Now that from Red Bluff to Exmouth is World Heritage listed what is going to happen with the terrestrial side of the park? As of now the holders of pastrol lease 's within the park run the land in accordance with the terms and conditions of a pastoral lease . This must stop . Now that feral goats are worth money , irresponsible land managers are running way too many vermin on crown land . If a feral goat is given access to water and it's population controlled it becomes
managed. Goats Herders turn land into deserts. This coastline is too fragile to handle introduced goats .In 1976 goats were declared vermin for a very good reason, they are so destructive because 80percent of their diet is browsed which means the native shrubs cop it . The people that are letting this happen are protected by a recent change to legislation , a legislation that must be changed .Running declared vermin in World Hertage listed Marine Park is not on .

Maybe it would be a good idea to World Heritage List the whole world and declare humans to be vermin that should be eradicated.

Contact the (fheads)dep Department of environmental protection.. http://www.dec.wa.gov.au/content/view/6640/1812/

My guess is the goats and other ferral animals will be protected..
T

You cant do NOTHING to prevent the vermin

Warning.. Do not take firearms into a "world heritage listed park" You will be prosecuted.
Let the bureaucrats take care of there incompetence.

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Your just starting to touch on problems that have been so called " IMPLEMENTED " by the DEP

Im sympathetic about your cause but i spent alot of money and time dealing with this department of incompetence without resolve.
"goodluck "

busterwa said...

Contact the (fheads)dep Department of environmental protection.. http://www.dec.wa.gov.au/content/view/6640/1812/

My guess is the goats and other ferral animals will be protected..
T

You cant do NOTHING to prevent the vermin

Warning.. Do not take firearms into a "world heritage listed park" You will be prosecuted.
Let the bureaucrats take care of there incompetence.

Unfortunately the fheads as you refer to the DEC have no jurisdiction over a pastoral lease . These goat herders are only answerable to the state lands dept and the pastoral board which are pretty much the same dept. It would seem that they hold the best interests of these irresponsible lease holders before the best interests of the environment .Before the change of state government the coastal strip up to 2 km was to be taken off the pastrolists and managed by the DEC the same way cape range national park is managed. If this would have come into fruition camping would still be allowed at a nominal price and not run by greedy pastrolists that overcharge and give nothing back to the environment.

MIKO said...

shoot em and eat them they are tasty

Lets form a possie and get dem goats

So if your in a rental property does that give me the right to go and camp and tell you you have 1 to many cats or dogs?
Why must it stop? because of a few goats you want to go into someones lease and tell them how to run it and camp there?

Go and camp on someones gold lease and tell them what they can and cant do and how to run it.

They have the lease you should respect that.

Torch said...

Leppa

In this post your saying how the goats are destroying the land
but in another one of your posts your saying its ok to camp outside the camp grounds effectively destroying the land...i'm confused

Dont feed trolls

busterwa said...

So if your in a rental property does that give me the right to go and camp and tell you you have 1 to many cats or dogs?
Why must it stop? because of a few goats you want to go into someones lease and tell them how to run it and camp there?

Go and camp on someones gold lease and tell them what they can and cant do and how to run it.

They have the lease you should respect that.

I think you have misunderstood or have a problem with comprehension. I was not condoning camping in undesignated areas , I know people do the wrong thing by leaving rubbish etc , driving over vegetation . My point is does this give the leaseholder the right to steal the boys wetsuits?.

Legion said...

He probably thought it was rubbish left behind after their unauthorised camping trip.

From the back of their 4wd ?

Leprechaun said...

Legion said...

He probably thought it was rubbish left behind after their unauthorised camping trip.

From the back of their 4wd ?

He probably thought it was rubbish left behind after their unauthorised camping trip.

Leprechaun said...

doggie said...

Torch said...

Leppa

In this post your saying how the goats are destroying the land
but in another one of your posts your saying its ok to camp outside the camp grounds effectively destroying the land...i'm confused

Dont feed trolls

the boys were having a sleepover to hit it early before all of the Gnarloser crew turned up . Only a surfer could understand .

I am.

busterwa said...

Leprechaun said...

busterwa said...

Contact the (fheads)dep Department of environmental protection.. http://www.dec.wa.gov.au/content/view/6640/1812/

My guess is the goats and other ferral animals will be protected..
T

You cant do NOTHING to prevent the vermin

Warning.. Do not take firearms into a "world heritage listed park" You will be prosecuted.
Let the bureaucrats take care of there incompetence.

Busta how come your getting all underlining and putting words in block italic's , it's kind of scary and domineering . My first day to visit this site with some preamble for the future , BInGO a hornets nest.

Unfortunately the fheads as you refer to the DEC have no jurisdiction over a pastoral lease . These goat herders are only answerable to the state lands dept and the pastoral board which are pretty much the same dept. It would seem that they hold the best interests of these irresponsible lease holders before the best interests of the environment .Before the change of state government the coastal strip up to 2 km was to be taken off the pastrolists and managed by the DEC the same way cape range national park is managed. If this would have come into fruition camping would still be allowed at a nominal price and not run by greedy pastrolists that overcharge and give nothing back to the environment.

barn said...

Chris6791 said...

Probably too busy enjoying all the fish, sharks, whales, turtles and manta rays to worry about a few goats munching On some spinifex.

Just because it looks like a desert to the layman, does not mean it is not a thriving ecosystem under threat from overgrazing.. I'm not familiar with the exact flora in the region but WA has some of the most specalised and endemic plant diversity in the world.. It's not to be scoffed at.

florabase.dpaw.wa.gov.au/

Not scoffing at it Barn, but if Leprechaun is going to be passionate about his goats in the Ningaloo World Heritage Area he should check where the NWHA actually covers, it only took a few minutes to see what is where with a quick google search.

If his beef is with feral goats why is it only with one or two stations? there are at least half a dozen pastoral leases adjacent to the NWHA that most likely have feral goat populations, not counting the hundreds of other pastoral leases in WA?

Having personally seen the damage the feral horses have caused around Lake Gregory I think that is a bigger issue, but no-one wants to be responsible for giving the green light to culling them.

Are you a sudanese Leprechaun?

Leprechaun said...

barn said...

Any herbivore without steady predation will consume its environment.. Humans are unable to provide steady predation anymore, and we killed all the wild predators..

In a few million years the native foxes and cats will speciate and some will evolve to a size big enough to hunt goats.. Nature will restore the balance..

In that few million years of natural slection ( Darwinism) ? The flora will suffer greatly while nature waits for a predator to keep the balance , if we accept feral goats as natives
. If your interested the report from the ag dept to the pastoral board 2009/2010 is very damning of the practices of the lease holders of Ningaloo station . They have been running goats up there and it's been overgrazed with feral or rangeland goats depending on who you are talking too ,the place has been hammered. I hope this is not the future for the rest of Ningaloo Marine Park. I think that these coastal squatters now see the tourist as a sheep and run goats as a low maintenance cash crop just to maintain and reap the benefits behind

the facade they are people of the land .

i wouldnt worry. in a few million years the plants will eat the goats.

Leprechaun said...

Chris6791 said...

Unless the goats have figured out how to munch on coral at low tide goats have nothing to do with the Ningaloo Marine Park.

Cape Range National Park is just that, National Park, no pastoral leases in there that I am aware of.

Gnarraloo Bay is part of the Ningaloo Marine Park, but I'm guessing above the high tide mark is all pastoral lease?

The Ningaloo Coast World Heritage area boundary excludes all areas under pastoral lease.

Get your facts straight my man ! The only areas that are unfortunately excluded from World Heritage are the special tourism leases and Coral Bay

Please learn to quote properly instead of burying your reply within my post.

The original proposal put forward to the World Heritage mob included I think 2 kilometres inland along the entire west coast, taking in all the prime tourism land on the pastoral leases. This never got through, the only land included is the Cape Range National Park, the DTA and a few small other areas of coastal/regional park.

Unless of course they have changed the boundaries by stealth after it was listed and not told anyone?

http://environment.gov.au/heritage/places/world/ningaloo/pubs/ningaloo_coast_map.pdf