evlPanda said...
Drugs certainly can be harmful to a developing mind, which is why they should be legalised.

Someone said...

What?

Because for a teenager drugs are far easier to get than alcohol. Because they are illegal.

The latest research shown that after just few years of smoking weed IQ drops on average 8 points in comparison to control non smoking group.
Taking into account that they do start already from bottom low level that is a bit concerning observation.

Beaglebuddy said...

3. All that being said it may be time to legalize, They can only pour so much money into this problem with diminishing returns, time to try another tactic.

I would go even a bit farther ...
and legalize voluntary euthanasia already
even better return and saving for society...
(what addicts are doing is prolonged suicide anyway)

cisco said...
Read the Billion Dollar Crop. It was the invention of, and investment in, the cotton gin that caused the banning of hemp.

OK take note folks, this is the first and probably only time I'm gonna re-broadcast one of Cisco's opinions and wholeheartedly endorse it. Because I don't think it got enough attention first time round.

For those who can't be bothered watching, Head of DEA in late 1920's america has family ties/financial stake in DuPont chemicals, who have just invented nylon as alternative fabric to hemp or cotton. Big cotton also threatened by technological advances in harvesting both cotton and hemp, also growing moral panic about white chicks getting stoned and listening to jazz, all a euphemism essentially for white girls having sex with newly freed negroes, which was pretty unthinkable. DEA head sees a nice synergy, starts worldwide campaign to demonise weed, which was previously considered equal to tobacco. Hence original collectable 'demon weed' posters, pot becoming illegal worldwide, and various other side effects.

Regardless of it's relevance to today's weed, or today's laws, it's an interesting story of corruption and how it can still shape the world nearly 100 years later.

kiteboy dave said...

Chris6791 said...

Dave, for every pro-drug link or stat you post from google I am sure I can match, it's a game I can play very well. ...

...Usually the ones that advocate legalising cannabis are the ones that either smoke it or live in a bubble and are oblivious to what happens outside their front door every day....

Oh look in today's Sydney Morning Herald,
Victorian Australian Medical Association president, Stephen Parnis, Australian Federal Police commissioner, Mick Palmer, senator Richard Di Natale are all advocating legalisation of weed and Ecstasy.

I guess they smoke it or live in a bubble?

Your turn!

www.smh.com.au/healthcare/legal-use-of-cannabis-ecstasy-for-over-15s-backed-by-state-medical-body-20120909-25mhd.html

Not ignoring the Google challenge Kiteboy Dave, it's been a busy few days, plus I'm trying to figure out a respectful way of posting about any one of a number of drug-related suicides and attempted suicides I could tell you about so as to put a human perspective on the debate. Turns out I can't do it without taking this thread to places it doesn't need to go.

Chris6791 said...

Not ignoring the Google challenge Kiteboy Dave, it's been a busy few days, plus I'm trying to figure out a respectful way of posting about any one of a number of drug-related suicides and attempted suicides I could tell you about so as to put a human perspective on the debate. Turns out I can't do it without taking this thread to places it doesn't need to go.

So all your examples of how drugs have affected or killed people will prove that prohibition works? Because that's what we're talking about.

I think you assume way, way too much Macro.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias

Macroscien said...

evlPanda said...Did they actually have low IQs... of their intelligence: 79 ..?"[/i]

Assuming that on average weed smoker starts with 79 , by loosing the 8 there is only one critical point distinguishing him still from the monkey....
oo wait ,
there will be still tail to differentiate between this two

6 points in a lifetime, if you start before 18, less if you start after....

But what if I started at 110 iq, lose 8 no problem at all, I'm still smarter than over 60% of population, so smart people get the bong out and hook in.... Dumb people, wait till 18. Or did I miss the point..??

Be a good study to see what alcohol does....

The study Summary is below.

healthland.time.com/2012/08/28/does-weekly-marijuana-use-by-teens-really-cause-a-drop-in-iq/

I believe drug addiction is a health problem
Given current legislation drug addiction is at this point in time a legal problem.

Until drugs are, at the very least decriminalised health services cannot assess or provide for the problem adequately and there will always be criminals profiteering from someone else's family hell.

Does anybody seriousy believe drugs of any type are going to magically disappear through prohibition?

Prohibition was always destined to fail, It is only a matter of time before this is realised and a new approach is adopted.

legalisation or decriminalisation cannot possibly worsen the issue because the worst case scenario allready exists. Drugs are freely available and relatively cheap.

Why would a teenager go to a party and spend $100+ on alcahol when they can pop a party pill for $30 and enjoy a more stimulating euphoric effect? If they take a toxic "bad" pill manufactured in a filthy drug lab and keel over and die then that is a direct consequence of drug laws. Rarely the MDMA itself.

Evidence exists that humans have been using drugs in various forms for at least 4500 years yet is is difficult to find examples of social problems caused by this before prohibition. Except perhaps the British attempt to enslave the Chinese with opium addiction in the 19th century.

The true irony for me is now the body count from prescription drug abuse exceeds that of illicit drugs world wide.articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/26/prescription-drugs-number-one-cause-preventable-death-in-us.aspx

Its time to group all these substances together and deal with the health issues with a sophisticated strategy. Imagine the recources that could be dedicated to this with the liberation of the recources wasted on prohibition. It really is head in the sand stuff.

I could be delusional but I still believe that the best weapon in the fight with addiction is education.
Get this example with rotten cancer of the cigarette pack.
It works.
Get kindergarten kids or primary sometimes on school trip.
Instead to the Zoo as usual go to local prison to see other wild animals behind the bars then to psychiatric hospital to see where excess of imaginations ends up.

That's why I'm addicted to this forum. It's just retards calling retards retards.
/Yes, I'm a retard too, I know.