Debate?
'Planet of the Apes' Depiction of Lab Animals 'Disturbingly Accurate'



The United States is the last country in the world that permits large-scale chimpanzee experiments because they are expensive and ineffective.

If its on the Interweb it must be true

slainte said...

If its on the Interweb it must be true

A bit of sceptitism is good, but this is a country whose president defended torture.

japie said...

slainte said...

If its on the Interweb it must be true

A bit of sceptitism is good, but this is a country whose president defended torture.

If a man had kidnapped your family, and attached a A-bomb to them which had a deactivation password that only he knew, and he refused to tell anybody.. At what point do you stop asking for the password nicely and reach for the thumb screws???

The point is we are an organism like any other living thing on earth we live in an anthropocentric world where man sees himself as the most important being. We have reached a world population of 7 billion the world can sustain roughly 2 billion.
Every year millions of organisms whether they be man, wildebeest, frog, fish die from famine drought etc its just that we think we are more important than everything else that we see its a problem.
We are the cane toads of the planet.

barn said...

You hear the argument all the time when a topic such as the plight of the Gorillas in Africa is raised.. And somebody pops up and says;

"why should we care about Gorillas when there is so many Africans dying"

Well, Gorillas are our cousins, and they are almost extinct. Genetically, a Gorilla is move valuable than a Human.. And anyway, it's simple population dynamics, there will always be starving Africans.. Should we just ignore all animal rights then?

'Who cares about testing chemicals on Chimps, there are starving AFricans..

Who cares about protecting the environment, there are Africans STARVING..

Who cares about Halal slaughter, there are AFRICANS starving..

Of course, starving Africans are more important because they have Souls, and stupid monkeys don't

i dont care. i am starving!!!

laceys lane said...


see the difference, man has soul and spirit

hahaha but I don't see that as any difference..

Souls and spirits are as none existant as The Force.. They aren't part of the equation.. This is why you can't let Xians into rational discussion about the treatment of animals..

Human - No soul

Chimp - No soul

Human - Intelligent (we like to think so)

Chimp - Intelligent

Human - Ape

Chimp - Ape

laceys lane said...


see the difference, man has soul and spirit

Really can you prove that either way? Have or have not?
Heat your lentils, there is kids starving in Africa! My mum used to tell me when I was a kid..... Once I replied....... send the disgusting thing to them then! Got a clip behind the ears from my dad!

what are you guys- robots!!!!..
are you telling me you've never been emotionally moved by anything.

why don't you slip next door and kill your neighbour and rape his wife,is it only the law that stops you or do you have some morals- where does that come from?

thats the difference between animals and humans

you have it in you whether you like it or not

boofy said...

The point is we are an organism like any other living thing on earth we live in an anthropocentric world where man sees himself as the most important being. We have reached a world population of 7 billion the world can sustain roughly 2 billion.
Every year millions of organisms whether they be man, wildebeest, frog, fish die from famine drought etc its just that we think we are more important than everything else that we see its a problem.
We are the cane toads of the planet.

I don't see any wildebeest, frog of fish donating time or money to anything.

The more I know humans the more I like my pets!

My pets donate me unconditional love...... I wish I could say the same about my wife!

teatrea said...

laceys lane said...

teatrea said...

Animals have the same base emotions we have , fear , sadness , anger , joy ect. The difference being we are a more evolved animal , well some of us anyway.

true.
do animals regret, ie if you blast a dog of doing something wrong, it doesn't know that, no, it only knows your angry. you have to train a certain behaviour to the dog

actually, i really would like to know if a ape/chimp etc has the capacity for regret?

i think we underestimate the intelligence of animals , elephants show emotion by actually morning their dead its almost ritual , my dog definetly feels regret when i kick it in the assOnly Joking RSPCA.**** i think my cats smarter than me

My cats trained me to feed them!

evlPanda said...

boofy said...

The point is we are an organism like any other living thing on earth we live in an anthropocentric world where man sees himself as the most important being. We have reached a world population of 7 billion the world can sustain roughly 2 billion.
Every year millions of organisms whether they be man, wildebeest, frog, fish die from famine drought etc its just that we think we are more important than everything else that we see its a problem.
We are the cane toads of the planet.

I don't see any wildebeest, frog of fish donating time or money to anything.

Dont know what your trying to say here panda you should be worried your more endangered than any of them

laceys lane said...

what are you guys- robots!!!!..

Yes, we are Robots, we are Robots for our Gene's survival.. And our Genes give us a predisposed alturism.. A tiger is a biological robot to make more tigers- self replicating DNAy-ay-ay-ay-ay..

are you telling me you've never been emotionally moved by anything.

Who said that? all anybody has said is there is no such thing as Souls or Spirits.. We are perfectly capable of feeling the full spectrum of emotions without some fanciful supernatural entity inhabiting our carbon based physical body..

why don't you slip next door and kill your neighbour and rape his wife,is it only the law that stops you or do you have some morals- where does that come from?

We don't slip next door and kill everybody, simply because thats a stupid thing to do.. Like I said above, we are naturally altruistic to others, it's inbuilt into our genes..

Why do Xians alway bring up raping their neighbour wife? It's kinda weird..

If your God was not watching for a day, would you be inclined to rape your neighbor??? just because you knew you could get away with it?? Is your God all thats stopping you from fulfilling this fantasy? Do you think he knows?

thats the difference between animals and humans

you have it in you whether you like it or not

Most animals don't rape or murder their neighbors, many animals live in Social groups, where favors are common and alturism is commonplace.. This helps all parties, and helps genes survive into another generation...

boofy said...

laceys lane said...

what are you guys- robots!!!!..
are you telling me you've never been emotionally moved by anything.

why don't you slip next door and kill your neighbour and rape his wife,is it only the law that stops you or do you have some morals- where does that come from?

thats the difference between animals and humans

you have it in you whether you like it or not

Lacey watch the news tonight mate you will see man killing man, rape, pedophilia bashings are you walking around with blinkers on. The statement you made about murder and rape on a public forum show where your morals lie totally uncalled for. I believe I have got good morals from my upbringing nothing to do with soul and spirit

if you are souless, well good luck to you

laceys lane said...


if you are souless, well good luck to you

Please define what you mean by 'soul', this thing that distinguishes us from those ravaging wild beasts.. And also stops us Raping everybody out here..

Hide yo kids, hide yo wife..