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Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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16 Sep 2011 9:54am
Thanks Chris, must have been too hard to look at a map

So just who is running goats as a commerical enterprise in the marine park again?
Do they have boats? Do the goats swim? Is the Sudanese goat fk'er involved?
Are they farming goats in the Cape Range National Park and DEC is covering it up?
So many questions
felixdcat
felixdcat
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16 Sep 2011 10:07am
The Sudanese goat f'ker is running the pastoral lease and turned into a panty wetties snuffer.... that what I understood off the whole saga!
boofy
boofy
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16 Sep 2011 12:22pm
I think the sudanese fella has got it sussed, he has married the goat she will inevitably get fat no divorce he can just eat her. they will be an easy to spot couple when they get to Christmas Island
jbshack
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16 Sep 2011 11:59am
Mark _australia said...

Thanks Chris, must have been too hard to look at a map

So just who is running goats as a commerical enterprise in the marine park again?
Do they have boats? Do the goats swim? Is the Sudanese goat fk'er involved?
Are they farming goats in the Cape Range National Park and DEC is covering it up?
So many questions


Could be another boat/goat problem for Julia to deal with..I wonder how she will brake the back of the goat smugglers? Send them to Malaysia?
Leprechaun
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16 Sep 2011 5:33pm
Chris6791 said...

Leprechaun said...

Chris6791 said...

Unless the goats have figured out how to munch on coral at low tide goats have nothing to do with the Ningaloo Marine Park.

Cape Range National Park is just that, National Park, no pastoral leases in there that I am aware of.

Gnarraloo Bay is part of the Ningaloo Marine Park, but I'm guessing above the high tide mark is all pastoral lease?

The Ningaloo Coast World Heritage area boundary excludes all areas under pastoral lease


Ok I have listed the negative reasons for stopping the farming of rangeland/ feral goats within the boundary of Ningaloo Marine Park . Can you or anyone else following this thread put forward in point form the benefits of farming goats within a world heritage listed marine park ?

Get your facts straight my man ! The only areas that are unfortunately excluded from World Heritage are the special tourism leases and Coral Bay







Please learn to quote properly instead of burying your reply within my post.

The original proposal put forward to the World Heritage mob included I think 2 kilometres inland along the entire west coast, taking in all the prime tourism land on the pastoral leases. This never got through, the only land included is the Cape Range National Park, the DTA and a few small other areas of coastal/regional park.

Unless of course they have changed the boundaries by stealth after it was listed and not told anyone?

http://environment.gov.au/heritage/places/world/ningaloo/pubs/ningaloo_coast_map.pdf


poor relative
poor relative
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16 Sep 2011 5:44pm
LOL

If you are going to troll, then learn to fkn quote its not even as complex as feral goats eating bushes.
doggie
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16 Sep 2011 5:51pm
jbshack said...

Mark _australia said...

Thanks Chris, must have been too hard to look at a map

So just who is running goats as a commerical enterprise in the marine park again?
Do they have boats? Do the goats swim? Is the Sudanese goat fk'er involved?
Are they farming goats in the Cape Range National Park and DEC is covering it up?
So many questions


Could be another boat/goat problem for Julia to deal with..I wonder how she will brake the back of the goat smugglers? Send them to Malaysia?


Send em to my place and I will eat them, goat is better than chicken
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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16 Sep 2011 6:02pm
poor relative said...

LOL

If you are going to troll, then learn to fkn quote its not even as complex as feral goats eating bushes.



I dunno. Eating bush really is an art.

Leprechaun
Leprechaun
WA
92 posts
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16 Sep 2011 6:32pm
jbshack said...

Mark _australia said...

Thanks Chris, must have been too hard to look at a map

So just who is running goats as a commerical enterprise in the marine park again?
Do they have boats? Do the goats swim? Is the Sudanese goat fk'er involved?
Are they farming goats in the Cape Range National Park and DEC is covering it up?
So many questions


Could be another boat/goat problem for Julia to deal with..I wonder how she will brake the back of the goat smugglers? Send them to Malaysia?


Wow ....... Why would you waste your time or is it supposed to be comedy tainted with sarcasm. Think before you press submit post .... Rubbish
MIKO
MIKO
QLD
408 posts
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16 Sep 2011 8:47pm
i can see a fit with the whole Marriage, Goat , boat people problem, cant anyone else ?
Leprechaun
Leprechaun
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16 Sep 2011 6:55pm
Chris6791 said...

Leprechaun said...

Chris6791 said...

Unless the goats have figured out how to munch on coral at low tide goats have nothing to do with the Ningaloo Marine Park.

Cape Range National Park is just that, National Park, no pastoral leases in there that I am aware of.

Gnarraloo Bay is part of the Ningaloo Marine Park, but I'm guessing above the high tide mark is all pastoral lease?

The Ningaloo Coast World Heritage area boundary excludes all areas under pastoral lease.



Chris read my posts, absorb the content . I'm not sure if your a fence sitter ,a troll or someone with an appendage smack in the middle of his forehead . Please EXPLAIN ?

Get your facts straight my man ! The only areas that are unfortunately excluded from World Heritage are the special tourism leases and Coral Bay







Please learn to quote properly instead of burying your reply within my post.

The original proposal put forward to the World Heritage mob included I think 2 kilometres inland along the entire west coast, taking in all the prime tourism land on the pastoral leases. This never got through, the only land included is the Cape Range National Park, the DTA and a few small other areas of coastal/regional park.

Unless of course they have changed the boundaries by stealth after it was listed and not told anyone?

http://environment.gov.au/heritage/places/world/ningaloo/pubs/ningaloo_coast_map.pdf


poor relative
poor relative
WA
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16 Sep 2011 7:00pm
Why don't you take your goat beef up with the relevant leaseholders, DEC and others who can do something.
Posting on seabreeze like a retard will probably get you more piss takes than anything else.

Oh i almost congratulated you on the quotes thing. but sadly you failed again.
Also consider an avatar, they add character to your ananonimity
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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16 Sep 2011 7:03pm
It is easier to have a sook here, incorrectly claim the pastoral leases are "marine park" and complain that the lawful lessee of the property doesn't like people illegally camping at Turtles

Chris6791
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17 Sep 2011 9:01am
Not a fence sitter lePrechaun. If the goats, horses, camels, foxes, rabbits, wild dogs or euros in wicked vans are out there ruining the land through over-grazing or poor management practices on the pastoral leases adjacent to the ningaloo world heritage area then you have my support.

But your first few posts on seabreeze allege a problem that doesnt exist. The world heritage area at ningaloo does not, I say again, does not include areas of Pastoral lease. Even when I provide links to a map you still sick your head in the sand and insist it does. Provide us with some evidence to support your case and I will happily eat a serve of humble pie and admit I was wrong but I think you are going to have trouble finding evidence of a goats destroying ningaloo coral and sea grass beds.

Many of the guys here are quite passionate about preservation of the coastline and adjacent land especially the Places mentioned in this thread and you would get lots of support if you presented a sound case that didn't make you look like a tool the moment your first post popped up.
jbshack
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19 Sep 2011 11:11am
Leprechaun said...

jbshack said...

Mark _australia said...

Thanks Chris, must have been too hard to look at a map

So just who is running goats as a commerical enterprise in the marine park again?
Do they have boats? Do the goats swim? Is the Sudanese goat fk'er involved?
Are they farming goats in the Cape Range National Park and DEC is covering it up?
So many questions


Could be another boat/goat problem for Julia to deal with..I wonder how she will brake the back of the goat smugglers? Send them to Malaysia?


Wow ....... Why would you waste your time or is it supposed to be comedy tainted with sarcasm. Think before you press submit post .... Rubbish



Becuase it made me laugh.. Thats why i'm here..
TurtleHunter
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19 Sep 2011 6:24pm


no big conspiracy here.
Yes Leprechaun live stock is detrimental to the coastline nobody will disagree there.
But like Chris said the stations are not in the final world heritage listing
They are also not in the marine park or the national park.
The marine park covers the water not the land and the national park spends probably millions on eradicating pests of which the goats are included. If you new the amount that goes into removing them you would realize no station would have the money to even come close. As far as I know the stations just ship out whatever they catch. As for the millions spent by tourists visiting the area what a load of crap it doesn't even cover an environmental scientists wage let alone the time they spend keeping everyone off the dune grass.
subasurf
subasurf
WA
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19 Sep 2011 6:30pm
Well said mate.
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So what's the consensus...will I be looked upon poorly if I bag myself a goat next time I'm up there?
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
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19 Sep 2011 8:20pm
subasurf said...

Well said mate.
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So what's the consensus...will I be looked upon poorly if I bag myself a goat next time I'm up there?


yeah unfortunately you can't go into a national park with a gun and help them out and the stations don't want everyone carrying guns as there will always be a few that just take pot shots at anything that moves including there stock( and goats are still an income that allows them to run a station).
But if you find a goat swimming around the marine park I say go for it.
subasurf
subasurf
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19 Sep 2011 9:44pm
I wouldn't need a gun to bag a goat. Sorry, probably should have mentioned that. Can easily catch them by hand and do the dirty work with a knife
Agent000
Agent000
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19 Sep 2011 10:06pm
hey Turtle hunter
quote
"As for the millions spent by tourists visiting the area what a load of crap it doesn't even cover an environmental scientists wage"
end quote

while I agree with most of what you said, do the maths on the above
(visitors a day x daily fee) then let me know where I can get one of those environmental jobs
as far as I know you can pay an environmental scientist by collecting aluminium cans

Ados
Ados
WA
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20 Sep 2011 12:27am
subasurf said...

I wouldn't need a gun to bag a goat. Sorry, probably should have mentioned that. Can easily catch them by hand and do the dirty work with a knife


you must be a fast runner
GBoss
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20 Sep 2011 5:29am
Ados said...

subasurf said...

I wouldn't need a gun to bag a goat. Sorry, probably should have mentioned that. Can easily catch them by hand and do the dirty work with a knife


you must be a fast runner



He better be if he is caught killing anything other than Leprechauns on Gnaraloo

subasurf
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20 Sep 2011 8:17am
Ados said...

subasurf said...

I wouldn't need a gun to bag a goat. Sorry, probably should have mentioned that. Can easily catch them by hand and do the dirty work with a knife


you must be a fast runner



They come to you...then it's up and under with a knife
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
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20 Sep 2011 10:10am
Agent000 said...

hey Turtle hunter
quote
"As for the millions spent by tourists visiting the area what a load of crap it doesn't even cover an environmental scientists wage"
end quote

while I agree with most of what you said, do the maths on the above
(visitors a day x daily fee) then let me know where I can get one of those environmental jobs
as far as I know you can pay an environmental scientist by collecting aluminium cans



okay maybe a bit of an exaggeration there but most stations are like $5/night/person where caravan parks that don't need to look after a whole station are more like $25 plus. I understand gnaraloo is up there but they have gone out and made tourism there business with the added costs of environmental scientists and turtle monitoring etc. The other stations though are still driving crappy old cars and running the whole property on there own. Not sure whats better as they all have to prove to the gov they are sustainable and can do the job of looking after the coast. If you look at the cost of running cape range national park (again not sure but they are one of the biggest employers here) the stations are run incredibly efficient.
Agent000
Agent000
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20 Sep 2011 10:19am
I am with you there Turtlehunter, I mean I am no lover of goats but the last thing I want to see in the north west is more DEC camp ground franchises (ban the copper log)
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