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laceys lane
laceys lane
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19 Aug 2011 6:14pm
barn said...

laceys lane said...


if you are souless, well good luck to you



Please define what you mean by 'soul', this thing that distinguishes us from those ravaging wild beasts..




gee thats a hard one, why do we listen to music, why do we give and donate time to people we don't know, why do we cry, we do we go and get drunk, we do we care about a planet and mankind when it will last our days, why do we have compassion for caged chimps.

i can't bottle and tag it unfortunately
Woodo
Woodo
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19 Aug 2011 4:19pm
Just let your soouuullll glow!
(insert picture of manicured afro here)
barn
barn
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19 Aug 2011 4:36pm
laceys lane said...

barn said...

laceys lane said...


if you are souless, well good luck to you



Please define what you mean by 'soul', this thing that distinguishes us from those ravaging wild beasts..




gee thats a hard one, why do we listen to music, why do we give and donate time to people we don't know to the needy, why do we cry, we do we go and get drunk, we do we care about a planet and mankind when it will last our days, why do we have compassion for caged chimps.

i can't bottle and tag it unfortunately


Well if thats what you define soul then fine, I wouldn't imagine anybody would deny having that.. But then we can't deny animals don't have this definition of a soul either.. Cats are curious, Dogs are loyal, Dogs get upset, lonely, frightened, defensive. Chimps display all the same emotions as humans, emotions don't separate us from other animals.. So this isn't a strong argument for holding Humans as above all animals..

But the most common definition of a soul is this..
From my Macs dictionary;
Soul- the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.


This definition is the one used when most people talk about a soul, and it's why I inferred 'your God', which was a calculated guess..

boofy
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19 Aug 2011 7:00pm
laceys lane said...

boofy said...

laceys lane said...

what are you guys- robots!!!!..
are you telling me you've never been emotionally moved by anything.

why don't you slip next door and kill your neighbour and rape his wife,is it only the law that stops you or do you have some morals- where does that come from?

thats the difference between animals and humans

you have it in you whether you like it or not



Lacey watch the news tonight mate you will see man killing man, rape, pedophilia bashings are you walking around with blinkers on. The statement you made about murder and rape on a public forum show where your morals lie totally uncalled for. I believe I have got good morals from my upbringing nothing to do with soul and spirit



if you have no soul well good luck to you

tell me, why did you feel the need to post on the bad things you did post



I would like to have a soul explain to me why having a soul makes you different to everyone else. I have a lot of friends and I couldnt tell you which ones have souls and which ones dont, Do you stick your finger up your butt and feel for it ?

I posted on the bad things for the sake of the constructive argument.
ADS
ADS
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19 Aug 2011 5:03pm
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SomeOtherGuy
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19 Aug 2011 7:43pm
laceys lane said...

i'm sorry, i don't get people getting worked up about chickens when there are so many tragedies happening to our fellow man


Wow, bet you're starting to regret saying that, eh?

For what it's worth, my answer to your question is that I think most of us can walk and talk at the same time. No reason we can't get worked up about both chickens and fellow man.
laceys lane
laceys lane
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19 Aug 2011 7:45pm
barn said...

laceys lane said...

barn said...

laceys lane said...


if you are souless, well good luck to you



Please define what you mean by 'soul', this thing that distinguishes us from those ravaging wild beasts..




gee thats a hard one, why do we listen to music, why do we give and donate time to people we don't know to the needy, why do we cry, we do we go and get drunk, we do we care about a planet and mankind when it will last our days, why do we have compassion for caged chimps.

i can't bottle and tag it unfortunately


Well if thats what you define soul then fine, I wouldn't imagine anybody would deny having that.. But then we can't deny animals don't have this definition of a soul either.. Cats are curious, Dogs are loyal, Dogs get upset, lonely, frightened, defensive. Chimps display all the same emotions as humans, emotions don't separate us from other animals.. So this isn't a strong argument for holding Humans as above all animals..

But the most common definition of a soul is this..
From my Macs dictionary;
Soul- the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.


This definition is the one used when most people talk about a soul, and it's why I inferred 'your God', which was a calculated guess..




agree, animals have soul. but do they feel guilt, will they look at a sunset and feel good about it, do they dance to music, do they strive for happiness.

its all very interesting. i still believe humans have a higher ground regarding these matters.

this made me think back to one time when our dogs took off to the creek when we were at work. we called and called them and we guessed they were there. they knew they weren't allow. we spotted them 500 ms up sneaking across, we watched them as they went right around and came in from the opposite side- trying to make out they hadn't been there. funny as
japie
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20 Aug 2011 2:19pm
barn said...

japie said...

slainte said...

If its on the Interweb it must be true


A bit of sceptitism is good, but this is a country whose president defended torture.


If a man had kidnapped your family, and attached a A-bomb to them which had a deactivation password that only he knew, and he refused to tell anybody.. At what point do you stop asking for the password nicely and reach for the thumb screws???




And your point is?

I guess what you are saying is that George Bush did the right thing in condoning torture ?

If you believe that then you are a fool because the president of the United States swears on oath very publicly to uphold the constitution. Giving anyone the power to usurp the law is the first step toward fascism and is the very reason why the founding fathers put so much thought into the constitution.

See they learned from history. Having founded the first true republic in the modern era with the benefit of escaping European repression they understood and valued the freedom they had attained.

They must be turning in their graves

Ados
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421 posts
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20 Aug 2011 2:32pm
laceys lane said...

what are you guys- robots!!!!..
are you telling me you've never been emotionally moved by anything.

why don't you slip next door and kill your neighbour and rape his wife,is it only the law that stops you or do you have some morals- where does that come from?

thats the difference between animals and humans

you have it in you whether you like it or not




Morals aren't something that we are born with. they are taught by our parents and shaped by our environment and society. A perfect example is how sex offenders have often been abused themselves. same goes for domestic violence.
If you argue that we are born with our morals, then you have to accept that Hitler was evil before he was born. I am sure Hitler enjoyed sunsets, happiness and his love for his dog is well documented. So you would have to accept that Hitler had a soul too. Surely then, if Hilter was already evil at birth, surely he cannot be blamed for the very horrible things that he instigated and ordered.



laceys lane
laceys lane
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20 Aug 2011 5:30pm
Ados said...

laceys lane said...

what are you guys- robots!!!!..
are you telling me you've never been emotionally moved by anything.

why don't you slip next door and kill your neighbour and rape his wife,is it only the law that stops you or do you have some morals- where does that come from?

thats the difference between animals and humans

you have it in you whether you like it or not




Morals aren't something that we are born with. they are taught by our parents and shaped by our environment and society. A perfect example is how sex offenders have often been abused themselves. same goes for domestic violence.
If you argue that we are born with our morals, then you have to accept that Hitler was evil before he was born. I am sure Hitler enjoyed sunsets, happiness and his love for his dog is well documented. So you would have to accept that Hitler had a soul too. Surely then, if Hilter was already evil at birth, surely he cannot be blamed for the very horrible things that he instigated and ordered.






yes, i believe morals are taught.when you have a decision to make your head tells you something, then there times when you have a 'gut' feeling about it, even thou your head tells you different- so whats that 'gut' feeling?

hitler was influenced by his surroundings, i hope i didn't imply all 'souls' are pure as driven snow.

boofy
boofy
NSW
2110 posts
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20 Aug 2011 6:00pm
Ados said...

laceys lane said...

what are you guys- robots!!!!..
are you telling me you've never been emotionally moved by anything.

why don't you slip next door and kill your neighbour and rape his wife,is it only the law that stops you or do you have some morals- where does that come from?

thats the difference between animals and humans

you have it in you whether you like it or not




Morals aren't something that we are born with. they are taught by our parents and shaped by our environment and society. A perfect example is how sex offenders have often been abused themselves. same goes for domestic violence.
If you argue that we are born with our morals, then you have to accept that Hitler was evil before he was born. I am sure Hitler enjoyed sunsets, happiness and his love for his dog is well documented. So you would have to accept that Hitler had a soul too. Surely then, if Hilter was already evil at birth, surely he cannot be blamed for the very horrible things that he instigated and ordered.





I agree Ados morals are a reflection of our upbringing. We act on instinct and our level of intelligence and whatever levels of chemicals are in our brains controlling our behavior.
You have to look at mankind itself and not at a personal level look at the overflowing jails, the wars, the never ending line of holy spirit carrying soul filled priests being caught for pedophilia.
We have evolved into an intelligent organism capable of controlling the environment for a little while.
The same way some bacteria have evolved to fight off antibiotics. We will soon be superbugs and kill everything

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