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stamp
stamp
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24 Aug 2012 12:39pm
sorry oceanfire- you're doing some fine work here. we should all be showing a lot more deference.
oceanfire
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24 Aug 2012 10:40am
doggie said...

oceanfire said...

doggie said...

Tbh, I never thought it was one or two rouge sharks. Imo its lots of sharks. They havnt benn hunted/fished for over ten years so their numbers must be up, this combined with whale migration means we are getting more close in to the coast.

And, arnt all sharks rouge sharks?


That's the sort of discussion I was trying to foster here, but I was hoping to get some sort of empirical evidence gathered in one place to hopefully prove or disprove the theory of a 'single rogue shark'.

@kiterboy
chill mate, haters gonna hate


I recon Ive read every news article on the attacks and even tho the facts from witnesses can be a bit innacurate they all quote different size sharks.


yep, it's proven that eyewitness accounts are very unreliable, which is why I was hoping there was more photographic and video evidence out there.

I was initially looking for scars on the sharks, but looking at the photos, it seems like the colour dividing line is a bit easier to identify in the variable quality of the pics.

I'd be pretty sure the colour dividing line wouldn't change from season to season as suggested, seems like that's the same as saying that our hair colour and hairline changes from season to season - I was hoping to actually get photographic evidence from the recent spates of encounters first off, but it'd be good to get some informed word on that; aren't there a couple of proclaimed marine biology informed people on this forum?
oceanfire
oceanfire
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24 Aug 2012 10:44am
stamp said...

sorry oceanfire- you're doing some fine work here. we should all be showing a lot more deference.


You must be the king of misinterpretation.

All I'm saying is that it's worth a try, rather than taking the easy way and saying there's absolutely nothing we can do.

You've made your point, you don't think it's worth doing anything, I respect your right to make that decision.
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
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24 Aug 2012 11:06am
oceanfire said...

doggie said...

oceanfire said...

doggie said...

Tbh, I never thought it was one or two rouge sharks. Imo its lots of sharks. They havnt benn hunted/fished for over ten years so their numbers must be up, this combined with whale migration means we are getting more close in to the coast.

And, arnt all sharks rouge sharks?


That's the sort of discussion I was trying to foster here, but I was hoping to get some sort of empirical evidence gathered in one place to hopefully prove or disprove the theory of a 'single rogue shark'.

@kiterboy
chill mate, haters gonna hate


I recon Ive read every news article on the attacks and even tho the facts from witnesses can be a bit innacurate they all quote different size sharks.


yep, it's proven that eyewitness accounts are very unreliable, which is why I was hoping there was more photographic and video evidence out there.

I was initially looking for scars on the sharks, but looking at the photos, it seems like the colour dividing line is a bit easier to identify in the variable quality of the pics.

I'd be pretty sure the colour dividing line wouldn't change from season to season as suggested, seems like that's the same as saying that our hair colour and hairline changes from season to season - I was hoping to actually get photographic evidence from the recent spates of encounters first off, but it'd be good to get some informed word on that; aren't there a couple of proclaimed marine biology informed people on this forum?



Yea Subasurf from the shortboard forum, he is doing marine biology I think.
evlPanda
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24 Aug 2012 1:14pm
oceanfire said...
There is a theory amongst some that there is a rogue shark responsible for the recent multiple attacks.

If this theory is true, then we could extrapolate from that, the same shark could probably be attributed to the many non attack encounters recently.

So, there have been many encounters captured on film recently, vids and photos, so I would suggest we use the power of numbers here to post up images from all of these recorded encounters, and use them to try and identify any common marks/identifying features on the shark/s in question.

Perhaps we can identify if it really is the same shark, or couple of sharks.

What do you say?


I say at best it might indicate that perhaps one particular shark is interested in boats. But I think you'll find all great whites are interested in things whatever they are. They don't have arms so they use the only thing they have to investigate; their mouths.

Note that there are more survivors of great white attacks than bull sharks. People have been literally pulled from great white's mouths with nothing but scars. They're being quite delicate if you consider their size, power and fine motor skills.

I really don't know what you're trying to find by this approach. If you do see the same shark in photo after photo what does it show? It likes boats and/or whales. Doesn't mean it is rogue. The only thing it could possibly prove is that it wasn't at the scene of the crime if photo was taken at same time.

To positively identify the attacker you'd need a photo of it attacking someone, which would make all these photos irrelevant.
oceanfire
oceanfire
WA
718 posts
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24 Aug 2012 11:36am
evlPanda said...

oceanfire said...
There is a theory amongst some that there is a rogue shark responsible for the recent multiple attacks.

If this theory is true, then we could extrapolate from that, the same shark could probably be attributed to the many non attack encounters recently.

So, there have been many encounters captured on film recently, vids and photos, so I would suggest we use the power of numbers here to post up images from all of these recorded encounters, and use them to try and identify any common marks/identifying features on the shark/s in question.

Perhaps we can identify if it really is the same shark, or couple of sharks.

What do you say?


I say at best it might indicate that perhaps one particular shark is interested in boats. But I think you'll find all great whites are interested in things whatever they are. They don't have arms so they use the only thing they have to investigate; their mouths.

Note that there are more survivors of great white attacks than bull sharks. People have been literally pulled from great white's mouths with nothing but scars. They're being quite delicate if you consider their size, power and fine motor skills.

I really don't know what you're trying to find by this approach. If you do see the same shark in photo after photo what does it show? It likes boats and/or whales. Doesn't mean it is rogue. The only thing it could possibly prove is that it wasn't at the scene of the crime if photo was taken at same time.

To positively identify the attacker you'd need a photo of it attacking someone, which would make all these photos irrelevant.


You don't know what I'm trying to find?

I thought my first post was clear;
I'm trying to find out if there is a common individual or individuals of sharks that are hanging around.
I'm trying to find out by way of sourcing photos and videos that have been taken recently of the many encounters.

What I'm not trying to do is lead a witch hunt, or say this is a definitive study and or a court case to try and bring about a death sentence for any sharks.

All I'm trying to do is gather empirical evidence to broaden our understanding, even if it's only in some small way, of the habits of these creatures.



Sorry if this doesn't seem as productive as sitting back and just sprouting claims without trying to get a better understanding of the situation. (not pointing the finger at any particular individual)

Woodo
Woodo
WA
792 posts
WA, 792 posts
24 Aug 2012 12:13pm
I like what you're aiming to acheive oceanfire and it's defintiley something that we need to try and figure out whether it's one or two whites hanging around the same area or more than that. (Hopefully not)

Gonna be tricky but with just still photos.

I'd rather knock off the next one that comes into close proximity of the metro coast or menaces a boat. The last 3 sightings in as many weeks (all metro not far offshore) have been of approx a 4.5m white.
Gives a good indication of the size shark(s) you'd want to target.
Get rid of one. Then see if we have CONTINUED sightings on a frequent basis.
If we do. We have a problem...

Been a lot of very close calls/sightings since the last fatallity. I'm just praying there isn't another soon.
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
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24 Aug 2012 12:15pm
Woodo said...

I like what you're aiming to acheive oceanfire and it's defintiley something that we need to try and figure out whether it's one or two whites hanging around the same area or more than that. (Hopefully not)

Gonna be tricky but with just still photos.

I'd rather knock off the next one that comes into close proximity of the metro coast or menaces a boat. The last 3 sightings in as many weeks (all metro not far offshore) have been of approx a 4.5m white.
Gives a good indication of the size shark(s) you'd want to target.
Get rid of one. Then see if we have CONTINUED sightings on a frequent basis.
If we do. We have a problem...

Been a lot of very close calls/sightings since the last fatallity. I'm just praying there isn't another soon.


And then let it hang off a bouy and test the theroy that they dont like other dead sharks.
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