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lightwood
lightwood
VIC
392 posts
VIC, 392 posts
17 Feb 2011 4:55pm
it was just enough to keep the party in power = job done.


Not really true, took the greens and independents to secure power. The coalition got more votes and more seats.
chrispychru
chrispychru
QLD
7932 posts
QLD, 7932 posts
17 Feb 2011 4:10pm
nothing like politics to get people goin. so lets gets some religion now. why does the gov let every religious group get to do what they please and i cant buy beer on good friday. prayed to the big fella last night and he agrees that i should be able to. He also said i should only give money to churches if i can find a skinny priest who walks or rides a pushy and doesnt own a brand new car. labour is only for the dole bludgers and any other simple person who wants **** for free and not work for it[}:)]
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
17 Feb 2011 7:45pm
lightwood said...

it was just enough to keep the party in power = job done.


Not really true, took the greens and independents to secure power. The coalition got more votes and more seats.


Not not really true. Unfortunately they (the 'Libs') didn't get enough seats when it came down to a two-party preferred system - which we just happen to have. The ALP had more than the Liberal/National Coalition.

Why does it matter anyway. They are all the same. Why waste the public's money arguing about it now. We can do that again next election time.

FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
17 Feb 2011 7:45pm
chrispychru said...

nothing like politics to get people goin. so lets gets some religion now. why does the gov let every religious group get to do what they please and i cant buy beer on good friday. prayed to the big fella last night and he agrees that i should be able to. He also said i should only give money to churches if i can find a skinny priest who walks or rides a pushy and doesnt own a brand new car. labour is only for the dole bludgers and any other simple person who wants **** for free and not work for it[}:)]


Down here we think ahead and buy it the day before.
Little Jon
Little Jon
NSW
2115 posts
NSW, 2115 posts
17 Feb 2011 10:53pm
chrispychru said...
labour is only for the dole bludgers and any other simple person who wants **** for free and not work for it[}:)]


Tories are for the tax bludgers, always trying to bludge off workers
chrispychru
chrispychru
QLD
7932 posts
QLD, 7932 posts
18 Feb 2011 6:05am
it is not about think ahead ,it is about options taken away because of religion. thats it beer god where are you help all these sinners see the the amber light
FormulaNova said...

chrispychru said...

nothing like politics to get people goin. so lets gets some religion now. why does the gov let every religious group get to do what they please and i cant buy beer on good friday. prayed to the big fella last night and he agrees that i should be able to. He also said i should only give money to churches if i can find a skinny priest who walks or rides a pushy and doesnt own a brand new car. labour is only for the dole bludgers and any other simple person who wants **** for free and not work for it[}:)]


Down here we think ahead and buy it the day before.


chrispychru
chrispychru
QLD
7932 posts
QLD, 7932 posts
18 Feb 2011 6:07am
it is not about think ahead ,it is about options taken away because of religion. thats it beer god where are you help all these sinners see the the amber light
FormulaNova said...

chrispychru said...

nothing like politics to get people goin. so lets gets some religion now. why does the gov let every religious group get to do what they please and i cant buy beer on good friday. prayed to the big fella last night and he agrees that i should be able to. He also said i should only give money to churches if i can find a skinny priest who walks or rides a pushy and doesnt own a brand new car. labour is only for the dole bludgers and any other simple person who wants **** for free and not work for it[}:)]


Down here we think ahead and buy it the day before.


chrispychru
chrispychru
QLD
7932 posts
QLD, 7932 posts
18 Feb 2011 6:14am
yeh for sure, thats why i work massive hours to pay massive tax. so i can bludge of people. enjoy the stop and go. now i am off to take over the world with beer god. politics suck, religion sucks, sorry , i will stop taking the p iss now
Little Jon said...

chrispychru said...
labour is only for the dole bludgers and any other simple person who wants **** for free and not work for it[}:)]


Tories are for the tax bludgers, always trying to bludge off workers


kitegirl21
kitegirl21
NSW
439 posts
NSW, 439 posts
19 Feb 2011 12:44am
Mark _australia said...

Call me pessimistic but

(1) We can't afford $8 bil for rebuilding Qld, and need a levy, but we can afford a $43 bil broadband network?

(2) We in WA are still paying the WA Inc levy (to pay for massive Govt losses 20 years ago)
It was about $30 or $50 added to vehicle licences and was only supposed to last a finite amount of time like 5yrs or something.
The vehicle licences never dropped and we are still paying.

The Govt will not make the levy for one year you can guarantee that.





thats exactly right... we will be paying extra for years, if not for good because they cant manage money.... idiots
i guess 'australia' voted for em... i sure didnt
log man
log man
VIC
8289 posts
VIC, 8289 posts
19 Feb 2011 12:14pm
kitegirl21 said...

Mark _australia said...

Call me pessimistic but

(1) We can't afford $8 bil for rebuilding Qld, and need a levy, but we can afford a $43 bil broadband network?

(2) We in WA are still paying the WA Inc levy (to pay for massive Govt losses 20 years ago)
It was about $30 or $50 added to vehicle licences and was only supposed to last a finite amount of time like 5yrs or something.
The vehicle licences never dropped and we are still paying.

The Govt will not make the levy for one year you can guarantee that.





thats exactly right... we will be paying extra for years, if not for good because they cant manage money.... idiots
i guess 'australia' voted for em... i sure didnt


Sorry to spoil the bull**** love in. But the Flood Levy has a sunset clause built in.....so it can't continue on past one year . Problem solved. There then.
log man
log man
VIC
8289 posts
VIC, 8289 posts
19 Feb 2011 12:24pm
chrispychru said...

nothing like politics to get people goin. so lets gets some religion now. why does the gov let every religious group get to do what they please and i cant buy beer on good friday. prayed to the big fella last night and he agrees that i should be able to. He also said i should only give money to churches if i can find a skinny priest who walks or rides a pushy and doesnt own a brand new car. labour is only for the dole bludgers and any other simple person who wants **** for free and not work for it[}:)]


Chrispy. next election vote for the the little box where the other people put their crosses. you can vote for the the small box party by putting a ring around the small box. They've got some good policies, small boxes for everyone in need of a small box, and the abolition of paper bags. Next election , vote small box party and make your vote really count
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
19 Feb 2011 10:15am
log man said...

kitegirl21 said...

Mark _australia said...

Call me pessimistic but

<snipo>

The Govt will not make the levy for one year you can guarantee that.



thats exactly right... we will be paying extra for years, if not for good because they cant manage money.... idiots
i guess 'australia' voted for em... i sure didnt


Sorry to spoil the bull**** love in. But the Flood Levy has a sunset clause built in.....so it can't continue on past one year . Problem solved. There then.



Yeah, and I don't think anyone will pipe up in two years time and say 'I was wrong, it was only for one year'. People have a great capacity to forget some things, especially if they are wrong.

Then again, if it wasn't for people being skeptical, the politicians, any of them, would try and pull a swifty and extend it for some reason or other.

jetstream
jetstream
WA
57 posts
WA, 57 posts
20 Feb 2011 9:41am
Not withstanding the terrible losses suffered around the country from floods , cyclone and fire damage.
With a long history of economic mismanagement we cannot expect other than this from the Labor Government.
Who else would give all the spare cash out to redecorate everyones living rooms with FlatScreen TV's then wonder why they have no cash for emergencies.
They couldn't run a household without going hand to mouth week from week.

Australian Taxes are just that for events like this, new Levies are just the Govt way of admitting to there own parties financial ineptitude. A way of additional taxing that like other levies round the country have a horrible habit of remaining longterm.




busterwa said...

I show compassion for the people of Queensland for building on a flood plain. But for the labor government to hand out a stimulus package last year then This year introduce a levi to pay for queensland floods In which many australian housholds cant afford because of rising power utility and interest rates.
,Dont ever think your getting a handout.

Thank you labor party for another epic fail in managing the country.


ADS
ADS
WA
365 posts
ADS ADS
WA, 365 posts
20 Feb 2011 10:10am
Food Levy - that's not a tax...

Carbon Tax - now there's a tax!

Doing a Fab job Labor
log man
log man
VIC
8289 posts
VIC, 8289 posts
20 Feb 2011 3:51pm
What is it with the West Australians. Stop talking about it and succeed. You could have Prime minister Twiggy Forrest, a John Williamson song as your national anthem and a coat of arms that has a badly sunburnt neck supported on one side by a jetski and on the other by a trail bike. Go ahead make my day!
log man
log man
VIC
8289 posts
VIC, 8289 posts
20 Feb 2011 4:02pm
"Australian Taxes are just that for events like this, new Levies are just the Govt way of admitting to there own parties financial ineptitude. A way of additional taxing that like other levies round the country have a horrible habit of remaining longterm"
Like the Timor Levy, The Gun Buyback Levy, The Milk levy, the sugar cane levy, Ansett levy. All introduced under your man, that economic genius, John Howard. Long term? no,(again)the legislation has a one year sunset clause..... it ends in one year?
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
20 Feb 2011 7:53pm
jetstream said...

<snip?
Who else would give all the spare cash out to redecorate everyones living rooms with FlatScreen TV's then wonder why they have no cash for emergencies.
They couldn't run a household without going hand to mouth week from week.

<snip>


For crying out loud, doesn't anyone understand why there was an economic stimulus payment, and that it didn't really matter too much on what it was spent on (other than paying off the mortgage)? It mattered more that it was fast.

Anyone that doesn't understand what it is about, please say so now, and I will try and educate you. I'll do the best I can.



cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
20 Feb 2011 11:45pm
FormulaNova said...

jetstream said...
For crying out loud, doesn't anyone understand why there was an economic stimulus payment, and that it didn't really matter too much on what it was spent on (other than paying off the mortgage)? It mattered more that it was fast.

Anyone that doesn't understand what it is about, please say so now, and I will try and educate you. I'll do the best I can.


I am ready for education on this topic. It just seemed like a "blow the dough deal" or "vote buying" to me.

busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
20 Feb 2011 10:01pm
I dont understand it either cisco .. i understand that my new tax levi is supporting company growth I have no option but to support the rebuild of Queensland.Any smarter i would of ridden the government tax payer supported companies.Least my levi has contributed to my superannuation.
Anyways mental note if Queensland floods again and stuff is destroyed start buying shares in certain infrastructure companies so the government booms them
www.google.com/search?q=ASX:BLD&tbm=fin&gws_rd=ssl
NOTE> Boral Limited (Boral) is engaged in the manufacture and supply of building and construction materials in Australia,
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
21 Feb 2011 5:33am
cisco said...

FormulaNova said...

jetstream said...
For crying out loud, doesn't anyone understand why there was an economic stimulus payment, and that it didn't really matter too much on what it was spent on (other than paying off the mortgage)? It mattered more that it was fast.

Anyone that doesn't understand what it is about, please say so now, and I will try and educate you. I'll do the best I can.


I am ready for education on this topic. It just seemed like a "blow the dough deal" or "vote buying" to me.




No worries, glad you asked

We were heading for a recession, not because of our actions, but because of the rest of the world. Led from the financial problems in the US.

When people see or think that there is a recession possible, they tend to stop spending. They are worried for their own jobs, and their own debts. As a result they spend only what they have to.

This reduction in spending flows on to the rest of the economy as others think that a recession is on the cards and they too stop spending.

Owners of businesses see this drop off in their income, so they too stop spending, and stop employing extra people, and if they think the future looks bad, will let people go.

All this starts to add up, and before you know it you HAVE a recession. People have stopped spending, and the economy slows. For no other reason that people 'thought' there might be a recession on the way.

How do you stop this? You inject money into the economy. You inject it fast to make the public think that the good times are here and that there is no chance of a recession happening here. It seems to have worked.

When people have this idea that they have no worries about the economy, they keep spending. They spend on things that generate income for other people in the economy.

You don't have much time to do this either, in case the public decide that there really is a recession looming.

What happened was the government injected money. It almost doesn't matter what it is spent on, as long as it gets out fast. The exception to this is if people save it away at home, or spend it on something that doesn't demand a product or service from anyone else.

I expect any government in power at this time would have done the same thing, and spent. It is the only responsible economic thing to do. If the government had waiting and decided to fund more public works instead, it would be a case of rebuilding an economy instead of keeping it running along. It would have been too late.

I didn't get any of this stimulus spending, which is probably a good thing as I would have just taken the money off the mortgage, which wouldn't have made much difference to the economy. If I had spent the money on smoking or drinking, or bought a wide screen TV, it would have done more for the economy.

Anyhow, if you think that there wasn't a risk of recession, maybe its proof that the government did the right think at the time. I think there was something recently in the media about economic gurus from around the world applauding the Australian response to the GFC.

Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
21 Feb 2011 11:17am


Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
25 Feb 2011 8:59am
YES

NO

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NO

YES

NO

YES

NO

YES, we do not not want a carbon tax.

NO, we really do think we should... And we must think what happens in July, when the balance of power shifts...

Elroy Jetson
Elroy Jetson
WA
706 posts
WA, 706 posts
25 Feb 2011 10:16am


Given that the government injected our cash into the economy to make the economic downturn alot shallower in depth, where is Australia now on the above text book economic cycle?

I'm thinking somewhere in the bottom half but have no idea where...

Suggestions?
westozwind
westozwind
WA
1418 posts
WA, 1418 posts
25 Feb 2011 10:40am
In WA, were right up the top.
Boom going to slump.
Anyone that had a mortgage in the late 80's early 90's will remember the pain of 17% interest rates.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
25 Feb 2011 11:48am
Elroy Jetson said...



Given that the government injected our cash into the economy to make the economic downturn alot shallower in depth, where is Australia now on the above text book economic cycle?

I'm thinking somewhere in the bottom half but have no idea where...

Suggestions?


That's the great thing, a simple cycle ignores a lot of the complexities. It might be text book, but comprehensive it is not.

I think we are going through periods of low unemployment, yet we are seeing higher interest rates, and falling house prices. I would guess somewhere around where it says slump.

If you think we are in the bottom half, you haven't been around very long, as I know it can get much worse than this.

mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
26 Feb 2011 12:14pm
FormulaNova said...

Elroy Jetson said...



Given that the government injected our cash into the economy to make the economic downturn alot shallower in depth, where is Australia now on the above text book economic cycle?

I'm thinking somewhere in the bottom half but have no idea where...

Suggestions?


That's the great thing, a simple cycle ignores a lot of the complexities. It might be text book, but comprehensive it is not.

I think we are going through periods of low unemployment, yet we are seeing higher interest rates, and falling house prices. I would guess somewhere around where it says slump.

If you think we are in the bottom half, you haven't been around very long, as I know it can get much worse than this.




Don't know about the rest of the country, but my industry is at about 7-8 O'clock and hammering along at some pace. Orders out too 2015 for equipment, and I don't mean spare change type, type that has six figure sums attached, and in multiples on the order books, not ones and two's. Parts freight demands that are unable to be unpacked and supplied in the normal shipping and supply time frame (24 hours) we demand but out over 4 days
Anybody looking for a start in the heavy duty mechanical, boilermaker auto electrician, Perth based or FIFO or regional, PM me I can help you get through the door for interview. This isn't an idle statement, we need people fast!!!
Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
7269 posts
WA, 7269 posts
26 Feb 2011 1:04pm
Why are they called 'party's'

Surely the term 'political party' is an oxymoron.

Perhaps that is it. Anyone in a political party ends up being a oxygen thieving moron.

Perhaps the first political party was held in the late eighties with dayglo smiley faces as it's emblem and was formed for the purposes of fighting for the rights of the man on the street to party.

If the revolution is to come then lets put the party back into all the political parties.

NowindSurfer
NowindSurfer
WA
163 posts
WA, 163 posts
5 Mar 2011 8:07am
Even when Ms Gillard was denying there would be a carbon tax last August, her government had committed to spend $599 million on climate change handouts over the current three-year Budget period, mainly in the Pacific and South-East Asia. About $470 million has already been allocated.

The scale of the potential overseas carbon tax payments dwarfs the $500 million in educational foreign aid to Indonesia which provoked recent bickering between the Government and the Opposition.

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