Why?

Seems to have affected the Ruddster, his no meat diet has forced him to make girls cry

Those aged 20 years and older are required about 2 micro grams of B12 a day.
A bowl of breakfast cereal (fortified) contains 6.0 micro grams of B12,
One cup of yogurt has about 1.4 micro grams of B12 and roughly 13 grams of protien,
A cup of milk has about 1 micro gram and an egg has about 0.6 micro grams of B12.
There is also plenty of B vits in milo, marmite and vegemite.
You dont have to eat meat to be healthy.
Decrepit and many others are perfect examples of this.
And as for iron intake there are also plenty in green vegies

I've always maintained that if God had meant us to eat meat, he would have provided suitable teeth for the job.

Someone recently pointed out that he gave us bumholes, but that doesn't mean he meant us to be gay..

I am under the impression that the latest scientific evidence points towards the fact that eating meat was one of the main factors that changed the way our brain evolved, making humans more 'human' and less ape like.
Sure does point to the fact that some footballers and a few people I have met when working in nightclubs, should eat more meat!

So what motivates you to not eat meat?

Another thought..

Are there any smokers who are voluntarily vegetarian?

It's as easy to eat meat as it is to have another smoke, (and probably equally difficult to quit) so I just wondered if there was any correlation between the two in terms of determination and self control.

I can understand that some people think eating parts of animals is as disgusting as I think being a smoker is, so the two things are not entirely dissimilar.

I eat meat...but then, I eat pretty much anything......and way too much of everything!

As for the initial argument, I don't believe it's necessary for the survival of the human race to eat meat, but more a hereditory condition, and in fact by not eating meat, we wouldn't be farming cows/pigs/sheep, therefore less methane emissions...and in turn we'd have to farm much more fruit & veg...decreasing carbon dioxide levels...resulting in sustainable agrigulture and improving our ecosystem. Which would maintain our survival, as well as other living creatures on this planet.

hmmm...maybe you vegi's are onto something?!?

Sailhack said...

I eat meat...but then, I eat pretty much anything......and way too much of everything!

As for the initial argument, I don't believe it's necessary for the survival of the human race to eat meat, but more a hereditory condition, and in fact by not eating meat, we wouldn't be farming cows/pigs/sheep, therefore less methane emissions...and in turn we'd have to farm much more fruit & veg...decreasing carbon dioxide levels...resulting in sustainable agrigulture and improving our ecosystem. Which would maintain our survival, as well as other living creatures on this planet.

hmmm...maybe you vegi's are onto something?!?

I think you're definitely onto something Sailhack, but I think the horse has already bolted. The level of human population is the problem - and just see whats happening with the urbanisation in China and India.

Sure they have a right to a "middle class" existence (like the "western/european" countries) but unfortunately the earth as we know it (with current climate etc) cannot support it. But hey there'll be a lot more wars over resources and humans will just end up another extinct species, like ALL other species over time. The earth will always survive, just in another guise.

"Save the planet" aint save the planet, its just humans wanting to save their human environment.

I still don't understand what the whole big deal is - humans are a part of nature - we change our environment and pay the price - so the human race doesn't succeed as the ultimte species for ever - big deal. What really does it matter. Ever done the fruit fly experiment at school? Drosophila (need male and female) in a test tube with agar (food) - you soon learn what happens with an exploding population and dwindling resources. Hey - maybe that is the answer to human species future - we need more people to become gay particularly in third world countries - less population expansion as a result. (hmmm anything politically wrong with that).

Another rant :)))

Geez, after a cold beer after windsurfing theres not much that tastes better than a nicely cooked Porterhouse steak on the barbie!!
And the vegie people have their favourites, my sister has tofu burgers at a family BBQ so its all good

ignorance is bliss.. its partly why i didn't watch the complete earthlings video.. the other reason was the fact it wasn't totally factual (least the cow section wasn't) but more emotionally based which is fair enough since humans have greater degrees and understanding of there own emotions than other animals in IMHO , it part of the parcel of why we are the intelligent earthlings and cows are the docile ones - at least up to point to when they a prodded..


i watched the video up to the cow having its throat cut in the abattoir (was a Jewish abattoir i believe as they have strict ways of killing there livestock) and can say i have seen much, much worse in nature done to a lamb by a fox than anything up to that point in the video.. guess my point is.. city folk live pretty insulated lives compared to the real wild out there and so when watching what natures animals do to each other, maybe i am desensitized by what we do to nature more so than others, bit like the guy killing those pigs with little second thought of the ultimate act of killing another living creature (ever swot a fly before?) ...

i didn't like the dogs being treated like they where and thats because i do believe all animals should be treated well for there desired use , would you forgo owning a pet so that other animals domesticated for pets wouldn't suffer like the dogs did in that video?


here though is some information for the vegetarians while they blissfully eat soy based products and wheat whole meal bread... did you know.. many millions of marsupials and quail type species of birds are painfully fleshed stripped and thrashed to death in harvesters every year while harvesting these grains, in fact in all likelihood there is some small micro percentage of meat in your loaf of bread..

bon appetite

you nerds would hate my lunchbox!

Greenroom said...

poor relative said...

So what motivates you to not eat meat?

TonyC said...

Sure I have concerns about how we treat animals, but that is different to the practice of eating meat.

If you love animals and feel they need the same respect and right to live as us humans, then why would you eat them?
Its how the animals are treated before they end up on your plate.
I also hate the idea of fishing... especially game fishing. Have you ever thought of how much stress is put on the fish with a hook in its mouth being dragged in just to be kissed and then thrown back? Whats up with that? How would you like to be dragged through the water by your lips? You wouldnt do it to a whale or a dolphin? And put yourself in the place of a cow, chicken, sheep or pig. Surely these animals know what they are destined for? If I was to round up 50 humans and squashed them into a multi storey truck, allowing the humans on top to piss and crap over the humans under them, surely I would be arrested? Why is it right for us to do it to animals?
Another concern I have is how long has the meat been killed before it ends up on your plate?
Another for me is definately an environmental issue with the raising and grazing of the animals.
Eating meat makes me feel slothful, barbaric, self centred and the list goes on.
In saying all this I feel that its right for me. My wife and kids eat meat. Its their choice. I dont force my feelings about this meat eating issue on them. Just like my thoughts on religion.
I dont drink but I go to pubs to hang out with mates.
I dont eat meat but I still go to bbqs to hang out with mates.
Again these are my thoughts. Im not here to save the world but I can do only what I can do.
This is what motivates me not to eat meat

cwamit said...

...in fact in all likelihood there is some small micro percentage of meat in your loaf of bread..

bon appetite

Id rather a micro percentage in my bread than a couple of kilos sitting in my stomach

Y'know that kinda sums it all up for me.

remember the saying ...stop running around like a chook without its head on.. ever seen a chook run around without its head on?... so is the chook still alive or dead, if you have never seen an animal instantly killed, head chopped off or shot in the brain you probably have seen the movies of the subjects instant death where the animal (usually the good or bad guy gets shot in the head) becomes instantly motionless, real life doesn't work like that at all.. muscle memory , continual heart spasms and nerve systems all play their part in death, but not to disclose suffering and pain of the animals death but to disclose reflex actions.

i have shot many cows (mostly because they where ill) and the first thing i do is check there eyes for blinking reflex, its the best way to see if the animal is brain dead, i don't recommend standing behind a cow after its been shot dead, you may still get a kick in the shin.


i don't believe animals are intelligent as in they know they are about to die by being herded into a truck to the abattoirs. they are instinctive just as a pack of dogs will bring down a sick cow as instinctive hunting behavior so will a mob of cows find it uncomfortable to be placed on a truck in a confined space - although i can assure anyone , livestock transported in Australia are not packed as sardines ,crushed or ill treated this would not be in the interest of a farmer trying to sell prime beef without bruising discounts from the abattoir ..

where does instincts come from.. genetics and the environment both play a part , dogs are a great example as we have so many breeds and each selected through breeding programs for special traits , a golden retriever for example (my fav dogs btw) obviously love retrieving, in fact the genetic disposition of this requires very little reward training as a pup to perform such behavior, though the behavior of "letting go" needs to be positively reinforced. unfortunately dogs haven't been selectively breed not to crap on your shagpile, this too usually needs to be positively reinforced although negative reinforcement works also.

reward training can be constructed as intelligence and understanding but is that really so? coming back to the pack mentality of dogs in the wild, dogs naturally have a pack mentality no mater what breed.. its why we call dogs loyal and mans best friend. rewarding dogs for behavior is in my view further reinforcing that pack mentality for food by performing functions with the leader of the pack.

and one last thing about being confined and crapped on.. i have seen cows crap on their calves while the calf was feeding... so i don't think they mind all that much about poo poo's and wee wee's ...

not trying to convert vegetarians to meat eaters , i don't eat that much red meat either to be honest.. i love chicken, fish and usually at least have one night a week meatless. sometimes two nights , moderation is the main thing for my eating habits.

one more interesting point for the vegos , have you ever heard a chook lay an egg.. now that sounds painful for the chook... they carry on like... um... a chook without its head on!

poor relative said...

Heres a clip, but be warned its confronting harrowing stuff. Images from this doco have been imprinted on my mind and will probably stay with me for quite some time.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6361872964130308142

Thats an impressive vid Relli - beautifully written and presented. We are moving on aren't we?
Thanks for that.