancies, fetal-alcohol syndrome, pickled livers, impaired judgement, loss of productive time, hangovers.. Nope.. surely those can't be what you're thinking of?

I enjoy a beer after sailing as much as the next guy, but I could easily go without if it meant an end to the negative social side effects of excessive consumption.

I'm with Tony on this one - but again, the govt makes too much money from the excise tax..
08KITERZ
08KITERZ
QLD
51 posts
QLD, 51 posts
17 Sep 2008 9:05am
Alcohol has and will continue to be an issue - but banning it IMHO would only create further illicit use of same or other substances - Personally I don't have good memories of its use

Smoking is my pet peeve - what is with those that feel the need to go to the beach and smoke? For crying out loud that would have to be one of the ugliest sights and smells to experience.

We are fortunate the powers that be have put the existing bans in place - more to come hopefully, however, overseas travel always opens my eyes up for good and bad reasons and with smoking - I am staggered by the numbers that smoke and the places that they do - ie, in cinema's......

Rant over
stribo
stribo
QLD
1628 posts
QLD, 1628 posts
17 Sep 2008 10:18am
08KITERZ said...

Alcohol has and will continue to be an issue - but banning it IMHO would only create further illicit use of same or other substances - Personally I don't have good memories of its use

Smoking is my pet peeve - what is with those that feel the need to go to the beach and smoke? For crying out loud that would have to be one of the ugliest sights and smells to experience.

We are fortunate the powers that be have put the existing bans in place - more to come hopefully, however, overseas travel always opens my eyes up for good and bad reasons and with smoking - I am staggered by the numbers that smoke and the places that they do - ie, in cinema's......

Rant over


Hey some people feel as strongly about kite surfing.Everyone has/should have the right to choose.
Over the top anti smokers sh!t me to tears...they still consume and polute without a thought for anyone else just like everyone else does.
Your car pumps out more noxious,cancer causing poison gasses in your drive to the beach than a smoker does in a day and i bet you don't think twice about that.
Lay off the smokers they have the right to smoke ...and i'm a non smoker!!
walshd
walshd
SA
601 posts
SA, 601 posts
17 Sep 2008 9:51am

What are the benefits of alcohol then?

Family violence, drink driving, public disorderliness, unplanned sex/pregnancies, fetal-alcohol syndrome, pickled livers, impaired judgement, loss of productive time, hangovers.. Nope.. surely those can't be what you're thinking of?

I enjoy a beer after sailing as much as the next guy, but I could easily go without if it meant an end to the negative social side effects of excessive consumption.

I'm with Tony on this one - but again, the govt makes too much money from the excise tax..


Fark, while your there mr do gooder, go out and ban fast cars, motorcycles, petrol, paint and anything else that could potentially harm someone.

Hell, why dont we put the tax up on alcohol again!! that made a farkin big difference eh?


When will people learn that no matter what you do, someone will always abuse it or ruin it for the rest of us.
Banning is not the answer. Dryzones are a good solution to problem areas. And closing certain hotels is a possible solution too.

Its a bit like saying Kiteboarding should be banned everywhere in Australia. This is ludecrous, but high density public beaches are actually a good idea.



Beer tastes great! it has been helping fat chicks get laid for over 30 years and supports all the local farmers who grow Barley.

ode to the cold beer!!

555
555
892 posts
555 555
892 posts
17 Sep 2008 9:09am
walshd said...
Fark, while your there mr do gooder, go out and ban fast cars, motorcycles, petrol, paint and anything else that could potentially harm someone.


Yipes! I was merely responding to the JimmyZ's comment about cost vs. benefit. The costs of alcohol are easy to see, the benefits, not so much..

What I was getting at is that the organisations responsible for banning, or not banning things, rather than making the decision based on a broader 'cost v benefit' decision, are motivated more by the money aspect. (which is only a small part of the picture)

Classic case of 'take what I can get now, without worrying about what it'll cost me tomorrow'. Look where that attitude has got the finance companies, and Wall st lately!

Panda is onto it - smoking and boozing are fine, as long as you're not forcing other people to deal with your consequences.

Make your choices, just don't f*** it up for the rest of us.

Is it beer o'clock yet?
theDoctor
theDoctor
NSW
5786 posts
NSW, 5786 posts
17 Sep 2008 11:32am
the thing that gets me the most about about ciggies, is its not just tobacco in those sticks, but also the whole concoction of additives, put in there for the sole purpose of creating an addiction... they have to be the most underhanded and vile things ever deviosly placed onto a market for this fact alone.

humans deliberately poisoning humans...

and alcohol, by its very definition a poison, is not much better. alcohol, especialy how it is used to absolute excess in this society, creates more problems than it does benefits.

i'd rather be in a room full of stoners than a room full of drunks
Richiefish
Richiefish
QLD
5612 posts
QLD, 5612 posts
17 Sep 2008 11:50am
mytchook said...

I gave up smokes "cold turkey" a week ago and haven't had a single craving. I read - Allen Carr's Easyway to stop smoking". That book is brilliant. It is written by a guy who used to smoke over 100 cigarettes a day and he has heaps of clinics world wide. The book doesn't put you down for being a smoker it just rationalises everything. The book also encourages you to keep smoking whilst reading the book and by the end you just don't smoke anymore and so far I haven't felt like one at all. I am glad I am a non-smoker now.


I read that book. It worked for me too,(and many others). Read it in one sitting, smoked the whole way through, and then just stopped. Dont bother with patches and gum etc. You're still addicted to nicotine. Ya just stop.
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
17 Sep 2008 2:49pm
Strength brothers. Think what you do for your children by stopping.
If you don't have kids then go and have some, but stop smoking first.
barbs
barbs
67 posts
67 posts
17 Sep 2008 1:10pm
walshd said...


What are the benefits of alcohol then?

Family violence, drink driving, public disorderliness, unplanned sex/pregnancies, fetal-alcohol syndrome, pickled livers, impaired judgement, loss of productive time, hangovers.. Nope.. surely those can't be what you're thinking of?

I enjoy a beer after sailing as much as the next guy, but I could easily go without if it meant an end to the negative social side effects of excessive consumption.

I'm with Tony on this one - but again, the govt makes too much money from the excise tax..


Fark, while your there mr do gooder, go out and ban fast cars, motorcycles, petrol, paint and anything else that could potentially harm someone.

Hell, why dont we put the tax up on alcohol again!! that made a farkin big difference eh?


When will people learn that no matter what you do, someone will always abuse it or ruin it for the rest of us.
Banning is not the answer. Dryzones are a good solution to problem areas. And closing certain hotels is a possible solution too.

Its a bit like saying Kiteboarding should be banned everywhere in Australia. This is ludecrous, but high density public beaches are actually a good idea.



Beer tastes great! it has been helping fat chicks get laid for over 30 years and supports all the local farmers who grow Barley.

ode to the cold beer!!




Here here, thats the way, to many do gooders, lets wrap ourselves in cotton wool & not surf, kite, ect ect cos we mite get hurt, we wouldnt even think of that. If some one wants to smoke let them ita a free country aparently. Im not a smoker but beleive in freedom of choice myself
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
17 Sep 2008 1:47pm
What really sh!ts me is a smoker will crawl accross red hot coals for 50kms to get to a shop hat sells ciggys but will then be too kn lazy to cross a path a metre or so to put a but (which will not degrade for a decade or so) in a kn bin!!!

Aaaarrggghhh!!! They really are the most potent combination of selfish and ignorant walks of life out there!!

Yep - I worked for years in pubs/clubs passive smoking so I think it is brilliant that smoking has been banned in these areas. It should also be 100% banned from eating spots. Eeyyyeeww it is sooo gross to be eating and some stinky kn tosser lights up at the next table!! I am always tempted to go fart in their mush and see how they like a nice aromatic experience similar to the one they just shared with me..

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23645 posts
WA, 23645 posts
17 Sep 2008 1:53pm
I quit smoking 2 yrs ago but I'm still addicted to nicotine lozenges

However I still firmly believe in choice. It is disgusting that they have banned smoking outdoors like at an alfresco restaurant with smoky cars going past. Now they extend that to you can't even smoke when walking past an alfresco restaurant. They are trying to ban smoking in the whole street if there is a few eateries there, and that is just wrong. I would never light up, neither would any other smokers I know, if it was going to blow towards somebody still eating. In 10 yrs of smoking I never saw anyone do it.

Not smoking at workplaces and having to go off site totally is also wrong... why can't two guys have a puff in the carpark 20m from the door to the building?

As for those who advocate a good inhale of THC - no way. Mull leads to mental problems and I have seen many people in psychotic episodes kill others, smash the house up and so on. And that is after they stopped smoking mull ... the brain damage can be permanent. Mull affects OTHERS more than smoking tobacco does.
windsurfer44
windsurfer44
WA
243 posts
WA, 243 posts
17 Sep 2008 2:36pm
apparently there are these new pills you can get, my boss is on them and has had no urges to have a drag or anything.
555
555
892 posts
555 555
892 posts
17 Sep 2008 6:49pm
windsurfer44 said...

apparently there are these new pills you can get, my boss is on them and has had no urges to have a drag or anything.


Are they small blue ones?
CJW
CJW
NSW
1731 posts
CJW CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
17 Sep 2008 11:43pm
I honestly can't look at someone who smokes these days without thinking "what a douche". Given the financial penalty, health penalty and general nuisance to other non smokers like myself it's a wonder why anyone does it. Say you spend $50 a week on smokes, invest that over the life of your habit, lets call it 40 years?, compounded at current rates that's half a million $. Who in their right mind willingly pisses away half a mill and gets heath issues to boot....

I'm proud to say I have never, to this day, taken a drag of a cigarette. Even when it was 'the cool thing' to do at school, I just thought to myself....retards.

I apologise for offending anyone in advance but I fell pretty strongly against it. The sooner smokers are confined to only smoking in their homes the better I say :D

/dons flame suit.
fatwa
fatwa
TAS
107 posts
TAS, 107 posts
18 Sep 2008 1:18am
I wonder when it will be as socially acceptable to bag out a fat person eating a burger as it is to bag a smoker. Being a fatty is just as bad for you, and the health system.
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