I was going to begin this reply with a statement that I could never understand why it is that people will go to extraordinary lengths to defend an opinion. Even when it's erroneous.
But I do understand. It's all about the ego. Eckhart Tolle explains it so clearly.
Anyway, about Fauci!
Robert Kennedy's book on the man, The Real Anthony Fauci, is a must read. ( If you're not afraid of assaulting your ego 
)
His entire professional life is mired in controversy. Beginning with the AIDS epidemic during which he pushed lethal medication for the pharmaceutical industry. There's an extensive catalogue of instances where third world people were used as guinea pigs for failed medications.
Leaving a trail of bodies behind.
This is not fantasy. It is cold hard fact.
From the very outset this whole "pandemic" was on the nose. In the initial stages there were a few doctors who were outspoken about their successes using treatments which were successful. It was a known fact that people with vitamin D deficiency are susceptible and yet that information was never disseminated.
How easy would it have been to distribute both the information and the vitamin as widely as possible and free of charge? (Some countries did).
Why did they censor?
And as the disease spread a small handful of responsible doctors, doing what responsible doctors do, started to speak about the success they were having with repurposed off label drugs like hydroxychloroquine. The machine went into overdrive. They were ridiculed and censored. Fraudulent trials were published.
Why?
For me it was starkly evident that something was afoot, that being that a medication, the vaccine, was being prepared and they needed many dead bodies and no viable alternative to justify the emergency use authorisation.
It really is that simple.
It now transpires that research done after the 2003 SARs Covi 1 epidemic identified that both hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin were effective treatments for corona viruses. DARPA presented this info to the CDC in 2016.
Do you remember the reaction to the Trump buffoon's announcement on hydroxychloroquine? I do.
And the "horse paste" saga? I do.
Any wonder why there's a growing body of conspiracy realists! And no, I didn't have the jab, never will. There are eleven blokes I work with. Nine were jabbed. Since three have been hospitalised with pneumonia. One suffered a neurological injury to the extent that he couldn't put the chutes back on his truck. One had a hideous case of shingles. Two are now chronically ill. Tinnitus, blurred vision, heart arrythmia.
And every single one has had covid. A couple twice!
WTFU!
Select to expand quotejapie said..
I was going to begin this reply with a statement that I could never understand why it is that people will go to extraordinary lengths to defend an opinion. Even when it's erroneous.
But I do understand. It's all about the ego. Eckhart Tolle explains it so clearly.
Anyway, about Fauci!
Robert Kennedy's book on the man, The Real Anthony Fauci, is a must read. ( If you're not afraid of assaulting your ego )
His entire professional life is mired in controversy. Beginning with the AIDS epidemic during which he pushed lethal medication for the pharmaceutical industry. There's an extensive catalogue of instances where third world people were used as guinea pigs for failed medications.
Leaving a trail of bodies behind.
This is not fantasy. It is cold hard fact.
From the very outset this whole "pandemic" was on the nose. In the initial stages there were a few doctors who were outspoken about their successes using treatments which were successful. It was a known fact that people with vitamin D deficiency are susceptible and yet that information was never disseminated.
How easy would it have been to distribute both the information and the vitamin as widely as possible and free of charge? (Some countries did).
Why did they censor?
And as the disease spread a small handful of responsible doctors, doing what responsible doctors do, started to speak about the success they were having with repurposed off label drugs like hydroxychloroquine. The machine went into overdrive. They were ridiculed and censored. Fraudulent trials were published.
Why?
For me it was starkly evident that something was afoot, that being that a medication, the vaccine, was being prepared and they needed many dead bodies and no viable alternative to justify the emergency use authorisation.
It really is that simple.
It now transpires that research done after the 2003 SARs Covi 1 epidemic identified that both hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin were effective treatments for corona viruses. DARPA presented this info to the CDC in 2016.
Do you remember the reaction to the Trump buffoon's announcement on hydroxychloroquine? I do.
And the "horse paste" saga? I do.
Any wonder why there's a growing body of conspiracy realists! And no, I didn't have the jab, never will. There are eleven blokes I work with. Nine were jabbed. Since three have been hospitalised with pneumonia. One suffered a neurological injury to the extent that he couldn't put the chutes back on his truck. One had a hideous case of shingles. Two are now chronically ill. Tinnitus, blurred vision, heart arrythmia.
And every single one has had covid. A couple twice!
WTFU!
Indeed WTF?
I am not going to bother fact checking most of that misinformation list but:
scdhec.gov/covid19/dangers-using-hydroxychloroquine-ivermectin-preventing-or-treating-covid-19
Select to expand quotehilly said..japie said..
I was going to begin this reply with a statement that I could never understand why it is that people will go to extraordinary lengths to defend an opinion. Even when it's erroneous.
But I do understand. It's all about the ego. Eckhart Tolle explains it so clearly.
Anyway, about Fauci!
Robert Kennedy's book on the man, The Real Anthony Fauci, is a must read. ( If you're not afraid of assaulting your ego )
His entire professional life is mired in controversy. Beginning with the AIDS epidemic during which he pushed lethal medication for the pharmaceutical industry. There's an extensive catalogue of instances where third world people were used as guinea pigs for failed medications.
Leaving a trail of bodies behind.
This is not fantasy. It is cold hard fact.
From the very outset this whole "pandemic" was on the nose. In the initial stages there were a few doctors who were outspoken about their successes using treatments which were successful. It was a known fact that people with vitamin D deficiency are susceptible and yet that information was never disseminated.
How easy would it have been to distribute both the information and the vitamin as widely as possible and free of charge? (Some countries did).
Why did they censor?
And as the disease spread a small handful of responsible doctors, doing what responsible doctors do, started to speak about the success they were having with repurposed off label drugs like hydroxychloroquine. The machine went into overdrive. They were ridiculed and censored. Fraudulent trials were published.
Why?
For me it was starkly evident that something was afoot, that being that a medication, the vaccine, was being prepared and they needed many dead bodies and no viable alternative to justify the emergency use authorisation.
It really is that simple.
It now transpires that research done after the 2003 SARs Covi 1 epidemic identified that both hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin were effective treatments for corona viruses. DARPA presented this info to the CDC in 2016.
Do you remember the reaction to the Trump buffoon's announcement on hydroxychloroquine? I do.
And the "horse paste" saga? I do.
Any wonder why there's a growing body of conspiracy realists! And no, I didn't have the jab, never will. There are eleven blokes I work with. Nine were jabbed. Since three have been hospitalised with pneumonia. One suffered a neurological injury to the extent that he couldn't put the chutes back on his truck. One had a hideous case of shingles. Two are now chronically ill. Tinnitus, blurred vision, heart arrythmia.
And every single one has had covid. A couple twice!
WTFU!
Indeed WTF?
I am not going to bother fact checking most of that misinformation list but:
scdhec.gov/covid19/dangers-using-hydroxychloroquine-ivermectin-preventing-or-treating-covid-19
Look, I'm not about to jump on the Iver/hcq train but in reading through the dangers they're actually less than what's been caused by the Covax which also didn't work very well, so your link only serves to suggest that you still believe the covax is safe and effective.
Ok, you do you.
www.wsj.com/articles/are-vaccines-fueling-new-covid-variants-xbb-northeast-antibodies-mutation-strain-immune-imprinting-11672483618
Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche predictions coming true?
Similar text is here if you can't view Wall Street Journal - matzav.com/vaccines-fueling-new-covid-variants/
But don't worry everybody... this was fact checked and proven false in 2021 - www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-variants-idUSL2N2NL1M2
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..
www.wsj.com/articles/are-vaccines-fueling-new-covid-variants-xbb-northeast-antibodies-mutation-strain-immune-imprinting-11672483618
Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche predictions coming true?
Similar text is here if you can't view Wall Street Journal - matzav.com/vaccines-fueling-new-covid-variants/
I laughed when I read that. I recall his passionate warning .
From the outset this has been an information war.
On the one side the pharmaceutical industry, the legacy media and health officials, (many of whom are financed by the pharmaceutical industry).
On the other practicing doctors and medical academics.
So who do you pay attention to? Who to believe?
Cui bono?
It is obvious how the pharmaceutical industry benefits. Along with their supporters.
How do their detractors, the medical fraternity opposing them benefit? Certainly not financially. Many risk the loss of their medical licence. Most are roundly criticised and lampooned.
So why do they do it?
Hippocratic oath? What do they have to gain? Knowing that their actions are not going plague them with a moral dilemma.
That they can sleep at night.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..
www.wsj.com/articles/are-vaccines-fueling-new-covid-variants-xbb-northeast-antibodies-mutation-strain-immune-imprinting-11672483618
Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche predictions coming true?
Similar text is here if you can't view Wall Street Journal - matzav.com/vaccines-fueling-new-covid-variants/
You know what it tells me when you include links like the first one? YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T EVEN READ THE LINK. Either that or you have a sibscription to the new york times. But the skeptical me says you are just forwarding stuff on. Was PM33 talking about you when he was talking about hive minds?
BTW, you do know its sort of expected that viruses will evolve when confronted with vaccines? Well at least when there is a big enough population to support it. Its exactly the same with the flu virus as the flu shot will target specific chosen ones and unfortunately that then lets the others become the dominant strain. Not suprising if you understand how vaccines work and can think forward.
I wonder if the few unvaccinated individuals far exceed the ability of vaccinated people to generate new variants? 
But this is not that exciting because almost exactly the same thing happens in non-vaccinated populations where people get immunity through catching it and recovering. I think a lot of these strains got a start from huge unvaccinated populations in south africa.
We are generally lucky that more benign virus variants are more likely to spread as they don't disable the host but can spread at the same time. Apparently it could have also gone the other way, but in this case we are seeing Omicron as the result and hopefully any sons of Omicron are similarly benign.
As for the fact-check URL, I am not sure I agree. It seems to be talking about vaccinated people not being able to generate new mutations but then the sumamry at the end addresses more dangerous variants. I am not sure exactly what it is focussing on.
"False. Evidence does not point to vaccinated individuals carrying or causing more dangerous COVID-19 variants. Based on evidence so far, there is no indication that COVID-19 vaccines are causing ADE."
A powerful story of the "Memorial Day" event, and the delivery of a petition to New Zealand's Parliament in Wellington.Brave injured people and their families gather together to share their grief and suffering at a memorial service for Rory Nairn, who died as a result of the newly invented pharmaceutical. all those who have suffered injury. This peaceful event is interrupted by a large police presence, low flying helicopters and police photographers snapping images of the sick and suffering, some in wheelchairs, for "intelligence gathering purposes."
New Zealand Documentary Memorial Day (Silent No More NZ) (rumble.com)
"Based on the pooled incidence and the inclusion criteria taken into account in the present study, the results are <0.002%. So, mRNA COVID-19 vaccination has a low incidence of myocarditis."Article in Journal of Pharmacy & Pharmacognosy Research ? December 2022 DOI: 10.56499/jppres22.1524_11.1.76
Select to expand quoteremery said..
"Based on the pooled incidence and the inclusion criteria taken into account in the present study, the results are <0.002%. So, mRNA COVID-19 vaccination has a low incidence of myocarditis."Article in Journal of Pharmacy & Pharmacognosy Research ? December 2022 DOI: 10.56499/jppres22.1524_11.1.76
Wicked, I'm glad it doesn't also cause other injuries. But even at 2/100,000 I still wouldn't have chosen to take it.
www.9news.com.au/national/china-traveller-covid19-testing-australia-government-went-against-chief-medical-officer-health-advice/f05856da-f72e-4bb7-a25d-83ebb5596c8a
Government following the science as usual and bowing to bedwetters.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..
Wicked, I'm glad it doesn't also cause other injuries. But even at 2/100,000 I still wouldn't have chosen to take it.
Even if your chances of death from COVID were much higher? Numbers matter.
Select to expand quoteremery said..psychojoe said..
Wicked, I'm glad it doesn't also cause other injuries. But even at 2/100,000 I still wouldn't have chosen to take it.
Even if your chances of death from COVID were much higher? Numbers matter.
They would have to be exponentially higher. Even at the height of the Alpha deaths, let's say even in America since they had about the worst run of it, the numbers never added up. Certainly not for a healthy 43y.o. male and generally not for anyone with a functional thymus (roughly under 70).
^^^ Remember that you have about a 1% chance of ending your life in a road accident, but I'll bet you still cheerfully take that risk most days.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
You know what it tells me when you include links like the first one? YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T EVEN READ THE LINK.
Yeah I couldn't read the whole article hence I posted the 2nd link which looks like it basically copies the text. I put the WSJ link in there to highlight the fact that this issue is obviously being taken seriously now by sections of mainstream media.
For the statistics geeks out there;
app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiODQ4NTg4OGUtNWU5ZS00MjQ3LWJmODgtNzI1N2RmOWY3N2Y3IiwidCI6IjZmMGU5YzQyLTk2Y2UtNDU1MS05NzAxLWJhMzFkMGQ2ZDE5ZSJ9&pageName=ReportSection1c3fdc161d4008c845a6
Select to expand quoteRemember, if someone young and healthy dies unexpectedly, it is inappropriate and a violation to ask about their vaccination status. That question is only for important occasions, like entry to restaurants.
Nearly half of Americans think COVID-19 vaccines may be to blame for many unexplained deaths, and more than a quarter say someone they know could be among the victims.The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that (49%) of American Adults believe it is likely that side effects of COVID-19 vaccines have caused a significant number of unexplained deaths, including 28% who think it's Very Likely. Thirty-seven percent (37%) don't say a significant number of deaths have been caused by vaccine side effects, including 17% who believe it's Not At All Likely. Another 14% are not sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)TRENDING: UPDATE 5: Buffalo Bills Official Statement on Damar Hamlin Issued Early Tuesday: Suffered Cardiac Arrest, Is in Critical ConditionTwenty-eight percent (28%) of adults say they personally know someone whose death they think may have been caused by side effects of COVID-19 vaccines, while 61% don't and another 10% are not sure.The documentary Died Suddenly has been criticized as promoting "debunked" anti-vaccine conspiracy theories but has been seen by some 15 million people.
BREAKING: Rasmussen Poll Shows that 1-in-4 Americans Believe They Know Someone Who Died from COVID Vaccine (thegatewaypundit.com)
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Select to expand quoteMr Milk said..
^^^ Remember that you have about a 1% chance of ending your life in a road accident, but I'll bet you still cheerfully take that risk most days.
I hate it when people judge things like that.
Sure, I only have a 1% chance of dying in a car accident, I might just get drunk and close my eyes while driving too as 1% is 1% and nothing can change that.... Except you can mitigate the risk a lot through your own actions.
It's like when people talk about the small risk of dying from a shark attack... well it's a lot smaller if you don't go in the water.
Do we have a choice in catching Covid? Do we have a choice in having an adverse reaction? If only we knew both of these before we started.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..FormulaNova said..
You know what it tells me when you include links like the first one? YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T EVEN READ THE LINK.
Yeah I couldn't read the whole article hence I posted the 2nd link which looks like it basically copies the text. I put the WSJ link in there to highlight the fact that this issue is obviously being taken seriously now by sections of mainstream media.
I think it makes sense that you get a virus that evolves because the vaccine protects people from the targetted variants. A random mutation is required but viruses mutate all the time. Its just good fortune that they evolve into more benign versions. Well, not good fortune really, its their 'survival of the fittest' as a version that can spread easily and replicate a lot is the winner and you can replicate a lot more if the host can stay alive.
For me, I think this whole couple of years has shown me that opinions change. Results sometimes come in that are unexpected and people revise their theories or their understandings. It's normal. If someone did know all this stuff at the beginning then you could argue their was a preconceived conspiracy, but I am not sure we have seen anything like this. Just a bunch of people that might have said something at the beginning and may have changed their advice since.
But it still bugs me when people see the relatively mild results of Omicron and claim that it was all overblown, and forget that the original strain was much more lethal.
History is no doubt full of viruses that killed lots of people on first exposure, but since became something people either evolved to survive or the virus evolved to survive.
But where is all the talk of liver and steroids? I hear it is the best way to combat Covid! 
Please no one Respond to FN. It's like a broken record and it really is energy zapping to witness. Let him believe what he wants and that big pharma and the global agenda is a CT and covid is legit and deadly and tha vax is effective and safe ????? just can't see another updated post of home banging on. Go chase some sun
Can we at least realise that 'peer-reviewed' does not have some magical meaning. It can just mean that you have a couple of colleagues that hold similar views to yourself. That's why it's not hard to find peer-reviewed papers that draw opposing conclusions. Some logical argument in this discussion that displays at least some form of intelligence would be interesting to read, rather than more of this mind-numbing link posting of 'peer-reviewed' papers.
Select to expand quoteHumdinger said..
Please no one Respond to FN. It's like a broken record and it really is energy zapping to witness. Let him believe what he wants and that big pharma and the global agenda is a CT and covid is legit and deadly and tha vax is effective and safe ????? just can't see another updated post of home banging on. Go chase some sun
Ahh, I thought you were one of those. Thanks for clarifying it. Too gutless to argue an opinion but happy to sink the boot in anyway?
You are not even good at comprehension.
Yeah, that sort of person.
Select to expand quoteIf only we knew both of these before we started
I held out so long that the trial data already indicated that it was not worth the risk, I waited until there were many serious injuries and deaths in my demographic, then I was forced into it.
Cue FN to say "you made a choice"
Select to expand quoteremery said..
Even if your chances of death from COVID were much higher? Numbers matter.
Yes, numbers matter..... let's do a few here.
How many contributors to the this STB forum? I'll assume 500. We have 2 people here with the condition. If the 2/100,000 figure is true, we are punching 200 times above our weight. Sure, could just be unlucky that we have 2 in our 500 sample set, so let's do a couple more calcs...
Consider Flying Dutchman's 2 friends in what he says is a relatively small social circle, let's say 200 people, that means his friends are punching 500 times above his weight.
Then there are the 3 girls in my daughter's English tutoring group that is less than 100 people, so they're doing stupendously well at 1500 times the expected occurrence. Again, I might just happen to know a lot of unlucky people. As they say, maybe time to buy a lottery ticket!
But, now put this in the context of the former President of the AMA stating that the TGDA is not being stringent in following up and recording reports of vaccine injuries, and that there are strong disincentives for doctors to report them. (Something that I've witnessed personally in my family's situation.) Does it not at least make you wonder what the real incidence of serious vaccinated side effects might be? Incidentally, 1st prize goes to Kerryn Phelps and her partner for smashing the statistical odds and having 2/2 with serious COVID vaccine injuries.
BTW, what is the COVID mortality rate for a healthy unvaccinated under 40-year-old? (And how much should the official figure be reduced by to account for the rather broad definition of a COVID death?)
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
Too gutless to argue an opinion ...
Always thought Carantoc argued an opinion.
But you cancelled Carantoc (allegedly). By auto-hiding anything Carantoc espoused an opinion on. Because you didn't like the opinion.
Seems like you expect it both ways FN.
Cancel anyone who disagrees with your opinion but not let anyone cancel you for your opinions#.
#(even though your opinions on the response to COVID19 are wrong).
Select to expand quoteHarrow said..
Yes, numbers matter..... lets do a few here.
I'm not doubting your numbers.
I personally know of two people who say they have long COVID, and don't know anyone who belive they suffered as a result of the vaccine.
Select to expand quoteMr Milk said..
^^^ Remember that you have about a 1% chance of ending your life in a road accident, but I'll bet you still cheerfully take that risk most days.
1% of what ?
Need some context at least.
Surely not 1% chance every time I sit in a car or travel on a road. So that's like 100% chance if I take 100 separate journeys. Say I travel 10 times a week, then that is 500% chance of death in any one year ?
Must be 1% in my lifetime ? or something.
So doing some numbers (like Harrow)
If it is 0.002% presumably that is per shot. I think officially we are all supposed to have had 4 or 5 shots by now ? So if multiple the road death and vax injury figures out :
1% in lifetime of say 80 years travelling on a road 10 times per week = 1 in 41,600 chance in any one journey
A vax course of 5 shots at 0.002% per shot = 1 in 10,000 chance in any vax program.
Statistics hey ?
