Ideas for revamped immigration policy

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Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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20 Dec 2011 12:53pm
patsken said...

Silence said...

EDIT: except for vegemite. Guys, that thing can't be edible, seriously...




There is nothing wrong with salty flavoured yeast



Sooo many ways to go with that one....... but I will resist....
Killbot
Killbot
WA
201 posts
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20 Dec 2011 2:39pm
I've got a crazy immigration scheme for you.

How about we treat the incredibly small number of asylum seekers (they account for less than 1% of immigration) that arrive by boat with respect and dignity. Their boat looks un-sea worthy? Once they're in Australian waters lets send one of ours out to pick them up. When they arrive, let them live in the community while we process their claims and not an immigration centre. Let's welcome them into the community and give them every opportunity to succeed, we might not get a 100% strike rate from the first generation but at least the second and third generation won't grow up resenting us for being d1cks to their parents. How can we expect them to want to become 'Australians' when half of us come across like total f*ckwits?

Treating these people better wouldn't even cost us anymore than the current system and benefits everyone in the long run. I hate preachy Libertarians as much as the next guy (the only thing worse than a plastic socialist in a Che t-shirt is a bogan with a 'F*ck-Off We're Full' sticker) but this sh1t is just common human decency. If you treat people with disdain how can you expect anything else in return?

I won't call anyone on here a rascist (after all your mate is proper Indian and stuff) but you sure do sound like a ****!
SomeOtherGuy
SomeOtherGuy
NSW
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20 Dec 2011 6:11pm
Killbot said...

Treating these people better wouldn't even cost us anymore than the current system and benefits everyone in the long run.


Actually, it'd cost a whole lot LESS. Even if we gave them a place to stay and the dole while their claim was being processed, no questions asked, it'd STILL cost a bundle less than what it costs now.

Imagine how much less it'd cost if they were allowed to get a job and PAY TAXES!

I'm sure ten fools will now tell me why that's a stupid idea...
chrispychru
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20 Dec 2011 5:13pm
SomeOtherGuy said...

Killbot said...

Treating these people better wouldn't even cost us anymore than the current system and benefits everyone in the long run.


Actually, it'd cost a whole lot LESS. Even if we gave them a place to stay and the dole while their claim was being processed, no questions asked, it'd STILL cost a bundle less than what it costs now.

Imagine how much less it'd cost if they were allowed to get a job and PAY TAXES!

I'm sure ten fools will now tell me why that's a stupid idea...

so people are fools cause they might disagree with you...farkwit
K Dog
K Dog
VIC
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20 Dec 2011 6:16pm
pierrec45 said...

petermac33 said...

just see an alterior motive in gov't immigration policy

Always thought that the surge in immigration was simply a tentative to support the aging population. Knee-jerk reaction for the failure by all Western gov'ts to make the link between the falling birth rate and "who will support the older guys - quick, we have to bring new people in, like, any".

In fact, I thought it came out just like that from the mouths of Hawke and Keating at the time when it all started. Is there any other motive??


Nailed it..... its about economics...........
SandS
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20 Dec 2011 8:07pm
log man said...

SandS said...

Loggy , I have have no resentment , it would not be a punishment , but a six year apprenticeship , not slavery as you suggest.
At this point we have no plan to do anything ,Other than try and find the body's in the sea.


So the only way we can stop people drowning in bad boats is to implement a forced labour scheme... You said," We will feed you, and not kill you". That sounds like a forced labour camp to me. I spose to stop these people from drowning at sea we could send that ship, as you suggested to a port ,as you suggested pick them up, bring them to Australia, process them, deport the ones who are not desireable and keep the rest. There then, that would stop the drownings at sea that you seem sssoooooo concerned about. So why the labour camp , why the "you will work on this project" . Why the "we will not kill you" crap. Why the need to turn us into concentration camp guards. Why the attitude to these people. My guess is fear of people coming to Australia by boat, Fear of Asians, Fear of Brown people, Fear of Muslims, Fear of being invaded. Fear. **** fear!



Why the labour camps? well... we need a lot of stuff built here, and it seems the unions have got the country buy the short and curlys . All major infrastructure projects are costing us way to much in dollar terms because wages are too high . Take the vic desalination project for an example, 3rd year Apprentices taking over $100,000 PA
Just crazy. That project has doubled in cost and its still not complete was to be 4 bil will end up about 8 billion! Every plumber in vic is a fing millionaire for Christ sake.

Ok so i may have been a bit out of line with the phrase " we will not kill you" we probably will kill who ever comes here buy paying them too much , and watching them buy a Malloo ute and wrap themselves around a gum tree.

We are not frightened of migrants we need them here to help build stuff ,because we a too ffing lazy to do it ourselves.

We just need a GUbenment that has got the guts to actually make a ffing decision on this and get these newcomers working instead of sitting around sewing their lips together, in frustration.
Rex
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20 Dec 2011 5:16pm
Killbot said...

I've got a crazy immigration scheme for you.

How about we treat the incredibly small number of asylum seekers (they account for less than 1% of immigration) that arrive by boat with respect and dignity.


I tend to agree with your thoughts, my only concern is that when word get around and that 1% turns to 5% or 50% how do we deal with that?
Killbot
Killbot
WA
201 posts
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20 Dec 2011 5:34pm
Population explosion is a whole other issue (if that's what you're getting at) with its own concerns but I can't see refugees ever being a major cause of it in Australia. Our natural isolation will always keep the number of refugees arriving 'illegally' pretty low. Personally, I think Australia is better placed than just about any other country in the world to take in refugees at the moment.
Mobydisc
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NSW
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20 Dec 2011 8:34pm
How about we excise Christmas Island from Australia. Make it an independent country or just evacuate it and leave it for the crabs. It's about 300kms from Java and about 3000 kms from Australia. So all the boats make a B line there. It would be interesting to see how much taxpayer money is spent there compared to revenue raised.

Also have the government do nothing when boat people arrive. If do gooders want to help boat people or businesses want to help then it still is a reasonable free country so they can, as long as no government (our) money is spent.

Ensure people arriving here have no access to government services besides the police if they break laws. If they whinge tell them that's too bad, no one asked you to come here. Make it under your own efforts or get out.

Honestly it annoys me when I see refugees who are not working are living in good houses at our expense while many Aussies are battling to keep going

Killbot
Killbot
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20 Dec 2011 5:41pm
Do you genuinely believe anyone is jumping on a busted ass boat to come over here and free load?
Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
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20 Dec 2011 5:46pm
Given that nobody appears to understand the difference between immigration policy and asylum seeker policy perhaps we are not the best people to be commenting ?
SomeOtherGuy
SomeOtherGuy
NSW
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20 Dec 2011 9:25pm
chrispychru said...

SomeOtherGuy said...

Killbot said...

Treating these people better wouldn't even cost us anymore than the current system and benefits everyone in the long run.


Actually, it'd cost a whole lot LESS. Even if we gave them a place to stay and the dole while their claim was being processed, no questions asked, it'd STILL cost a bundle less than what it costs now.

Imagine how much less it'd cost if they were allowed to get a job and PAY TAXES!

I'm sure ten fools will now tell me why that's a stupid idea...

so people are fools cause they might disagree with you...farkwit



Can you show me where my numbers are wrong? If not then calling me names doesn't make you any less a fool. Numbers are numbers. They don't change regardless of our relative opinions.
GalahOnTheBay
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20 Dec 2011 9:56pm
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