Woodo said...

Worship or Believe in whatever you like. It's your life. Do what you want.
Just don't push your****** religion on anyone else! Simple really.

(.Y.)

Jeez mate you could have said that on the first page

(.).)

edit> dam it, three pages now!!

doggie said...

Woodo said...

Worship or Believe in whatever you like. It's your life. Do what you want.
Just don't push your****** religion on anyone else! Simple really.

(.Y.)

Jeez mate you could have said that on the first page

(.).)

edit> dam it, three pages now!!

Would there be 2 billion Muslims if it wasn't pushed onto other people?

No, people who aren't raised into Islam rarely join it under their own motivation!

"No Bacon or Sex? Prayer 5 times a day? In Arabic? No thanks.. "

If people didn't push it upon gullible adolescents then there would be nobody knocking on Busters door on Sundays.. Simple really..

But thats not the case, so it must be held accountable, and the best way to do that is with laughter! The most powerful weapon available..

superlizard said...



even using terms such as "Rainbow Serpent" to me demonstrates one sidedness and not approaching ideas with open mind but just using opportunity to mock something. Just because most religions sheepishly claim about white bearded god creating planet with a magic wand, doesn't mean that there isn't a valid intellectual argument about intelligence behind complexities of life as opposed to random chance.

First there is nothing random about evolution, mutations are random, but the selection process is anything but.

Can you explain to me the valid intellectual argument for this intelligence? Or point me in the direction of an intelligent argument for this?

for example, i've seen some very plausible in-depth scientific analysis to support evolution. But i've also seen some equally very plausible in-depth scientific analysis to point towards case of intelligent designer. I'm not claiming which one is more valid than the other, but i fully recognise that both sides of the argument have very valid claims backed up by science/logic etc.

Can you provide a source?

If you propose an Intelligent Designer to explain Complexity then you must explain this Intelligent Designer.

Anything capable of creating the universe would have to be far more complicated than the universe it created.. < This is the fundamental flaw with ID, it postulates something infinitely more complex to answer the problem of complexity.. It's Bunk..

alright...back from lunch.

Can you provide a source?

Sure. If you are interested in some lenghy reading, PM me and i'll send you the details. I'm not a mormon nor jehovas witness, so don't want to promote nor push any such topics nor beliefs here. All i'm arguing about is that all possibilities have to be thoroughly explored before dismissing anything.

Anything capable of creating the universe would have to be far more complicated than the universe it created.. < This is the fundamental flaw with ID, it postulates something infinitely more complex to answer the problem of complexity.. It's Bunk..

You mean kind of like man creating a car for example... something far more complicated creating something far less complex... right?

barn said...

doggie said...

Woodo said...

Worship or Believe in whatever you like. It's your life. Do what you want.
Just don't push your****** religion on anyone else! Simple really.

(.Y.)

Jeez mate you could have said that on the first page

(.).)

edit> dam it, three pages now!!

Would there be 2 billion Muslims if it wasn't pushed onto other people?

No, people who aren't raised into Islam rarely join it under their own motivation!

"No Bacon or Sex? Prayer 5 times a day? In Arabic? No thanks.. "

If people didn't push it upon gullible adolescents then there would be nobody knocking on Busters door on Sundays.. Simple really..

But thats not the case, so it must be held accountable, and the best way to do that is with laughter! The most powerful weapon available..

superlizard said...



even using terms such as "Rainbow Serpent" to me demonstrates one sidedness and not approaching ideas with open mind but just using opportunity to mock something. Just because most religions sheepishly claim about white bearded god creating planet with a magic wand, doesn't mean that there isn't a valid intellectual argument about intelligence behind complexities of life as opposed to random chance.

First there is nothing random about evolution, mutations are random, but the selection process is anything but.

Can you explain to me the valid intellectual argument for this intelligence? Or point me in the direction of an intelligent argument for this?

for example, i've seen some very plausible in-depth scientific analysis to support evolution. But i've also seen some equally very plausible in-depth scientific analysis to point towards case of intelligent designer. I'm not claiming which one is more valid than the other, but i fully recognise that both sides of the argument have very valid claims backed up by science/logic etc.

Can you provide a source?

If you propose an Intelligent Designer to explain Complexity then you must explain this Intelligent Designer.

Anything capable of creating the universe would have to be far more complicated than the universe it created.. < This is the fundamental flaw with ID, it postulates something infinitely more complex to answer the problem of complexity.. It's Bunk..

Dribble

^^^ Nil, zero, zip, nada

Ados said...

barn said...

doggie said...

Woodo said...

Worship or Believe in whatever you like. It's your life. Do what you want.
Just don't push your****** religion on anyone else! Simple really.

(.Y.)

Jeez mate you could have said that on the first page

(.).)

edit> dam it, three pages now!!

Would there be 2 billion Muslims if it wasn't pushed onto other people?

No, people who aren't raised into Islam rarely join it under their own motivation!

"No Bacon or Sex? Prayer 5 times a day? In Arabic? No thanks.. "

If people didn't push it upon gullible adolescents then there would be nobody knocking on Busters door on Sundays.. Simple really..

But thats not the case, so it must be held accountable, and the best way to do that is with laughter! The most powerful weapon available..

superlizard said...



even using terms such as "Rainbow Serpent" to me demonstrates one sidedness and not approaching ideas with open mind but just using opportunity to mock something. Just because most religions sheepishly claim about white bearded god creating planet with a magic wand, doesn't mean that there isn't a valid intellectual argument about intelligence behind complexities of life as opposed to random chance.

First there is nothing random about evolution, mutations are random, but the selection process is anything but.

Can you explain to me the valid intellectual argument for this intelligence? Or point me in the direction of an intelligent argument for this?

for example, i've seen some very plausible in-depth scientific analysis to support evolution. But i've also seen some equally very plausible in-depth scientific analysis to point towards case of intelligent designer. I'm not claiming which one is more valid than the other, but i fully recognise that both sides of the argument have very valid claims backed up by science/logic etc.

Can you provide a source?

If you propose an Intelligent Designer to explain Complexity then you must explain this Intelligent Designer.

Anything capable of creating the universe would have to be far more complicated than the universe it created.. < This is the fundamental flaw with ID, it postulates something infinitely more complex to answer the problem of complexity.. It's Bunk..

its a tough audience Barn !

I think that human beings are generally irrational beings. No point debating this stuff as the chances of someone seeing your view point is essentially nil.

Lol barn just likes to argue for the sake of it and loves to cut and paste and quote parts of other peoples posts to suit himself, sad life he has

doggie said...

Ados said...

barn said...

doggie said...

Woodo said...

Worship or Believe in whatever you like. It's your life. Do what you want.
Just don't push your****** religion on anyone else! Simple really.

(.Y.)

Jeez mate you could have said that on the first page

(.).)

edit> dam it, three pages now!!

Would there be 2 billion Muslims if it wasn't pushed onto other people?

No, people who aren't raised into Islam rarely join it under their own motivation!

"No Bacon or Sex? Prayer 5 times a day? In Arabic? No thanks.. "

If people didn't push it upon gullible adolescents then there would be nobody knocking on Busters door on Sundays.. Simple really..

But thats not the case, so it must be held accountable, and the best way to do that is with laughter! The most powerful weapon available..

superlizard said...



even using terms such as "Rainbow Serpent" to me demonstrates one sidedness and not approaching ideas with open mind but just using opportunity to mock something. Just because most religions sheepishly claim about white bearded god creating planet with a magic wand, doesn't mean that there isn't a valid intellectual argument about intelligence behind complexities of life as opposed to random chance.

First there is nothing random about evolution, mutations are random, but the selection process is anything but.

Can you explain to me the valid intellectual argument for this intelligence? Or point me in the direction of an intelligent argument for this?

for example, i've seen some very plausible in-depth scientific analysis to support evolution. But i've also seen some equally very plausible in-depth scientific analysis to point towards case of intelligent designer. I'm not claiming which one is more valid than the other, but i fully recognise that both sides of the argument have very valid claims backed up by science/logic etc.

Can you provide a source?

If you propose an Intelligent Designer to explain Complexity then you must explain this Intelligent Designer.

Anything capable of creating the universe would have to be far more complicated than the universe it created.. < This is the fundamental flaw with ID, it postulates something infinitely more complex to answer the problem of complexity.. It's Bunk..

its a tough audience Barn !

I think that human beings are generally irrational beings. No point debating this stuff as the chances of someone seeing your view point is essentially nil.

Lol barn just likes to argue for the sake of it and loves to cut and paste and quote parts of other peoples posts to suit himself, sad life he has

I cut and paste to prevent quoting 7 people at once and filling up the page..

barn said...
But the designer has to come from somewhere, and the only known process that a complex designer can arise naturally from uncomplicated origins is the process of Evolution.. The non-random survival of randomly varying replicators.
Note: The universe is not complex, it's just a sh!t load of Hydrogen and some Dark stuff..

Designer has to come from somewhere = dead end for creation theory

Hydrogen and Dark stuff has to come from somewhere = dead end for evolution theory

FlySurfer said...

barn said...
No, people who aren't raised into Islam rarely join it under their own motivation!

According to Guinness Book of World Records, Islam is the world's fastest-growing religion by number of conversions each year.

Would it really hurt you to check your facts before spewing your opinion all over these pages?

Would it really hurt to read my post?

I said rarely didn't I? People are hardly bangin down the local mosque trying to get in on the action..

No the large numbers of new Muslims are children who are unlucky enough to be born into it. It's the largest growing religion due to demographic reasons.

(It is interesting that 100,000 have converted in the UK in the last ten years, and 75% have been women.. Madness! www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women--islam-the-rise-and-rise-of-the-convert-6258015.html )

superlizard said...


Designer has to come from somewhere = dead end for creation theory

Hydrogen and Dark stuff has to come from somewhere = dead end for evolution theory

The fact we don't know where the Hydrogen came from should bother us as much as not knowing what causes Gravity..

Evolution is only an explanation for process that formed life on Earth, it's only 3billion years old. Anything before that and you are now talking Physics, no longer Biology..

Don't confuse Evolutionary Biology with the Big Bang.. That are kinda different.

pweedas said...

FlySurfer said...

barn said...
No, people who aren't raised into Islam rarely join it under their own motivation!

According to Guinness Book of World Records, Islam is the world's fastest-growing religion by number of conversions each year.

Would it really hurt you to check your facts before spewing your opinion all over these pages?

No. This thread is a Fact Free Zone!
It's a religious discussion and facts just get in the way of factless logic.

Thats why c&v likes this thread.

Barn will be knowen as c&v from now on [}:)]

barn said...
Who will I argue with now?

poor relative said...

barn said...
Who will I argue with now?

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