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It's not climate change that's causing heat waves this summer but no one wants to explain why | Fox News (ampproject.org)
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Every summer, heat waves inevitably hit the U.S. and other parts of the world, causing climate alarmists and left-leaning media outlets to demand dramatic, disastrous changes to the global energy system. Unfortunately, this summer is no different. On Tuesday, U.S. media outlets published a wave of stories about supposedly "historic" heat waves in Europe and North America. For example, The Washington Post published an article titled "Heat waves in U.S., Europe 'virtually impossible' without climate change, study finds." Similarly, Axios published a story titled "Historic and enduring U.S. heat wave, by the numbers."
Government researchers have been tracking heat waves for more than 100 years. According to data from the U.S. Climate Change Science Program, which is made available by the Environmental Protection Agency, the annual heat wave index for the contiguous 48 states was substantially higher in the 1930s than at any point in recent years. In some years in the 1930s, it was four times greater or even more.
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Select to expand quotepsychomub said..
It's not climate change that's causing heat waves this summer but no one wants to explain why
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Every summer, heat waves inevitably hit the U.S. and other parts of the world, causing climate alarmists and left-leaning media outlets to demand dramatic, disastrous changes to the global energy system. Unfortunately, this summer is no different. On Tuesday, U.S. media outlets published a wave of stories about supposedly "historic" heat waves in Europe and North America. For example, The Washington Post published an article titled "Heat waves in U.S., Europe 'virtually impossible' without climate change, study finds." Similarly, Axios published a story titled "Historic and enduring U.S. heat wave, by the numbers."
Government researchers have been tracking heat waves for more than 100 years. According to data from the U.S. Climate Change Science Program, which is made available by the Environmental Protection Agency, the annual heat wave index for the contiguous 48 states was substantially higher in the 1930s than at any point in recent years. In some years in the 1930s, it was four times greater or even more.
Fox News? Seriously, could you stoop any lower?
Abstract
The frequency and intensity of extreme events especially heat waves (HW) are growing all around the world which ultimately poses a serious threat to the health of individuals. To quantify the effects of extreme temperature, appropriate information, and the importance of HW and heat index (HI) are carefully discussed for different parts of the world. Varied definitions of the HW and HI formula proposed and used by different countries are carried out systematically continent-wise. Different studies highlighted the number of definitions of HW; however, mostly used Steadman's formulae, which was developed in the late 1970s, for the calculation of HI that uses surface air temperature and relative humidity as climatic fields. Since then, dramatic changes in climatic conditions have been observed as evident from the ERA5 datasets which need to be addressed; likewise, the definition of HW, which is modified by the researchers as per the geographic conditions. It is evident from the ERA5 data that the temperature has increased by 1-2 ?C as compared to the 1980s. There is a threefold increase in the number of heatwave days over most of the continents in the last 40 years. This study will help the researcher community to understand the importance of HW and HI. Furthermore, it opens the scope to develop an equation based on the present scenario keeping in mind the basics of an index as considered by Steadman.
Keywords: Climate change, ERA5, Extreme events, Heat wave, Heat index
Retrospection of heatwave and heat index
Theor Appl Climatol. 2022; 147(1-2): 589-604.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8581126/
Jennifer Marohasy's latest bog has some interesting anecdotes.
One from a friend who who had holidayed in Greece for the last 20 years and claims, "It had never been so cold, he told me. There were one or two days when it was hot, he said. But swimming in the Aegean, it was colder than he ever remembered it."
Moronhasy then goes on to describe her experience growing up in, "remote Northern Territory of Australia where it never snows. I grew up in the tropics under a dark sky jewelled with stars that twinkled so brightly." She the elaborates that there was no air-conditioning or fans and that she, "can't remember anyone ever complaining about it being hot. It just was."
She then switches to discussing the extraordinarily hot conditions in the UK and switches to, you guessed it, Antarctica. Moronhasy then goes on to complain about BoM measuremtn bias, and that June Temperatures in Antarctica and that the temperature series "show no warming or cooling trends." She then goes on to tell us that the "available data is all very boring." Encouragingly she tells us that, "Mawson is one of the longest continuous surface temperature records for this part of the world", but sadly neglects to tell us that the mean August maximum temperatures, 1954-2022 at Mawson, Antarctica show a warming trend of -16.3 to -14.0
Global coolingGlobal warmingClimate change
Now......
Global boiling.....haha
Hysterical
As time goes on more things are politicised. The weather used to be something to discuss when there was nothing else to talk about. Today it's a political issue if it snows in the Snowy Mountains or not.
It's pretty sad.
Select to expand quoteMobydisc said..
As time goes on more things are politicised. The weather used to be something to discuss when there was nothing else to talk about. Today it's a political issue if it snows in the Snowy Mountains or not.
It's pretty sad.
Much like vaccination.
You know someone has total contempt for you when they treat you an idiot.
The latest monologue from the U,N Secretary General fits that description.
To stand and utter such drivel with a straight face and expect the public to swallow it was an exercise in pure malicious disregard for the average person.
Global boiling? P...s off.
What political scientist major working for a Think Tank came up with that one?
You can see how their tiny petty minds work.
Someone was thinking about the boiling frog analogy and hey presto its global boiling. Utter contempt for the public.
^Pretty much like your contempt for science and medicine, despite both serving you so well.
Select to expand quotePcdefender said.. You know someone has total contempt for you when they treat you an idiot. >>>
I'm not sure of this Pete, it's a bit personal for me.
I was recently treated like this by somebody very close to me, who I thought new me better.
It hurt me, but I'm sure there was absolutely no ellement of contempt!
Everyone I meet in real life treats me like an idiot.
I don't think it is contempt.
In fact, I think they are being generous.
Select to expand quotePcdefender said..
You know someone has total contempt for you when they treat you an idiot.
The latest monologue from the U,N Secretary General fits that description.
To stand and utter such drivel with a straight face and expect the public to swallow it was an exercise in pure malicious disregard for the average person.
Global boiling? P...s off.
What political scientist major working for a Think Tank came up with that one?
You can see how their tiny petty minds work.
Someone was thinking about the boiling frog analogy and hey presto its global boiling. Utter contempt for the public.
Tonight on global warming a British Labour MP was saying it was irresponsible to extract oil from the North Sea when we are facing Global Boiling. She said this in the middle of an English summer wearing an overcoat where it was clearly an overcast and cool day.
This afternoon I was listening to ABC radio. They were talking about travel and how travel overseas needs to change. No longer is it acceptable to go for a holiday for a few weeks overseas. Now if you do travel overseas its only acceptable to travel overseas if it is for a few months. In other words the next target of climate change warriors are airports, travel agents and holiday resorts. The host of the radio show read out a few comments. They went along the lines if sea levels rise by five meters as forecast then no one will want to go overseas for beach holiday.
Some people have literally put reason to one side and fully embraced the climate hysteria. It is a religion now with morality, believers and non believers. Believers are willing to only accept facts that support their worldview while any evidence countering their view is ignored and dismissed.
Personally I'm willing to accept sea levels are rising if I see they are rising somewhere I'm familiar with. For example I remember going to a beach at Nambucca Heads when I was a very small child. This would be close to fifty years ago in around 1974 or so. Today this beach is still there. There are rocks behind the beach as its a v wall beach at the right angle of two break walls at the river entrance. If this beach disappeared under the sea I'd be willing to accept sea levels are rising. But it hasn't happened. The sea levels only seem to rise in poor far away places run by corrupt politicians.
Personally, are you willing to accept world hunger if you see hunger somewhere you're familiar with. For example Nambucca Heads?
Select to expand quoteMobydisc said
Tonight on global warming a British Labour MP was saying it was irresponsible to extract oil from the North Sea when we are facing Global Boiling. She said this in the middle of an English summer wearing an overcoat where it was clearly an overcast and cool day.
This afternoon I was listening to ABC radio. They were talking about travel and how travel overseas needs to change. No longer is it acceptable to go for a holiday for a few weeks overseas. Now if you do travel overseas its only acceptable to travel overseas if it is for a few months. In other words the next target of climate change warriors are airports, travel agents and holiday resorts. The host of the radio show read out a few comments. They went along the lines if sea levels rise by five meters as forecast then no one will want to go overseas for beach holiday.
Some people have literally put reason to one side and fully embraced the climate hysteria. It is a religion now with morality, believers and non believers. Believers are willing to only accept facts that support their worldview while any evidence countering their view is ignored and dismissed.
Personally I'm willing to accept sea levels are rising if I see they are rising somewhere I'm familiar with. For example I remember going to a beach at Nambucca Heads when I was a very small child. This would be close to fifty years ago in around 1974 or so. Today this beach is still there. There are rocks behind the beach as its a v wall beach at the right angle of two break walls at the river entrance. If this beach disappeared under the sea I'd be willing to accept sea levels are rising. But it hasn't happened. The sea levels only seem to rise in poor far away places run by corrupt politicians.
"Don't shoot, I am alone," a husband pleads with his wife after she catches him in bed with two naked women."But I can see two women," she objects.
"Don't believe what you see," he instructs her. "Believe what I tell you.
"The wife shoots her husband in this scene from the 2002 movie musical "Chicago".
But the show is dedicated to the cynical premise that the public is not so astute.
Select to expand quoteremery said..
Jennifer Marohasy's latest bog has some interesting anecdotes.
One from a friend who who had holidayed in Greece for the last 20 years and claims, "It had never been so cold, he told me. There were one or two days when it was hot, he said. But swimming in the Aegean, it was colder than he ever remembered it."
Moronhasy then goes on to describe her experience growing up in, "remote Northern Territory of Australia where it never snows. I grew up in the tropics under a dark sky jewelled with stars that twinkled so brightly." She the elaborates that there was no air-conditioning or fans and that she, "can't remember anyone ever complaining about it being hot. It just was."
She then switches to discussing the extraordinarily hot conditions in the UK and switches to, you guessed it, Antarctica. Moronhasy then goes on to complain about BoM measuremtn bias, and that June Temperatures in Antarctica and that the temperature series "show no warming or cooling trends." She then goes on to tell us that the "available data is all very boring." Encouragingly she tells us that, "Mawson is one of the longest continuous surface temperature records for this part of the world", but sadly neglects to tell us that the mean August maximum temperatures, 1954-2022 at Mawson, Antarctica show a warming trend of -16.3 to -14.0
Anecdotes in a bog can be expected to be ****e, JM certainly delivers but not sure why anyone is interested in what she produces in the boghouse. Copraphiles exempted of course.
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Personally, are you willing to accept world hunger if you see hunger somewhere you're familiar with. For example Nambucca Heads?
I think you've missed his point. He's not saying he doesn't care about other people. He's presuming that if the ocean rises in one place, then it should rise everywhere and he should be able to observe it locally.
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Personally, are you willing to accept world hunger if you see hunger somewhere you're familiar with. For example Nambucca Heads?
I'd guess it depends what you mean by "world hunger" ?
At face value one might assume it means that everyone in the world is hungry.
In which case if we then find out that nobody in Nambucca Heads is hungry, then yep.... seems fair to not believe that 'everyone' in the world is hungry.
But if "world hunger" is some sort of hyperbolic catchphrase that is primarily designed to deliver a socio-political response rather than something that has a clear and accurate meaning, where some people might chose to identify as hungry but most people aren't, then yep, a single sample from one small town is neither proof one way or the other of such a claim.
Ok, so did a bit of research.
From the CSIRO site
www.cmar.csiro.au/sealevel/sl_hist_intro.html#fewthousand
Historical sea level CHANGES Long term
The last 140,000 years
The last few thousand years
Introduction
A very brief history of sea level: Over the last 140,000 years sea level has varied over a range of more than 120 metres.
The most recent large change was an increase of more than 120 metres as the last ice age ended Sea level stabilised over the last few thousand years, and there was little change between about 1AD and 1800AD
Sea level began to rise again in the 19th century and accelerated again in the early 20th century Satellite altimeter measurements show a rate of sea-level rise of about 3 mm/year since the early 1990s - a further increase in the rate
The last 140,000 years
Sea level varied by over 100 metres during glacial-interglacial cycles as the major ice sheets waxed and waned as a result of changes in summer solar radiation in high northern hemisphere latitudes. Paleo data from corals indicate that sea level was 4 to 6 m (or more) above present day sea levels during the last interglacial period, about 125 000 years ago.
Global sea level rises (if you are interested)
www.cmar.csiro.au/sealevel/sl_hist_last_decades.html
I also went and downloaded the monthly average tides (min, max and mean) for Fremantle Western Australia from 1900 to present
www.bom.gov.au/ntc/IDO70000/IDO70000_62230_SLD.shtml
Monthly averages converted to Annual averages with a pivot table
So for Fremantle in the last 122 years the sea level height has increased
Low Tide +255mm
High Tide +394mm
Average level +345mm
Difference between 1900 a 2022
Hillaries data from what I've read elsewhere has greater increases.
From my own perspective in Sunny Dawesville, we have quite a few trees laying down in the estuary now and the shoreline is getting closer to the path and road.
Select to expand quoteHarrow said..
I think you've missed his point. He's not saying he doesn't care about other people. He's presuming that if the ocean rises in one place, then it should rise everywhere and he should be able to observe it locally.
"Sea level rise is uneven, the two main reasons being ocean dynamics and Earth's uneven gravity field."
sealevel.nasa.gov/faq/9/are-sea-levels-rising-the-same-all-over-the-world-as-if-were-filling-a-giant-bathtub/#:~:text=No.,%2C%20heating%2C%20evaporation%20and%20precipitation.
Select to expand quoteremery said..
"Sea level rise is uneven, the two main reasons being ocean dynamics and Earth's uneven gravity field."
sealevel.nasa.gov/faq/9/are-sea-levels-rising-the-same-all-over-the-world-as-if-were-filling-a-giant-bathtub/#:~:text=No.,%2C%20heating%2C%20evaporation%20and%20precipitation.
I didn't say it wasn't. I'm just saying your criticism of him was unfounded as you missed his point, whether he was correct or not.
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For the last 2 months it seems Perth has been freezing.
May and June have average max temperatures of 22.3 and 19.5 yet nearly every day it seems the max has been around 17C.
No let up in sight for the next week also.
Global Warming it seems also causes significant cooling.
I just thought I would give Pete the heads up that when BoM updates the monthly averages, July will be about 0.1 degrees warmer than average.
Perth Airport climate average maximum for July 18.0 degrees. Average last month 18.7 degrees.
So in spite of Pcdefender's recent claim that, "For the last 2 months it seems Perth has been freezing. ... Global Warming it seems also causes significant cooling", two out of the last three months have been warmer than average.
But as we all know, Weather and Climate are not the same. We all know that right?
Select to expand quoteMobydisc said..
Tonight on global warming a British Labour MP was saying it was irresponsible to extract oil from the North Sea when we are facing Global Boiling. She said this in the middle of an English summer wearing an overcoat where it was clearly an overcast and cool day.
This afternoon I was listening to ABC radio. They were talking about travel and how travel overseas needs to change. No longer is it acceptable to go for a holiday for a few weeks overseas. Now if you do travel overseas its only acceptable to travel overseas if it is for a few months. In other words the next target of climate change warriors are airports, travel agents and holiday resorts. The host of the radio show read out a few comments. They went along the lines if sea levels rise by five meters as forecast then no one will want to go overseas for beach holiday.
Some people have literally put reason to one side and fully embraced the climate hysteria. It is a religion now with morality, believers and non believers. Believers are willing to only accept facts that support their worldview while any evidence countering their view is ignored and dismissed.
Personally I'm willing to accept sea levels are rising if I see they are rising somewhere I'm familiar with. For example I remember going to a beach at Nambucca Heads when I was a very small child. This would be close to fifty years ago in around 1974 or so. Today this beach is still there. There are rocks behind the beach as its a v wall beach at the right angle of two break walls at the river entrance. If this beach disappeared under the sea I'd be willing to accept sea levels are rising. But it hasn't happened. The sea levels only seem to rise in poor far away places run by corrupt politicians.
remery.....you do so want to believe their data that carbon dioxide and other gases are causing the sea to rise.
Did you bother to take the time to read Mobydiscs above post?
He nailed it period.
There has been no observable increase in sea level and until there is - THEIR data is just a theory.
And a very, very far one at that.
Select to expand quotePcdefender said..Mobydisc said..
Tonight on global warming a British Labour MP was saying it was irresponsible to extract oil from the North Sea when we are facing Global Boiling. She said this in the middle of an English summer wearing an overcoat where it was clearly an overcast and cool day.
This afternoon I was listening to ABC radio. They were talking about travel and how travel overseas needs to change. No longer is it acceptable to go for a holiday for a few weeks overseas. Now if you do travel overseas its only acceptable to travel overseas if it is for a few months. In other words the next target of climate change warriors are airports, travel agents and holiday resorts. The host of the radio show read out a few comments. They went along the lines if sea levels rise by five meters as forecast then no one will want to go overseas for beach holiday.
Some people have literally put reason to one side and fully embraced the climate hysteria. It is a religion now with morality, believers and non believers. Believers are willing to only accept facts that support their worldview while any evidence countering their view is ignored and dismissed.
Personally I'm willing to accept sea levels are rising if I see they are rising somewhere I'm familiar with. For example I remember going to a beach at Nambucca Heads when I was a very small child. This would be close to fifty years ago in around 1974 or so. Today this beach is still there. There are rocks behind the beach as its a v wall beach at the right angle of two break walls at the river entrance. If this beach disappeared under the sea I'd be willing to accept sea levels are rising. But it hasn't happened. The sea levels only seem to rise in poor far away places run by corrupt politicians.
remery.....you do so want to believe their data that carbon dioxide and other gases are causing the sea to rise.
Did you bother to take the time to read Mobydiscs above post?
He nailed it period.
There has been no observable increase in sea level and until there is - THEIR data is just a theory.
And a very, very far one at that.
Keep toeing the oil companies line PCD
Select to expand quotePcdefender said..
remery.....you do so want to believe their data that carbon dioxide and other gases are causing the sea to rise.
Did you bother to take the time to read Mobydiscs above post?
He nailed it period.
There has been no observable increase in sea level and until there is - THEIR data is just a theory.
And a very, very far one at that.
Seal level at Coffs Harbour since 1998. Looks to be rising to me.
psmsl.org/data/obtaining/stations/2311.php
Select to expand quoteremery said..
Perth Airport climate average maximum for July 18.0 degrees. Average last month 18.7 degrees.
Perth Airport in 2025
Perth Airport in 2005
Perth airport in pre-industrial baseline average :
Select to expand quotePcdefender said..Mobydisc said..
Tonight on global warming a British Labour MP was saying it was irresponsible to extract oil from the North Sea when we are facing Global Boiling. She said this in the middle of an English summer wearing an overcoat where it was clearly an overcast and cool day.
This afternoon I was listening to ABC radio. They were talking about travel and how travel overseas needs to change. No longer is it acceptable to go for a holiday for a few weeks overseas. Now if you do travel overseas its only acceptable to travel overseas if it is for a few months. In other words the next target of climate change warriors are airports, travel agents and holiday resorts. The host of the radio show read out a few comments. They went along the lines if sea levels rise by five meters as forecast then no one will want to go overseas for beach holiday.
Some people have literally put reason to one side and fully embraced the climate hysteria. It is a religion now with morality, believers and non believers. Believers are willing to only accept facts that support their worldview while any evidence countering their view is ignored and dismissed.
Personally I'm willing to accept sea levels are rising if I see they are rising somewhere I'm familiar with. For example I remember going to a beach at Nambucca Heads when I was a very small child. This would be close to fifty years ago in around 1974 or so. Today this beach is still there. There are rocks behind the beach as its a v wall beach at the right angle of two break walls at the river entrance. If this beach disappeared under the sea I'd be willing to accept sea levels are rising. But it hasn't happened. The sea levels only seem to rise in poor far away places run by corrupt politicians.
remery.....you do so want to believe their data that carbon dioxide and other gases are causing the sea to rise.
Did you bother to take the time to read Mobydiscs above post?
He nailed it period.
There has been no observable increase in sea level and until there is - THEIR data is just a theory.
And a very, very far one at that.
I like this. Your premise implies observations with one's own senses mandate the reality for all. I've never seen a God, therefore no Gods exist.
Settled.
Select to expand quoteBrent in Qld said..
I like this. Your premise implies observations with one's own senses mandate the reality for all. I've never seen a God, therefore no Gods exist.
I've never seen the wind.....
Select to expand quoteremery said..
Seal level at Coffs Harbour since 1998. Looks to be rising to me.
I have an empirical observation I have made over a few decades that surely settles this issue without further debate.....
As the Carantoc has got older there has always remained plenty of fish in the sea (so to say, eh! eh!, know what I mean..)...
But...... they do seem to be getting a lot further apart.....
The only conclusion can be that the sea is getting bigger.
