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zippyblue
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24 Jun 2010 8:35pm
Umm she reminds me of somebody.

Mark _australia
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24 Jun 2010 7:03pm
dan berry said...

I would have thought keeping aus out of recession when everyone else went Down would have been worth a little more???? Aparently not.


Yes it worked wonderfully.
Spending money worked.

However it was only there due to the sound financial management of the previous Liberal Govt, and that is an inescapable reality

Gestalt
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24 Jun 2010 9:10pm
hear hear mark....

there is no way krudd head fell on his sword, he was evicted kicking and screaming. the unions that lent him the power in the first place just asked for repayment in full.

FormulaNova
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WA
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24 Jun 2010 7:14pm
Mark _australia said...

dan berry said...

I would have thought keeping aus out of recession when everyone else went Down would have been worth a little more???? Aparently not.


Yes it worked wonderfully.
Spending money worked.

However it was only there due to the sound financial management of the previous Liberal Govt, and that is an inescapable reality




Ahhh, this is why politics is verboten here. We could argue endlessly about who did what when. Nothing in politics is an inescapable reality.
TrevNewman
TrevNewman
VIC
237 posts
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24 Jun 2010 9:25pm
Sad day for Aus...sure is IMO

The Prime Minister kicked out for trying to take some cash from some mega-loaded mining company owners, seems we don't have democracy, we have a banana republic, hope someone sends in the UN Peacekeepers to restore our democracy...c'mon the blue helmets.
evlPanda
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24 Jun 2010 9:32pm
dan berry said...

I thought it was cuz the mining industry makes up a Big chunk of the economy. Make it less profitable for them and they take there hole diggin money somewhere else, and take that big chunk of the economy with them. I'm sure the guys in wa could appreciate that.


Yeah but if the hole is still a profitable hole somebody else will use it. Would you like a profitable gold mine?

edit:



(sorry ladies, being a sexist pig again, 'tis all in good fun I swear)
Minkee
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24 Jun 2010 9:37pm
I'm not judging who's right or wrong, I'm a permanent resident yet to be citizen so I'll keep my view for me until that day arrives.

All I have to say is that I find quite interesting that you can change the leader of a country without asking the 23 millions of people that live in that same country in the first place. It is a pretty scary thought come to think of it...

Somehow the Westminster Democracy regime has one word to many in it to describe it...
myusernam
myusernam
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24 Jun 2010 9:54pm
what the fark went wrong. was she so good at fetching coffees or something that they decide to let her do everything? I hope those elocution lessons have been helpfull or i'll willfully make myself deaf just so I dont have to listen to that nasal whining. No wonder shes not married. Can you imagine listening to that in the morning?!






FBRoy
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24 Jun 2010 9:58pm
myusernam said...

what the fark went wrong. was she so good at fetching coffees or something that they decide to let her do everything? I hope those elocution lessons have been helpfull or i'll willfully make myself deaf just so I dont have to listen to that nasal whining. No wonder shes not married. Can you imagine listening to that in the morning?!



You're right. Then again, there's always someone out there for everyone.

You're probably even married.

mineral1
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24 Jun 2010 8:14pm
FormulaNova said...

Mark _australia said...

dan berry said...

I would have thought keeping aus out of recession when everyone else went Down would have been worth a little more???? Aparently not.


Yes it worked wonderfully.
Spending money worked.

However it was only there due to the sound financial management of the previous Liberal Govt, and that is an inescapable reality




Ahhh, this is why politics is verboten here. We could argue endlessly about who did what when. Nothing in politics is an inescapable reality.



Bloody Keating's management more like it, ya bunch of clots
Just ask him
poor relative
poor relative
WA
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24 Jun 2010 8:29pm
My take on it.....

Rudders wants to introduce a profits tax on big multi national companies raping our remote areas.
Big companies think that tax will eat into our profits too much, shareholders will suffer cant do it.
Shareholders informed of how the tax will impact on their dividends.
Some Labor party facton members are shareholders "we need to change this"
They rat fu@# Rudders and stick in a shiela to take the focus away from the fact that Rudders has been rat f@#$ED and Australia now has its first woman prime minister.
Gillard steps up to the job like a good welsh chick, (LOL) and in her maiden speech says the tax needs to be re-worked.
In a few weeks i imagine there will be no tax on the table.

The power of corporations.
maxm
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24 Jun 2010 10:40pm
Mark _australia said...

However it was only there due to the sound financial management of the previous Liberal Govt, and that is an inescapable reality


Yeah but Mark, that was OUR money! They took it out of our pay in order to do stuff. And what they did with it was absolutely nothing. They did not pay for education or health services or decent pensions or any other damned thing unless maybe you want to count a stupid war that we shouldn't have been in in the first place.

It was easy for them to claim "sound financial management" when they were endlessly ripping money hand over fist out of everywhere they could get it.
NotWal
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24 Jun 2010 11:00pm
Minkee said...

I'm not judging who's right or wrong, I'm a permanent resident yet to be citizen so I'll keep my view for me until that day arrives.

All I have to say is that I find quite interesting that you can change the leader of a country without asking the 23 millions of people that live in that same country in the first place. It is a pretty scary thought come to think of it...

Somehow the Westminster Democracy regime has one word too many in it to describe it...


Well the PM is supposed to be a leader of equals. It does get a bit disturbing to see a PM getting carried away with power that he doesn't (constitutionally) have. Kevin was guilty of that. He was smart and capable and had the heart for it and I have no doubt he was getting back on track vis a vis collegiality due to a slew of recent scares from imbroglios and fkups. He was still the best guy for the job. I just think the caucus blinked given the proximity of the election. Then again maybe the miners, seeing him as a threat to their obscene wealth, engineered a coup - something for the anti-conspiracy police to look into.

I think you have just witnessed Westminster System checks and balances in action red in tooth and claw. Politics is a blood sport but it is entertaining. It will be just as entertaining when the Libs rediscover their new Messiah (MT) That guy's not a spent force.

We will be going republic sooner or later. (If and when Malcolm gets the helm it will be sooner) If you have any suggestions about constitutional change why not start a thread about it? That would be entertaining.

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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24 Jun 2010 9:03pm
maxm said...

Mark _australia said...

However it was only there due to the sound financial management of the previous Liberal Govt, and that is an inescapable reality


Yeah but Mark, that was OUR money! They took it out of our pay in order to do stuff. And what they did with it was absolutely nothing. They did not pay for education or health services or decent pensions or any other damned thing unless maybe you want to count a stupid war that we shouldn't have been in in the first place.

It was easy for them to claim "sound financial management" when they were endlessly ripping money hand over fist out of everywhere they could get it.


Uh, that is called tax. What they did was encourage industry and so on a sound financial growth that generated more income for the Govt. Not like they ripped it from us!

Would you rather they "did did stuff with it" to excess, and then when the GFC came we ended up financially ruined?

Gestalt
Gestalt
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24 Jun 2010 11:06pm
maxm i think you are confusing federal and state there.

infrastructure, health and education are state responsibilities. plus, the poor in australia were taxed less under howard. etc etc etc.....

back to the debate,

i personally don't think this was becasue of the super tax. i think the decisions were made in the back rooms when the ets was dumped and the super tax was just the icing on the cake. if it was because of the super tax then why did swan get a promotion.

the only one i liked in the labor party was tanner and he's walking. respect to him!

the rest are the same people that trashed the labor party with botched programs and failed agendas. even gillard admitted that in her maiden speech.



poor relative
poor relative
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24 Jun 2010 9:26pm
Gestalt said...



the only one i liked in the labor party was tanner and he's walking. respect to him!

the rest are the same people that trashed the labor party with botched programs and failed agendas. even gillard admitted that in her maiden speech.




I so agree with this i even green thumbed.
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
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24 Jun 2010 9:38pm
I would like to see profits* based tax up for discussion/consultation... And not just miners... lets throw it open... Banking, banking, banking... A profits based tax is a very good idea. The Henry model is not. The way it was sold to us was deceitful. Kev missed the point; this nation is full of people who DO understand, and CAN investigate for themselves.

It will be interesting to see the JG rhetoric, once she frees herself from the ruddribble.

* Real "profits" tax, not an invented resources super profit assessable income - otherwise known as revenue after allowance for deduction of some direct operating expenditure.

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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24 Jun 2010 9:47pm
Gestalt said...

back to the debate,

i personally don't think this was becasue of the super tax. i think the decisions were made in the back rooms when the ets was dumped and the super tax was just the icing on the cake. if it was because of the super tax then why did swan get a promotion.







Agreed. But further: My gut feeling is that due to the negative press on the ETS backflip, super tax, and to a lesser extent all the failed programs like the insulation one etc, the backroom said "we are going to lose this election" and decided to dump him and stick in Julia so it looks like they are doing something.

It won't work as already 2/3 of people are saying they don't want her as P.M and would not vote for her.
Labor has bvggered up enough already, roll on the Libs again.
elmo
elmo
WA
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24 Jun 2010 9:56pm
Don't forget it wasn't just the mining tax which sent the labor party into panic mode

Emissions trading scheme
Internet filtering
Internet monitoring
Health reform
Creative spending during GFC

and for those thinking that the mining tax will only affect the rich, just need to check their super funds again, guess what those blue chip shares are


elmo
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WA
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24 Jun 2010 9:57pm
Bugger, MA beat me to it
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
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25 Jun 2010 12:11am
agreed, the list is long. very very long.
Torch
Torch
WA
521 posts
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24 Jun 2010 11:54pm
Lets dig it all up and ship it out and make foreign companies, investors and directors rich even though china and japan cant get enough raw materials and are still willing to pay any price for it.

A government actually thinking about the future of environment,
na farkit! lets think about now and how we can make money through industry dividends and let our grandchildren breath our carbon monoxide.

People are only thinking about the now! cause your all up to your eyeballs in dept because your trying to pay of your two units and your house and have lost sight of the future ie conserving jobs over 100 years and not just 50 years in the mining industry and our morel obligation to the future inhabitants of this earth and keeping your lives simple and not a slave to some bul****e bank.
GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
2371 posts
WA, 2371 posts
24 Jun 2010 11:55pm
Ruddy boy was VERY....um "PROUD" with his speech today or is that "Proud" no it was "pRoUd" bloomin heck..never want to hear that word again

GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
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24 Jun 2010 11:59pm
Oh by the way...."what hand out to boost the economy" ?

I am single, childless and not on a pension...so Fraking nothing for me
Went to everyone with six kids and 2 wives oh yes and backpackers...lets not forget them
Torch
Torch
WA
521 posts
WA, 521 posts
25 Jun 2010 12:16am
GypsyDrifter said...

Oh by the way...."what hand out to boost the economy" ?

I am single, childless and not on a pension...so Fraking nothing for me
Went to everyone with six kids and 2 wives oh yes and backpackers...lets not forget them


The backpackers work in remote areas picking fruit so you can sit on nepolian street drinking crapaccinos

I am single and have no children...
myusernam
myusernam
QLD
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25 Jun 2010 7:15am
poor relative said...

Gestalt said...



the only one i liked in the labor party was tanner and he's walking. respect to him!

the rest are the same people that trashed the labor party with botched programs and failed agendas. even gillard admitted that in her maiden speech.




I so agree with this i even green thumbed.


agree also.
myusernam
myusernam
QLD
6158 posts
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25 Jun 2010 7:27am
poor relative said...

My take on it.....

Rudders wants to introduce a profits tax on big multi national companies raping our remote areas.
Big companies think that tax will eat into our profits too much, shareholders will suffer cant do it.
Shareholders informed of how the tax will impact on their dividends.
Some Labor party facton members are shareholders "we need to change this"
They rat fu@# Rudders and stick in a shiela to take the focus away from the fact that Rudders has been rat f@#$ED and Australia now has its first woman prime minister.
Gillard steps up to the job like a good welsh chick, (LOL) and in her maiden speech says the tax needs to be re-worked.
In a few weeks i imagine there will be no tax on the table.

The power of corporations.


Australians deserve to reap some reward from having natural resources. I reckon there will be a super profits tax (it was recommended by treasury. all Rudd did was try and impliment the treasury recommendations in full) But it will be a higher threshold and the rebates will be dumped as gillard has suggested.

I think Rudd's reforms were ok and a better leader with better charisma could have pulled them off. I think ultimatley his greatest downfall had less to do with policy and more to do with his public perception and his leadership of the party.

I wonder if some ex boyfriend of JG has some photos of her lying on the beach as a youngster with her tits out or something?
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
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25 Jun 2010 7:40am
Rio Tinto's underlying annual profit surged to a record $8.22 billion
Woodside Net profit for the year to December 31 rose to $1.82 billion
BHP Billiton has reported an after tax cash profit of $6.5 billion for the six months to the end of December.
Newcrest says the net profit of $176.2 million for the six months to the end of December.....


Poor mining companies
One has to ask how can they afford to give something back to the Australian public
Paradox
Paradox
QLD
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25 Jun 2010 10:03am
Actually a big chunk of those companies is owned by mum and dad Australians through super funds....
japie
japie
NSW
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25 Jun 2010 10:12am
A big chunk of everyones super is owned by private corporations and they will do with it what they will. I cannot believe how short peoples memories are. How far in the past was it when we had so many on the cusp of retiring retirees crying that they now had to return to work because their super had been gobbled up by the system!

Whichever corporate spokesperson heads up parliament makes little difference in the long term.
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