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Sailhack
Sailhack
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24 Jun 2010 10:11am
Laurie - I know we're not supposed to discuss politics, but this is a pretty big development. With our PM being nudged out by his subordinates, mainly the big power brokers & unions, are we moving into dangerous times?

I mean, How will Aus look on the world stage with an elected PM being ambushed into a ballot for a position he already holds mid-term?

I'm not a political analyst, but is it somewhat possible that other countries (power-houses) will look at this whole situation as a country in 'political turmoil' & how will our economy respond?

Another thing that's been dismissed by all political commentators - Did KRudd bite off more than he can chew by going after the mining industry? It seems that his 'fall from grace' (their words) started about the same time he introduced the proposal for the 'super-profit tax'.

Don't get me wrong...I'm all for a move for the better if Gillard makes a better PM, and having a female PM doesn't worry me in the least (even if she is a ranga), but I'm a little concerned about the motives, Aus' reputation & the repurcussions.
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
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24 Jun 2010 10:34am
It's one thing I don't understand about politics here - everywhere else I've lived you vote in a premier/priminister and that's who you get the full term (for better or worse).

The public voted for him, he should have stayed for better or worse and if they wanted to change should have done it for the election.

Wonder who their sending to the G20 tomorrow?
doggie
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24 Jun 2010 8:35am
This will get messy - Cisco stay calm
FlySurfer
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24 Jun 2010 10:35am
WTF is happening!!!!

Kevin in my opinion is one of the smartest politicians in Australia!
Julia sounds and acts like she's suffered a stroke! Oh and she's also a wranger!

Anyway this is all just a dream Kevin will still be here.
FlySurfer
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24 Jun 2010 10:38am
cRAZY Canuk: No, you voted for a party! Same as in UK, Canada, NZ, India, ...................................................................................................................................................................
62mac
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24 Jun 2010 8:58am
just like a dud party you pack up and go home early
doggie
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24 Jun 2010 9:29am
FlySurfer said...

WTF is happening!!!!

Kevin in my opinion is one of the smartest politicians in Australia!
Julia sounds and acts like she's suffered a stroke! Oh and she's also a wranger!

Anyway this is all just a dream Kevin will still be here.


But he cant talk, he opens his mouth and sh!t comes out maybe its chem trails
Sailhack
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24 Jun 2010 12:30pm
cRAZY Canuk said...

It's one thing I don't understand about politics here - everywhere else I've lived you vote in a premier/priminister and that's who you get the full term (for better or worse).


Generally that's the concensus...this one sets a precedent I reckon, it's happened to many opposition leaders in the past but I don't think it's ever happened to a PM. Personally I think it undermines the government & shows us who's really running the country. Gillard was put in a difficult position too & I reckon if she didn't take up the offer, who knows what would've happened? Fine line between persuasion & blackmail in politics!


The public voted for him, he should have stayed for better or worse and if they wanted to change should have done it for the election.


The labour party are more concerned about keeping the power & not losing the next election than saving face of Australia & its government...sadly.


japie
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24 Jun 2010 1:23pm
It is a fairly simple equation as far as I am concerned. Kev did not toe the line, tried to take some money off the men who own most of it and reaped the consequences.

Anyone who thinks this is a democracy is delusional.
getfunky
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24 Jun 2010 11:35am
Kev made the mistake of assuming the public (and his party of idiots) could follow his intellect. He also didn't sway enough on the race ticket ride (as he plainly stated prior to be dumped last night) so he was probably too honest to survive. Bloody sad that.

Abott on the other hand is honest about not being honest off the cuff. Er??

Julia will give Rangas everywhere hope for the future.

Brace ytourself for a lick-spittle 'yes to the fat white blokes holding the cash' govt in future (and that is both Lab and Lib).
GypsyDrifter
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24 Jun 2010 11:49am
Different face....................
Same party policies...................

She was one of the 4 that enabled all recent policies...

Nothings changed yet....we will all need some time to see what is going to be different..
if at all.

and I suppose what goes around comes around

Quote> 2006 leadership challenge

With continued weak performances in preferred Prime Minister opinion polls, 2006 was punctuated by a number of embarrassing gaffes from the opposition leader. At a press conference on 17 November 2006, Beazley confused the grieving TV host Rove McManus with President Bush's adviser, Karl Rove, offering his sympathy to the wrong Rove.

Beazley's leadership of the Labor Party came under increasing pressure. Opposition to Beazley again centred around foreign affairs spokesperson Kevin Rudd and health spokesperson Julia Gillard. According to media reports, the New South Wales Right faction promised its support to Rudd for leadership so long as he challenged Beazley before Christmas. On 30 November 2006 Rudd met with Beazley and announced his intention to challenge for the leadership. On 1 December, Beazley announced not only a leadership election but also that all frontbench positions within the Parliamentary Labor Party would be made vacant. Both sides claimed that they were in a winning position.

A ballot was held on Monday 4 December and Kevin Rudd was declared the winner and leader of the ALP, by a margin of 49 votes to 39. After the leadership results were announced, Jenny Macklin withdrew from the contest for deputy leader, which allowed Gillard to be elected unopposed to that position.

Following the ballot, Beazley said of his political future, "For me to do anything further in the Australian Labor Party I would say is Lazarus with a quadruple bypass. So the time has come for me to move on but when that gets properly formalised I will let you know." It was also revealed that his brother David had died of a severe heart attack at age 53, shortly before the vote took place. <Unquote
Carantoc
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24 Jun 2010 11:55am
FlySurfer said...

cRAZY Canuk: No, you voted for a party! Same as in UK, Canada, NZ, India, ...................................................................................................................................................................



Absolutely. As Australia is a Westminster style democracy you actually voted for your local MP.

You local MP has chosen to be a member of a polical party

That polical party has chosen to elect a leader

That leader effectly nominates himself prime minster and asks the governor general (as the queen's represenattive) to allow them to become Prime Minister

Only the votors of Rudd's electorate voted for him (well 30% of them).


All you people who moan about politics why not fight for polical parties to be banned ?

You vote for your local MP.
All the MPs vote for a speaker
All the MPs vote for a PM (to lead and represent not to dictate)
All MPs get free vote on all motions, and not controlled by behind the scenes unelected party power brokers
All mPs nominate for seats on select committees and get rotated around them during the fixed term of the parliament

Would you not get a broader, more inclusive and moderate parliament acting in the interest of local communities more than maintenance of party power ?
Or would you get anarchy and unstable parliament with 1 vote for each and every PM candidate and then parties and groupings by default ?

Argh yes, been tried before in the glorious days of the Roman republic, it worked so well (except until it collapsed into anarchy to be reborn in autocracy and empire, which funnily enough survived for a longer period of time than the republic)
poor relative
poor relative
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24 Jun 2010 12:12pm
Makes you wonder if the mining companies are running Australia?

Oh well, at least she is Welsh.
getfunky
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24 Jun 2010 12:23pm
Gawd.. will anyone understand WTF she is writing on paper? Will she understand??

My vote for Fireman Sam for PM (also Welsh).

Vote one moi.
Diver
Diver
WA
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24 Jun 2010 12:44pm
Sure is a sad day for Aus.

I reckon that the government under Kev 07 just couldn't govern anymore. It became way too focussed and micro-managed by the man himself and he was not able to negotiate a position that enabled his policies / legislation to get through a hostile Senate.

Those big fat white guys with money must now be laughing all the way to the bank.
cisco
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24 Jun 2010 3:15pm
doggie said...

This will get messy - Cisco stay calm


I am calm. I have managed to get my head up my backside and am about to hit the flush button.

cisco
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24 Jun 2010 3:25pm
FlySurfer said...

cRAZY Canuk: No, you voted for a party! Same as in UK, Canada, NZ, India,


No. You voted for or against a parliamentiary representative in your electorate.
Unfortunately in our system this becomes a proxy vote for a party in most electorates when two party prefferred votes are counted.

If you are interested to see how it all works, volunteer to be a scrutineer at your local pollong booth at the upcoming election. Quite facinating.

Edit:- BTW, what is a Ranga??

doggie
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24 Jun 2010 1:28pm
cisco said...

doggie said...

This will get messy - Cisco stay calm


I am calm. I have managed to get my head up my backside and am about to hit the flush button.




Comode assisted suicide not nice
FlySurfer
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24 Jun 2010 3:30pm
Kevin had to micro-manage cos everybody in his party was completely incompetent.
People think he flip flop'ed on principals/policies, but in reality he just realised it was a no win "Climate Bill/ETS".

The schools things wasn't his fault, how was he to known contractors were gona rip the state off.

The insulation, wtf!

And what killed his carrier? He want to tax "SUPER" profits of companies raping and pillaging Australia, and distribute the wealth more appropriately... seriously he wasn't going to keep the money in his pocket or buy some dud overpriced F-18 Hornets.

Howard sent the country to war looking for imaginary weapons of MASS destruction.

Oh well, they come they go... we really need participatory democracy over "representative" democracy... cos I just can't stand to listen to Gillard... Welsh woman from Adelaide.


nebbian
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24 Jun 2010 2:23pm
Kev fell on his sword as a last ditch effort to try to keep labour afloat, Julia didn't want to but was convinced by Kev.

I can't understand what the huge voter backlash is against the super profits tax, something that doesn't affect most of us, and there's absolutely no outrage over Conroy's internet stupidity which will affect every single Australian?
Pugwash
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24 Jun 2010 2:27pm
nebbian said...

super revenues tax


Fixed it
FlySurfer
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24 Jun 2010 4:32pm
nebbian: gillard stabbed Kevin in the back... or as she would have it, she did what she thought was best for the party... what ever.

There was no voter backlash, there was a media backlash fuelled by "resource" shareholders.
colinwill78
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24 Jun 2010 4:43pm
Ranga's Rock!!

evlPanda
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24 Jun 2010 5:26pm
FlySurfer said...
There was no voter backlash, there was a media backlash fuelled by "resource" shareholders.


^ This.

Poor Kevin had too tough a time explaining complicated things to the simpleton masses.
Murdoch/newscorp are pros at explaining things to the simpleton masses.

The International Monetary Fund gave claps all around for the Labor government's handling of the GFC, and now the mining tax. So did the Treasury and most accountants in Australia (needs sauce).
www.abc.net.au/news/2010-06-23/imf-backs-mining-tax/877856



Gillard will garner many votes just for being a woman. I quote a colleague: "I like her, she has a pretty face".

It's all political if you ask m.... hey, wait a minute.

cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
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24 Jun 2010 5:36pm
Sorry I kinda mucked up what I was attempting to say - bit dopey from watching the Socceroos this morning when I posted that

Was trying to say that you don't see this as often or as frequent as it seems to happen here in other countries (would have been easier to say that) then again I remember the last time this happened in Canada or at least the last time I can remember it happening (10-12 years ago?)

My dad once told me - " at a dinner table never talk about women, politics or money." might enforce that here.
choco
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24 Jun 2010 5:29pm
Bring back "Dictators" (who assumes sole and absolute power)what they so goes! and it's only the cost of a bullet to sack them.
dan berry
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24 Jun 2010 4:56pm
I would have thought keeping aus out of recession when everyone else went Down would have been worth a little more???? Aparently not.
NotWal
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24 Jun 2010 7:06pm
...

Edit:- BTW, what is a Ranga??



Contraction of orang-utan (like FlySurfer): a red head, a bluey :)

getfunky
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24 Jun 2010 5:10pm
Fanta pants, glow go-bits, bloodnut, ginger, alien. That sorta thing.
NotWal
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24 Jun 2010 7:20pm
nebbian said...

Kev fell on his sword as a last ditch effort to try to keep labour afloat, Julia didn't want to but was convinced by Kev.

I can't understand what the huge voter backlash is against the super profits tax, something that doesn't affect most of us, and there's absolutely no outrage over Conroy's internet stupidity which will affect every single Australian?



Could it be the power of advertising? All those Joe average heads bleating "We'll all be rooned" like Hanrahan. The fat cats don't just roll over do they. They fight for every dollar and they certainly don't stop at lies.

Nebbs if you were one of those fat cats Conroy would be out on his arse in no time :)
dan berry
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24 Jun 2010 6:11pm
I thought it was cuz the mining industry makes up a Big chunk of the economy. Make it less profitable for them and they take there hole diggin money somewhere else, and take that big chunk of the economy with them. I'm sure the guys in wa could appreciate that.
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