That video is quite Marxist. The speakers discuss planning and control to develop a better society. Ideas not much different to the idea of central planning. Marxists and Communists talked of creating a perfect society too. Where did they end up? Starvation or a 9mm bullet in the back of the head. Somehow a bunch of wise people with all the statistics and information in their hands are goings to be able to make better decisions than ordinary people. This idea has failed many times.

The end statement On a resource based economy wasn't much different to the old slogan which went something like "take what you need and give what you can"

laceys lane said...

doesn't it sound good, but the people who are running things now will still be in control, just with a hell of a lot more control over you, me and everybody

what happens to the people who don't like it?

Liquidation. There will be a need to create a new rational, scientific man. Those who object or do not fit the mold will be cast into the dustbin of history.

They should make Wayne Swan Treasurer - he was voted the best in the world. Laurie Oaks should be the leader - He's fat but fair. Tom Elliot should be spokesperson, his radio program on 3AW is great, and they should make Melbourne the world capital - cause I live there, and idiots keep telling us its the worlds most liveable city - whatever that means.

I want to know what's the worlds most fu$kable city - I want to live there

What a great video, when I grow up I want to end all wars and find a cure for all known diseases. I would also like a hovercar. My interests are horseriding and meeting people.

Most people living in so called democracies, see communist ideals as their only way out. They don't often realise these alternatives are communist ideals until someone points them to the Soviet Union. These issues have been fought out in history, (check out European History of the aristocracy including Russia and the Ukraine and why the Soviet Union is the Soviet Union, not to mention the rest of the world) and because of human nature, it goes round and round in circles. Its Human nature we need to change first and foremost, (good luck with that one crusader rabbit) government will come second.
I also despise Nazi's posing as Hippies forcing their beleifs down your throat thinking there is no alternative but communism.
Anarchy is the only real alternative I see. Most confuse chaos with Anarchy, Anarchy means 'No Government', (from early greek meaning "No Ruler") so Anarchy is often associated with chaos depending on the speaker; Its a utopian ideal, to have no government, chaos is what would be the result if you had an anarchic society full of morons, so for an anarchic society to flourish we first need civilised people, so again highly unlikely.
So yeh Global Governance= a Sh!tty deal, big brother, WAR ie CIVIL WARS 24/7 365 For ever and ever. not much different from what we have now.

Bad

SomeOtherGuy said...

How could be not a good thing? Competition? Meh! Australia used to be a number of separate states before federation. Are you saying we were better off that way? The USA likewise. Would they have been better off staying that way instead of centralising their government?

What are the benefits?

Well... for one thing, you don't see NSW declaring war on Victoria do you? Why? Because we consider ourselves ONE country, not lots of little ones competing for the same space. Europe is just learning that lesson. Do you think either of the world wars would have happened if there were ONE government governing Germany, France, Britain etc? I think not. SO it'd be an end to wars for a start.

Why would a democratically elected world government be any more constraining than a democratically elected national government? So there's another benefit - the spread of democracy worldwide.

A single finance system eliminates the opportunity for one nation to soak up the wealth of others for its own benefit. Imbalances like the artificially low Chinese currency are eliminated.

There's a few benefits with just 5 minutes thought. There's bound to be more.

maybe this would help

Perhaps if you believe a global government will fix all of humanities problems you believe in fairies too.

Centralising power for me is evil, because it means a small group impose their will on a larger group.

We're all in this play ground together and we only get 1 turn, so I don't want anybody telling me how to play.

I think societies need founding basic principals like:
Preservation of all life.
Your body is your own to do as you will with it.
Wilfully causing harm to another results in expulsion from the society (sent to the desert with no clothes )
...
And then goals like:
To discover new worlds.
To progress our species.

I don't see how creating another bureaucratic layer would benefit us; all it would do is add another bunch of unproductive people to a society that already suffers from too many unproductives ie:pen pushers (bankers, politicians).

As a nation what goal do we have?

SomeOtherGuy said...

No, I don't believe it'd fix all the problems nor did I say that. There's lots of problems it'd have absolutely no effect on. May even make some worse - global warming, peak oil. There's two for starters.

But if you believe that global governance necessarily means some kind of worldwide enslavement by evil overlords who guffaw at their own evil then maybe you've been reading too many comic books yourself. YOU need to explain why and how that'd happen. Otherwise you're just one more nutjob conspiracy theorist who has dreamed up a new one.

OK then. Not everybody want a one-world Government.

How do they establish it? By the only way they can when smaller countries say no, or protestors are out in every city in the world - Force.
And that makes it bad.

Well okay - who's ideals (not sure of the word best describing a base point or rule which for a start will put lots of folks off) are we basing a "one world governance system" on? ....Pleeease don't say America.
Then , we'll go left field a wee bit - where does one of our world's biggest current bugbears - Religion - fit in the Glo Go picture?

What goal would Greece , Italy , Portugal and some of the skint African countries (just to name a couple or so) have?
To get the hell out of debt and be richer - there lieth another fundamental problem to Glo Go.

Mark _australia said...

OK then. Not everybody want a one-world Government.

How do they establish it? By the only way they can when smaller countries say no, or protestors are out in every city in the world - Force.
And that makes it bad.

Fair 'nuff. But why would they have to be forced to join in? Because yoochoob told you so? Maybe you lot should all try doing your own thinking instead of outsourcing your thinking to yoochoob.

Australia became one federation democratically and voluntarily because the separate states could see the benefits. Same for the USA. Europe is trying to head that way. Britain may not have joined up quite the same way but England, Scotland and Wales certainly seem to prefer to stay together.

There is no reason for example that USA, Britain, Australia and any other nations who wanted to establish a greater democratic nation couldn't get together to do it. All it takes is the nod from the people. If other nations didn't want to join in it'd be up to them.

No force. No heinous evil villains with fluffy cats. No paranoia.

SomeOtherGuy said...

Australia became one federation democratically and voluntarily because the separate states could see the benefits.

While I'm at it... it strikes me that when Australia federated, New Zealand originally put up their hands to join in. They then changed their minds (from what I remember, I think the referendum was defeated).

I don't remember learning that the newly formed Australia declare war on New Zealand to force them to join. Do you?

SomeOtherGuy said...

SomeOtherGuy said...

Australia became one federation democratically and voluntarily because the separate states could see the benefits.

While I'm at it... it strikes me that when Australia federated, New Zealand originally put up their hands to join in. They then changed their minds (from what I remember, I think the referendum was defeated).

I don't remember learning that the newly formed Australia declare war on New Zealand to force them to join. Do you?

Global Governance probably couldnt be addressed at a state or feral level my friend .

The Global Governance puppeteers would be the American Federal Reserve , the IMF and the World Bank and subsidiaries with the G8 as the puppets that implement the whole agenda. The agenda is perpetual debt ,our monetary system is basically a Ponzi scheme . If no one or no group or no bank or no country is in debt the Ponzi scheme fails ?????? ........... Watch out for China .